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Toyota Out?

Breakfast BBC news reporting that Toyota may pull put of F1 today

An announcement expected around 8am
Clunes

Confirmed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/mobi...torsport/formula_one/8341602.stm?
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

And they never got that first win, either. Bad luck for Kobayashi: I hope someone snaps him up.
Humphrey The Pug

Well at least that leaves a space for Sauber.
Big TC

I took this news with some sadness, as I really thought that in time, Toyota would turn into a team capable of winning GPs regularly. It seems that Japanese firms just aren't able to run a GP team in the best way for it to succeed.

And I was only telling Amanda at the weekend that there may well be 28 cars on the grid next year...

(My hat's safe - I did state that I'd eat it if there were 14 teams on the grid next year)
Eff One

Sad news, but not entirely surprising. Given that they have a confirmed slot on the grid next year and a massive factory in Cologne, I wonder if anyone will take the team on?

I think all three drivers have a fairly strong chance of being in F1 next year. Glock looks like joining Kubica at Renault, Trulli to Lotus - and you'd be mad not to consider Kobayashi.
Pkh72

Can't say i'm too fussed about Toyota going TBH, the most they seemed to achieve was Trulli holding up a third of the field on a regular basis.

The length of time they were around and their apparent budget should have brought much more.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

This was buried in the text of the Autosport article:

Quote:
Renault is also holding an extraordinary board meeting to discuss its future plans today. Although the indications are that the French company is committed to F1, Toyota's decision to pull out could give Renault an opportunity to follow suit if it wished.
Big Blue

Big TC wrote:
I took this news with some sadness, as I really thought that in time, Toyota would turn into a team capable of winning GPs regularly. It seems that Japanese firms just aren't able to run a GP team in the best way for it to succeed.


Witness the Brawn / Honda scenario. F1 is about being light on your feet and adaptive. Japanese management strategies err on the side of caution and aim at perfection in the marketplace. They also have a culture of deference so some young, ideas man would struggle to make a corporate old-boy take a risk.

I reckon anyone that took on the Toyota set-up as an independant would win a race in the first half of next season.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Big Blue wrote:
I reckon anyone that took on the Toyota set-up as an independant would win a race in the first half of next season.

Pat Symonds, for example?
Big Blue

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I reckon anyone that took on the Toyota set-up as an independant would win a race in the first half of next season.

Pat Symonds, for example?


I always hoped Trevor Carlin would make the step
TimR

Maybe Flav will get a chance
Big TC

Big Blue wrote:
Big TC wrote:
I took this news with some sadness, as I really thought that in time, Toyota would turn into a team capable of winning GPs regularly. It seems that Japanese firms just aren't able to run a GP team in the best way for it to succeed.


Witness the Brawn / Honda scenario. F1 is about being light on your feet and adaptive. Japanese management strategies err on the side of caution and aim at perfection in the marketplace. They also have a culture of deference so some young, ideas man would struggle to make a corporate old-boy take a risk.

I reckon anyone that took on the Toyota set-up as an independant would win a race in the first half of next season.


I totally agree with that assessment.
TimR

Is there any indication of how much/any work Toyota have done for next year's car?
PG

Toyota signed the new agreement that ran until 2012. so if they don't find somebody to take on the team, Bernie will see them in court.
Humphrey The Pug

PG wrote:
Toyota signed the new agreement that ran until 2012. so if they don't find somebody to take on the team, Bernie will see them in court.


Still cheaper that £250 million though I should imagine.
DaveGibson

It's usually said that the employment laws in this country make it easier to hire or fire employees than in other European countries. Bearing in mind that Ross Brawn convinced Honda that it would be cheaper to fund him for a year, than to sack all of the Honda Racing employees, I wonder what the financial implications are for Toyota with their team located in Germany.
the other ct

Ferrari's bizarre reaction

Quote:
The piece (on the Ferrari website) also made a cryptic comparison between F1's situation and an Agatha Christie mystery novel, and urged the sport to take action against those responsible for the pull-outs.

"It seems like a parody of Agatha Christie's 'Ten Little Indians', published in England for the first time in the year 1939, but reality is much more serious.

"In Christie's detective novel the guilty person is only discovered when everybody else is dead, one after the other. Do we want to wait until this happens or should we write Formula 1's book with a different closing chapter?"


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80013

   
Chris M Wants a V-10

Reading the latest updates, the FIA is looking at the legal implications as Toyota signed up to the Concorde agreement through to 2012.  Typical FIA I suppose, don't face up to reality, just look at the Law.  Come on Monsieur Todt, get your house in order (is it a house or a sinking ship?)
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Chris M Wants a V-10 wrote:
Reading the latest updates, the FIA is looking at the legal implications as Toyota signed up to the Concorde agreement through to 2012.  Typical FIA I suppose, don't face up to reality, just look at the Law.  Come on Monsieur Todt, get your house in order (is it a house or a sinking ship?)

Sorry, but I can't see what's wrong with what the FiA is saying. If Toyota signed the Concorde Agreement, that comes with obligations, like any other contract.
Mike Amos

" Come on Monsieur Todt, get your house in order (is it a house or a sinking ship?)"

If it was not aground on a reef of champaign bottles (empty), it would have sunk years ago.  The last few years are merely a footnote comment on how NOT to run a business, let alone a championship.

That mosely chap and his pet monkee's should be ashamed of themselves.  I really cannot see JT doing any better, coming as he does with the last presidents approval.  I do hope I am wrong in this assesment.
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