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Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Three Men in a Tent

Anyone read the Sunday Times' features on Clarkson, Hammond and May's new show? Lots of money and lots of explosions, apparently. Can't make up my mind whether it'll be great or crap, and if there's going to be anyone to say "actually, that's a bit shit, to be honest".
Bob Sacamano

I think there'll be plenty of people who will be determined to call it crap whatever, in the same way there were those who had written off Top Gear with Chris Evans before it was even broadcast.
Nice Guy Eddie

What is Clarkson's fascination with blowing up everything in site. If he wasn't so successful would he just be a scummy arsonist from Doncaster.
Big Blue

It will be puerile childish horse-arse with some cars. Like marmite there will be no middle ground in the reviews.
BeN

There will always be people who like their nonsensical antics, just like there will be those who detest them equally.

For me I just can't be bothered. I just wish people would stop waxing lyrical about them as a 'car show' like it's the greatest thing to happen in the automotive world. They've ceased to become a 'car show' a long time ago in my eyes.
Michael

Re: Three Men in a Tent

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Can't make up my mind whether it'll be great or crap


You won't know until you watch it.
Bob Sacamano

I think taking it away from just being a car show is what made it successful.

Given the money and the opportunity I'm not sure I would ever tire of blowing stuff up.
Big Blue

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I think taking it away from just being a car show is what made it successful.


Somewhat! It made women and girls watch it; something Wooly Woolard and Chris Goffey singularly failed at. It's still the most successful factual show on the planet and probably won't be usurped for some time.
Nice Guy Eddie

Not until the remake of Baywatch hits our screens. You know, the factual lifeguard documentary.
Twelfth Monkey

It certainly looks as rubbish from the trailer as they've always been.  I'm really looking forward to it.
Clunes

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
It certainly looks as rubbish from the trailer as they've always been.  I'm really looking forward to it.


Pretty much sums up my thoughts :)
Bob Sacamano

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
It certainly looks as rubbish from the trailer as they've always been.  I'm really looking forward to it.


I agree. It was 30 seconds of high speed, drifting, smoke, burnouts, automotive exotica, stunning locations and high production values, all delivered in 4K Ultra HD.

Shite.
Grampa

Big Blue wrote:
It will be puerile childish horse-arse with some cars. Like marmite there will be no middle ground in the reviews.


That's how I feel about it and how it looks to be shaping up - but I would give it a chance if I didn't have to pay anything extra to watch it, but as I don't have nor do I intended to get, Amazon Prime, I don't suppose I'll see it unless it eventually makes its way to Dave or Turbo or some such channel.

I thought Top Gear was getting there and wish it had been given a better chance - IMO it's downfall was trying to carry on from where the tired old show had left off.
Big Blue

Yeah I reckon it'll be bollocks. I certainly won't watch it and will probably cancel my Prime membership in protest.
boc70

Big Blue wrote:
It will be puerile childish horse-arse with some cars. Like marmite there will be no middle ground in the reviews.


Appropriately more expensive these days as well.
PG

The best bits of the old top Gear were where the three of them just bantered on - like the news each week. So hopefully more of that to come.
Roadsterstu

Big Blue wrote:
It will be puerile childish horse-arse with some cars.


This is exactly what I hope and expect that it will be. Really must sort out an Amazon subscription.
simonp

As long as it doesn't have SIARPC I'll be happy enough.
PhilD

Martin, please start a thread about a new car. I'd rather talk about that for 6 pages than another discussion on Top Gear...


Twelfth Monkey

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
It certainly looks as rubbish from the trailer as they've always been.  I'm really looking forward to it.


I agree. It was 30 seconds of high speed, drifting, smoke, burnouts, automotive exotica, stunning locations and high production values, all delivered in 4K Ultra HD.

Shite.


For once, I wasn't being sarky...
Frank Bullitt

PhilD wrote:
Martin, please start a thread about a new car. I'd rather talk about that for 6 pages than another discussion on Top Gear...




+1
Martin

I'd love to help, but I can only do that when I'm seriously looking!

For what it's worth, I'm looking forward to the new series.
BeN

They will be successful for the same reasons why movies like Die Hard and Transformers are successful - cheap mindless entertainment.

The trio are good for some laughs but that is all.
Bob Sacamano

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
It certainly looks as rubbish from the trailer as they've always been.  I'm really looking forward to it.


I agree. It was 30 seconds of high speed, drifting, smoke, burnouts, automotive exotica, stunning locations and high production values, all delivered in 4K Ultra HD.

Shite.


For once, I wasn't being sarky...


I know!
Blarno

I don't have Amazon Prime, nor do I intend to have it, but I will find a way of watching it.

Bunch of blokes, acting like dicks and blowing stuff up - my ideal job.
cbeaks1

BeN wrote:
They will be successful for the same reasons why movies like Die Hard and Transformers are successful - cheap mindless entertainment.

The trio are good for some laughs but that is all.


Did you really put Transformers and Die Hard in the same bracket?

The most recent one (4?) was pretty bad, but DH 1 in particular was excellent.
Andy C

I'm looking forward to it too

I haven't got amazon prime , but do have a smart tv. Do I just pay to watch it through an app ?
Racing Teatray

I am not making any prejudgements as to whether it will be good or not. But as someone who doesn't watch nearly enough TV to ever merit paying for it, I am certainly not going to bother acquiring Amazon Prime simply in order to find out, so I guess I'll simply have to give it a miss.
Twelfth Monkey

I only acquired Prime for this, but confess that having everything (let's qualify that - everything which is Prime and in stock) delivered the next day is nicer than I would have thought.  Delusional or not, I'm viewing it as paying for the deliveries and getting the TV for nothing.  Not that I've watched any yet - must have a shufty.

Ben, I think you entirely miss the point about TG's success if you think the Transformers comment is in any way sensible.  The appeal (for those of us who enjoyed it, at any rate) was that it was like listening to three mates talking cobblers at the pub.  And whilst you might not have wanted them coming round to your house afterwards (well, May excepted), they still felt like friends.  To miss that is to fail completely to see why it was a success.
Martin

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I only acquired Prime for this, but confess that having everything (let's qualify that - everything which is Prime and in stock) delivered the next day is nicer than I would have thought.  Delusional or not, I'm viewing it as paying for the deliveries and getting the TV for nothing.  Not that I've watched any yet - must have a shufty.


I'm the same.  I've not watched any of the TV/Films or used the music service, but I've had a fair amount delivered for free in the evening and also use it to order stuff for my parents.  I think it's worth the annual cost just for the delivery service.
Twelfth Monkey

D'oh.  I'd forgotten it saves on delivery costs.  I think the net cost overall is going to amount to very little.
Bob Sacamano

I got Prime a few weeks ago so we could watch Top Gear and in the meantime we've watched some good TV - a lot of it in 4K, which is stunning.
Giant

I very very rarely buy anything from amazon, so the delivery savings aren't relevant, but there are a few series exclusively on amazon that I want to see, so will subscribe for a couple of months when Top Gear is released. The price of Netflix and Amazon TV is very reasonable, £8 for 4K, multiscreen Netflix is a bargain compared to the ridiculous charges of Sky.
Like many others ( I suspect), I don't like paying for tv content, but these providers have priced it at a level that I do so.
Giant

Grampa wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
It will be puerile childish horse-arse with some cars. Like marmite there will be no middle ground in the reviews.


That's how I feel about it and how it looks to be shaping up - but I would give it a chance if I didn't have to pay anything extra to watch it, but as I don't have nor do I intended to get, Amazon Prime, I don't suppose I'll see it unless it eventually makes its way to Dave or Turbo or some such channel.

I thought Top Gear was getting there and wish it had been given a better chance - IMO it's downfall was trying to carry on from where the tired old show had left off.


Prime usually offer a 30 day free trial, wait for top gear to be released and take the free trial, then cancel. No need to cut your nose off to spite your face.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I got Prime a few weeks ago so we could watch Top Gear and in the meantime we've watched some good TV - a lot of it in 4K, which is stunning.


Have you got a super swanky TV Bob?
Bob Sacamano

Giant wrote:
Grampa wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
It will be puerile childish horse-arse with some cars. Like marmite there will be no middle ground in the reviews.


That's how I feel about it and how it looks to be shaping up - but I would give it a chance if I didn't have to pay anything extra to watch it, but as I don't have nor do I intended to get, Amazon Prime, I don't suppose I'll see it unless it eventually makes its way to Dave or Turbo or some such channel.

I thought Top Gear was getting there and wish it had been given a better chance - IMO it's downfall was trying to carry on from where the tired old show had left off.


Prime usually offer a 30 day free trial, wait for top gear to be released and take the free trial, then cancel. No need to cut your nose off to spite your face.


Yes, you have to wait until Top Gear has premiered and the first 8 episodes have aired - so about the middle of January 2017. Then you take the 30 day free trial, watch those earlier episodes on catch up and watch the last 4 episodes as they air. Once you've seen the last one you can then cancel within your free trial period.
Michael

I don't have prime (or SKY for that matter, having never paid extra for TV) as our rural broadband is so feeble it would be quicker to wait for it to be repeated on Dave.
Bob Sacamano

PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I got Prime a few weeks ago so we could watch Top Gear and in the meantime we've watched some good TV - a lot of it in 4K, which is stunning.


Have you got a super swanky TV Bob?


Not really, but we bought a new Sony last year and the 4K picture looked so good it seemed daft not to upgrade to it.
TreVoR

I am really looking forward to this.  The only bit I really disliked about TG was the star in the reasonably priced car.
Tim

I presume they'll stick with their tried and tested formula and change nothing so it'll be Top Gear by another name.
Bob Sacamano

Tim wrote:
I presume they'll stick with their tried and tested formula and change nothing so it'll be Top Gear by another name.


Apparently not. Clarkson was interviewed and he was saying they're paranoid that they're going to be sued by the BBC if there are any similarities to Top Gear. Amazon's lawyers are all over it to the point that there was a legal question of whether or not May could say the word "cock" or was that too Top Gear.

To answer the question; "cock" has been cleared for use.
PG

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
The appeal (for those of us who enjoyed it, at any rate) was that it was like listening to three mates talking cobblers at the pub.  And whilst you might not have wanted them coming round to your house afterwards (well, May excepted), they still felt like friends.  To miss that is to fail completely to see why it was a success.


+1

I got a Prime membership a couple of months ago. Delivery savings are good.
Big Blue

We're into the second year of Prime membership. Used the music, watched movies, have loads of stuff delivered. Can't live without it. It's a great product and makes my BBC license fee look like the shite value it is.
BeN

Twelfth Monkey wrote:

Ben, I think you entirely miss the point about TG's success if you think the Transformers comment is in any way sensible.  The appeal (for those of us who enjoyed it, at any rate) was that it was like listening to three mates talking cobblers at the pub.  And whilst you might not have wanted them coming round to your house afterwards (well, May excepted), they still felt like friends.  To miss that is to fail completely to see why it was a success.


No, no, I get that. I will admit the three of them can be funny in a juvenile way, and if they do a comedy show I probably will enjoy it (I did like the news segment on TG when they were just bantering). But like I said it has deviated way too far from being a car show and I just wish people will see that rather than putting them on the automotive pedestal like it's the greatest thing in the car world.
Nice Guy Eddie

Big Blue wrote:
We're into the second year of Prime membership. Used the music, watched movies, have loads of stuff delivered. Can't live without it. It's a great product and makes my BBC license fee look like the shite value it is.


Whats the music like compared to spotify?

I use nothing but Spotify for my music now so if its comparable it'll save me the subscription I give them.
Racing Teatray

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Tim wrote:
I presume they'll stick with their tried and tested formula and change nothing so it'll be Top Gear by another name.


Apparently not. Clarkson was interviewed and he was saying they're paranoid that they're going to be sued by the BBC if there are any similarities to Top Gear. Amazon's lawyers are all over it to the point that there was a legal question of whether or not May could say the word "cock" or was that too Top Gear.

To answer the question; "cock" has been cleared for use.


I would love to have been at that lawyers' meeting.
Big Blue

No idea what Spotify is. My iPhone does as it just capitalised it.
TreVoR

Currently watching the first episode while I am waiting for a delivery. Been up since 5am as the delivery is in Darlington and I was bored.  It's quite good.
Twelfth Monkey

Good stuff.  Probably won't watch until Sunday when we're all here.
simonp

I read they were putting them on at 7:30. Didn't realise it was 7:30am!
Big Blue

They become available from midnight GMT Friday hence every journo on the planet had copy delivered  by 0130 GMT this morning. Watched it this evening, turning off Children in Need as soon as that utter cunt Ricky Gervais appeared.

It's Top Gear as was. Without SIARPC thank god. Cinematography is utterly fucking stunning. The American audience were all dipshits.
simonp

So the format is still the same? Is that allowed?

I guess lawyers have been consulted...
Rodge

It was live in the US on Thursday night.
I checked it out and ended up watching it.
Very similar format but some stunning photography, some decent cars too. Wondering if it was the TG - I mean GT team who were dissing Ferrari so much or if Ferrari really have become so anal about their cars that they won't allow anything to be measured.

I like that 918 though.
franki68

Half way through it ,but having a break to walk the dogs.
Very good so far.
simonp

I tried watching it on my iPad last night, but the sound was breaking up constantly. Got annoyed and turned it off. Will try it again on the TV tonight. Who was (were?) the band at the beginning? Sounded a bit like the Hothouse Flowers!
TreVoR

It was the Hothouse Flowers.
Roadsterstu

Just watched it. It was fantastic. Great opening. Clearly a big budget. Hope the rest of the series is up to that standard.

Only minor gripe - the language was bit sweary for watching with a 7 year old. I'd better not hear some of the words repeated, I told Evan!

Bring on the next one!
gooner

It seems they also thought it was about time to drop SIARPC so it was good to see them do so in a more humorous manner than just pretending it was never a thing.
Frank Bullitt

Roadsterstu wrote:
Only minor gripe - the language was bit sweary for watching with a 7 year old. I'd better not hear some of the words repeated, I told Evan!


The language was very poor, it's just not necessary and can easily be edited (and I don't mean seeing either Hammond or Clarkson clearly mouth 'fuck' with a beep over it as being good enough), all the driving and cinematography was enjoyable but the 'twatery' in the studio is as embarrassing as always - the 'Best Air Force' bit was shitter than shit with a shit topping, for example.

I'll watch it, half of it will annoy me and the other half won't.

Amazon's rules on advertising made me chuckle, why they blanked out the MAN badge on the truck is utterly beyond me.
simonp

I got as far as JC saying that was the Hothouse Flowers before nodding off on my second attempt!
Bob Sacamano

I must admit I didn't notice any bad language, maybe I'll have to watch it again.

I thought it started brilliantly but flagged a bit in the middle during the parts inside the tent (Carol Vorderman??) To be honest they should have edited a lot of that out but I guess they have to justify the expense of carting it around and setting it up in different locations.

Anyway, good first episode, very Top Gear, but none the worse for that. I'm not sure the BBC will be losing much sleep though.
gonnabuildabuggy

Saw it Friday night.

Excellent.

Will be even better on a bigger TV.
Twelfth Monkey

Enjoyed it - same strengths and weaknesses as TG proper, basically.
Humphrey The Pug

Got a colleagues Amazon log in and watched this yesterday.

In 4k so straightaway a bonus, great visuals, the three of them at their best, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Frank Bullitt

I paused the TV when the 918 was powersliding round a corner, when I came back to it my thought was 'oooh, 4K and superb camera work is something to behold'!

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I must admit I didn't notice any bad language, maybe I'll have to watch it again.


As I mentioned, a few too many bleeped-out 'fucks' which are easy for anyone to spot*, I think the American chap driving the M2 says 'Arse' at one point and there are a few too many 'Bloody Hell' and 'Bloody...whatevers'; the last two are on the edge with a 7 year old watching, the others simply too much.

*FB junior fessed-up a while back that he was told off at school for saying 'fuck' - he had heard it in the playground, didn't realise what it meant and repeated it in dinner and was overheard by one of the dinner lady's; it's a difficult line but the school were very good at explaining it is not an acceptable word even though people use it, watching The Ape and Hamster both mouth it (in stunning 4K) kinda undoes a lot of that, especially as it was unnecessary and it should be a family show (of sorts) - the content is fine, but the unnecessary language is not. On TG the presenters had some other terms they used which any adult could see what they were getting at, the Amazon rules are sadly too relaxed.

For the same reason I was keen for him to watch 'Chris Hoy at 200mph' which he would love and I think he would really get something out of but decided to try it myself first as it was on at 9pm; I'm glad I did, the potty-mouth on the team manager (who ought to be advised that every second word being 'fuck', 'fucking' or 'fucker' somewhat detracts from the gravitas attempted to be given) and C4's relaxed approach to editing mean he won't get to see it which is a shame.
Scouse

If that opening 5 mins didn't have you grinning like a school boy, you're probably dead.
gooner

Agree on the swearing, perhaps it's because it was pre watershed on the BBC before whereas now you can watch it whenever you like, but it was noticeable and I did wonder if those of you with kids watching it would be slightly nonplussed. My two girls aren't at all interested in GT sadly. They seem to be more interested in binging on Harry Potter movies!
PG

Watched it yesterday. Fantastic cinematography, good cars, thoroughly enjoyed it. Bring on the rest of the series.

Yes, some of the studio stuff was a bit lame, but I'm thinking that was not helped because Amazon had clearly mandated that the first episode had to be set in the US.  If it had been in the UK, I think the banter would have been a lot more natural.

Amazon had also, it seems , mandated that the race driver had to be American too. So maybe them choosing some arsehole NASCAR driver, an unknown outside of NASCAR, was the team already having a dig back at their employers?
Scouse

Was I the only one surprised to see Richard Porter's name in the credits? After all he hardly spared Clarkson in his book.
Martin

He's the main writer, apparently Clarkson broke the ice

http://jamesmayboard.proboards.co...ard-porter-explains-clarkson-more
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
He's the main writer, apparently Clarkson broke the ice

http://jamesmayboard.proboards.co...ard-porter-explains-clarkson-more


Explains a lot. Had the humour of the old TG and it felt re-invigorated.

Even better cinematography (I suspect I won't be the only person buying a new TV this week) and as was said by Scouse amazing opening sequence.
Twelfth Monkey

I loved the Ebola-drome!
Big Blue

Martin wrote:
He's the main writer, apparently Clarkson broke the ice

http://jamesmayboard.proboards.co...ard-porter-explains-clarkson-more


Yeah I knew this as it's fucked Sniff Petrol up royally.
simonp

I'm gonna have to declare it as dull, as I haven't been able to make it through the whole thing without falling asleep yet. I don't mind the other two so much, but Clarkson is just a giant smug cunt. He probably always has been, but seems worse now he's getting paid grillions by Amazon. That shite about them knocking his house down; he was already planning on doing that anyway to build a new mansion on the same spot, so the race results were probably fixed and I seem to recall him saying he'd change his name to Jennifer if the Porsche was faster...
Martin

It did sound/feel like a setup when he said it.

Spoiler alert.....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celeb...ers-neighbours-destroying-8798453
Nice Guy Eddie

I want to hate that new house but I rather like it. Unimaginative but I what would you expect in that area.
Blarno

Watched it, loved it, didn't give a shit about the swearing. It's the internet and censorship is less prevalent.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Horribly disappointing, IMHO. I'd enjoyed their last (curtailed) TG series, but this was so bad I stopped watching after half an hour. Just glad I didn't pay for a subscription. Five minutes of watching them walk through cheering crowds tells me their egos have gone beyond any semblance of control. And script editor Porter hasn't had an original idea since about 2002.
gonnabuildabuggy

From the mirror article

"Villagers in nearby Chadlington said Clarkson and his team were in the area filming for his new Amazon TV show The Grant Tour this week."

If anything is further away from living on Grants it's the Grand Tour
Giant

Martin wrote:
He's the main writer, apparently Clarkson broke the ice

http://jamesmayboard.proboards.co...ard-porter-explains-clarkson-more


Are you a member of a James May Fan Forum?!..
Martin

Giant wrote:
Martin wrote:
He's the main writer, apparently Clarkson broke the ice

http://jamesmayboard.proboards.co...ard-porter-explains-clarkson-more


Are you a member of a James May Fan Forum?!..




No, just found it via a Google search.
Bob Sacamano

I suppose another criticism of it was that the test of the Porsche, Ferrari and McLaren was done a year ago by Chris Harris using exactly the same cars at the same track so we kind of knew what the outcome would be.

https://youtu.be/q3YPTkBRaOk
Blarno

I was disappointed the Regera wasn't invited to the hypercar party.
simonp

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I suppose another criticism of it was that the test of the Porsche, Ferrari and McLaren was done a year ago by Chris Harris using exactly the same cars at the same track so we kind of knew what the outcome would be.

https://youtu.be/q3YPTkBRaOk


Probably why I nodded off...
Bryan M

I thought the piece on the Vulcan was great, but the Audi S8 bit stretched the joke way too long!
Blarno

I tried watching it but had sound issues - I could only hear the audience and nothing else.
TreVoR

Last episode was a bit meh apart from the Aston bit.
simonp

I won't be bothering. It's like watching the news from 6 months ago.
Twelfth Monkey

It's just Top Gear as was but without SIARPC.  We either liked (and therefore still like) it, or the reverse.
PG

I see the second episode has ended the honeymoon for some. I still enjoyed it. Yes, the VIP rescue went on too long, but as least they paid homage to all the films where an A8 gets caned in the chase sequences. And the Edge of Tomorrow restart style was well done.

What I thought was much better was the banter with the live audience. No Americans.......
Bob Sacamano

Yes, Friday's wasn't so good. I'm already hating "The American" He needs to be dropped ASAP. Preferably from a great height.
gonnabuildabuggy

More like the old TG but still enjoyable, though the rescue went on too long.

Would I pay for it? Not sure, we've just using trial accounts to watch it for the moment.

Would I watch it? yes, if it's on.
PG

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I'm already hating "The American" He needs to be dropped ASAP. Preferably from a great height.


+1
Frank Bullitt

What a pile of shyte
Blarno

The A8 bit was funny, especially when Clarkson's kecks fell off, it looked like a right laugh as well. I don't get the Vulcan, it's ugly, expensive and can't be used to its full potential. Strikes me as a massive AM dick swinging exercise.
gooner

Blarno wrote:
The A8 bit was funny, especially when Clarkson's kecks fell off, it looked like a right laugh as well. I don't get the Vulcan, it's ugly, expensive and can't be used to its full potential. Strikes me as a massive AM dick swinging exercise.


Not much different to Ferrari's FXX program though and if it makes money, perhaps not directly but by keeping the super rich for whom only spending £150k on a car is bit below them, happy then I can see why they would do it.
Big Blue

To be fair episode 2 of TG tended to be shit if I remember; you can get away with that as Ep 1 was good enough for viewers to give Ep3 a go. Also remember there are 12 of these: far longer a series than the last few TG series. Expect some crud.

Agree rescue bit was too long and audience was better than Yanks. That Aston was revolting.
JohnC

I gave up after James May was shot for the 5th time in the S8 piece. However I liked the Vulcan - it's like any expensive extravagance - the world would be a poorer place without it but it is largely useless.
Andy C

Loved it - laughed like a drain throughout

Episode 1 was great , me and Tara  had some pals round , beers , pitch black with the soundbar up full .  Was superb .
Bryan M

Episode 3 was very good, just not sure why the tent wasn't in Italy!

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