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Big Blue

This or that...GAME OVER

Budget baggage carrier

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...ol/page/1/model/c_class?logcode=p

More iconic more expensive baggage carrier

http://www.munichlegends.co.uk/co...n,com_rdautos/id,297/view,detail/
gonnabuildabuggy

Perhaps spend £10K on a later C55?

Or just go with the M5. The C32 is a bit too half way for me.
Tim

He won't get it past W2.0 anyway  
Big Blue

Tim wrote:
He won't get it past W2.0 anyway  


Nowt wrong with dreaming....
Big Blue

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Perhaps spend £10K on a later C55?

Or just go with the M5. The C32 is a bit too half way for me.


C32 vs C55 is almost no difference in performance etc.  Just the noise is different and the factor 2 pricing.
gonnabuildabuggy

Big Blue wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Perhaps spend £10K on a later C55?

Or just go with the M5. The C32 is a bit too half way for me.


C32 vs C55 is almost no difference in performance etc.  Just the noise is different and the factor 2 pricing.


And the rust proofing and build quality.

The C32 usually ends up lighter on bodywork to cover the power difference.

A well known BMW enthusiast reckons his C55 estate is one of the best cars he's ever owned. I couldn't find one within budget last year though.
Racing Teatray

I'd go for the Merc.
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
I'd go for the Merc.


+1 and use my C55 £5k saving to run it for a few years.
Big Blue

This also pokes the right buttons: fast estate with that bit of exclusivity:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...11260162000/usedcars?logcode=visc
Chris M Wanted a V-10

They're all over 10 years old.... I'd have thought something newer would be more prudent
Big Blue

Not really. Newer = £10k more which is fairly imprudent. I've already arranged a viewing of that Alpina. There were only 2 UK 3.3 Tourings that year and there are only 19 3.3 Tourings and only 38 E39 Tourings altogether in the UK.

I like the idea of not seeing that many others and I had an E39 530iSE saloon when they were new and I know they're great cars.
Matt

I'm not surprised you are having a look at it, from the pictures it looks astonishing. In both style and condition.
Giant

Matt wrote:
I'm not surprised you are having a look at it, from the pictures it looks astonishing. In both style and condition.


+1

In the boot of the C32 would be the lingering feeling that you should've stretched to a C55. The E34 is too old. The Alpina is an Alpina. To me there is no choice to make.
gonnabuildabuggy

Big Blue wrote:
Not really. Newer = £10k more which is fairly imprudent. I've already arranged a viewing of that Alpina. There were only 2 UK 3.3 Tourings that year and there are only 19 3.3 Tourings and only 38 E39 Tourings altogether in the UK.

I like the idea of not seeing that many others and I had an E39 530iSE saloon when they were new and I know they're great cars.


The Alpina would be the best option I suspect as long as the bodywork is as good as it looks.

I actually think in lots of ways older is more prudent - less to go wrong and more simple tech to fix when it does.

Having gone from an E39 to a newer car, whilst I love the extra horses and the space, occassionally I do miss the handling and steering feel which was excellent for such a sized car.  Much as I'm an advocate of V8's I actually think the B3 3.3 is the better real world car all round.

If you buy that then running costs overall will be no more than a car 5 yrs newer and you will always have that feeling of exclusivity. Those with no car knowledge will see an old tarted up BMW, those in the know will mark you as a man of impeccable taste and common sense  

EDIT - great colour scheme too, dark carpet, top dash and light seats is the best combination, plus love OG.

Pity I sold mine, then the E39 might become the forums car of choice!
Martin

Not my sort of thing, but the Alpina looks the best option by some margin.

Good luck!
PG

Giant wrote:
In the boot of the C32 would be the lingering feeling that you should've stretched to a C55. The E34 is too old. The Alpina is an Alpina. To me there is no choice to make.


+1
Perfect colour and interior too
Get that Alpina bought.
Big Blue

The dealer is away until next week so I'll probably be going on 14th to see that Alpina. W2.0 also liked the look of it - all I need to do is tell Marlene I will be taking my private plate back off of her in the New Year (it's written in the settlement that I can take it whenever I pay for the transfer).

Also, contract just extended to end of August 2014 so it'll be a cash purchase
Tim

What about a late E39 540 Touring instead of the Alpina?

It's bound to be cheaper and is full of V8 goodness.
Big Blue

Tim wrote:
What about a late E39 540 Touring instead of the Alpina?

It's bound to be cheaper and is full of V8 goodness.


I've got a V8 plus the 540i has recirculating ball steering IIRC as opposed to the 6-cyl E39s which all have the more accurate, nicer feeling rack and pinion; I've had a standard E39 before; I like the Alpina for its exclusivity (this 068; 069 is the other 2003 UK B10 3.3 Touring and it's on the Alpina register); Alpinas regularly do 200k+ miles on those over-engineered engines (apart from the D3 engine which is not Alpina built).....etc. etc.

All that said this is also in my AT garage: 530 manual with the 272 engine....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...11059700145/usedcars?logcode=visc


However that 530 would be less of a "keeper" than the Alpina and I am also resigned to needing an estate whether a fifth offspring arrives or not...
Tim

Big Blue wrote:
Tim wrote:
What about a late E39 540 Touring instead of the Alpina?

It's bound to be cheaper and is full of V8 goodness.


I've got a V8 plus the 540i has recirculating ball steering IIRC as opposed to the 6-cyl E39s which all have the more accurate, nicer feeling rack and pinion; I've had a standard E39 before; I like the Alpina for its exclusivity (this 068; 069 is the other 2003 UK B10 3.3 Touring and it's on the Alpina register); Alpinas regularly do 200k+ miles on those over-engineered engines (apart from the D3 engine which is not Alpina built).....etc. etc.

All that said this is also in my AT garage: 530 manual with the 272 engine....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...11059700145/usedcars?logcode=visc


However that 530 would be less of a "keeper" than the Alpina and I am also resigned to needing an estate whether a fifth offspring arrives or not...


I understand the Alpina appeal over a normal E39.

As for having an estate, well we wouldn't be without one now despite it just being the 2 of us although when the Stilo goes I'm not the 320 is a fitting replacement (it's pretty tiny inside compared with the Fiat).
Racing Teatray

Get the Alpina - it looks lovely.
TreVoR

Racing Teatray wrote:
Get the Alpina - it looks lovely.


+1.
Martin

Unsurprisingly I think the 530i SE is the nicer car, less exclusive I know but a lot more contemporary.  As it's the facelift it has the decent engine and a much better quality interior.  It's got a panoramic sunroof too which is a really nice option, it's just a shame it doesn't have either Sports or Comfort seats.
Big Blue

Martin wrote:
 It's got a panoramic sunroof too which is a really nice option, it's just a shame it doesn't have either Sports or Comfort seats.


It was the Panny roof that got it into my garage in the first place; that and being a 272bhp model. Not enamoured with the manual box, though, although that is why this one is cheap.
Tim

E60 estates appear to have expensive tailgate wiring issues.
Frank Bullitt

The Alpina is lovely but my money would go into that dripping E61.
Martin

Frank Bullitt wrote:
The Alpina is lovely but my money would go into that dripping E61.


I thought I might be alone on this one!  
gonnabuildabuggy

Big Blue wrote:
Martin wrote:
 It's got a panoramic sunroof too which is a really nice option, it's just a shame it doesn't have either Sports or Comfort seats.


It was the Panny roof that got it into my garage in the first place; that and being a 272bhp model. Not enamoured with the manual box, though, although that is why this one is cheap.


A few people have been selling V8's on another forum I'm on, one would have been right up your street (Pano roof, etc) I might have even posted it on here.

The 550i's seem to generally be spec'd to the gunnels.

worth checking out PH classifieds as that's were the good ones often seem to be.
gonnabuildabuggy

EDIT. well above budget but guy is keen to sell as not allowed to drive at present due to health reasons (he's on another forum I use):

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi...-warranty-until-july-2015/1825768

1.5 yrs BMW warranty on it, and (I think) cheap for what it is.
Martin

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Martin wrote:
 It's got a panoramic sunroof too which is a really nice option, it's just a shame it doesn't have either Sports or Comfort seats.


It was the Panny roof that got it into my garage in the first place; that and being a 272bhp model. Not enamoured with the manual box, though, although that is why this one is cheap.


A few people have been selling V8's on another forum I'm on, one would have been right up your street (Pano roof, etc) I might have even posted it on here.

The 550i's seem to generally be spec'd to the gunnels.

worth checking out PH classifieds as that's were the good ones often seem to be.


550i Touring, LCI, Sport Auto, Carbon Black, Comfort Seats, Panoramic Roof, Adaptive Xenons, DAB, Logic 7 Hifi etc etc.   FBMWSH and full unlimited BMW warranty until July 2015 is just the icing on a delicious cake.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi...warranty-until-july-2015/1825768#

Fantastic.
Martin

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
EDIT. well above budget but guy is keen to sell as not allowed to drive at present due to health reasons (he's on another forum I use):

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi...-warranty-until-july-2015/1825768

1.5 yrs BMW warranty on it, and (I think) cheap for what it is.


Snap!  
Tim

What does LCI mean again?
Martin

Tim wrote:
What does LCI mean again?


Facelift!

Or to be correct, Life Cycle Impulse.

In the case of the E60, it means different front/rear lights (with LEDs), new door cards, improved interior quality (inc leather armrests etc), shortcut buttons for the Sat Nav and a few other fairly minor things.
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
EDIT. well above budget but guy is keen to sell as not allowed to drive at present due to health reasons (he's on another forum I use):

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi...-warranty-until-july-2015/1825768

1.5 yrs BMW warranty on it, and (I think) cheap for what it is.


Snap!  


BB - if you are at all interested I'll drop the seller a pm. I think (?) he live closeish to you (North Hampshire). He's a defence contractor.
Racing Teatray

Martin wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
The Alpina is lovely but my money would go into that dripping E61.


I thought I might be alone on this one!  


The 530 is an SE-spec car. I like MSport E60s but the SE-spec versions look gopping.

I'd be very tempted by the Alpina over even the 550i. It's more special.
Martin

Racing Teatray wrote:
Martin wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
The Alpina is lovely but my money would go into that dripping E61.


I thought I might be alone on this one!  


The 530 is an SE-spec car. I like MSport E60s but the SE-spec versions look gopping.


That's just another reason why the 550i is a much nicer option.

More to the LCI that meets the eye (literally), for all the wannabe spotters.....

http://5series.net/info/2008_LCI_Detailed_Changes.pdf

Big Blue

See, that's what I love about this place. I've gone from a £5k C32 to a £14½k 550i in a day
Big Blue

Racing Teatray wrote:


I'd be very tempted by the Alpina over even the 550i. It's more special.


Yes, the Alpina is still way ahead.
PG

The manual box and revolting front seats rules the E61 out for me. And those seats look like they ticked the "I can't believe it's ;eather" option. The bolsters (well flat squabs basically designed for fat Germanic arses) look like elephant leather.

Every day, as you pumped that clutch and slid around on the seats, you'd think "why didn't I get the Alpina?"
Martin

PG wrote:
The manual box and revolting front seats rules the E61 out for me. And those seats look like they ticked the "I can't believe it's ;eather" option. The bolsters (well flat squabs basically designed for fat Germanic arses) look like elephant leather.

Every day, as you pumped that clutch and slid around on the seats, you'd think "why didn't I get the 550i M Sport?"


FYP
PG

I wrote my post before I saw the 550i ad. Now, that v Alpina. Close call. I'd have to drive both to decide. I do think the Alpina is better looking. But a 550i has a certain appeal, and the spec looks great.

bb - are you selling Jean-Luc or is this in addition?
Big Blue

PG wrote:


bb - are you selling Jean-Luc or is this in addition?


Jean-Luc will be going. I've said elsewhere I'm fickle so much as his woofle is loved the fact that the MMI is un-upgradeable (this is one of the first D3s so even the 3-disc upgrade is too new to upgrade it!); the nav-disc will not eject even though it's not locked in the MMI so my nav is out of date; I can't add the AMI and hard drive due to the MMI issue; last year's new battery keeps telling the MMI it's going flat even though it's the size of a small car and this weekend's last straw of the MMI telling me that there was no coolant which re-set itself as soon as I'd turned off the ignition and then on again means the niggling little stuff is outweighing the utter luxury and comfort that is the rest of the car.

If that Alpina arrives it will live in the garage with the Gsx-R and W2.0 will get a small car that I also like. Like this one:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...11179964960/usedcars?logcode=visc
gonnabuildabuggy

Big Blue wrote:
PG wrote:


bb - are you selling Jean-Luc or is this in addition?


Jean-Luc will be going. I've said elsewhere I'm fickle so much as his woofle is loved the fact that the MMI is un-upgradeable (this is one of the first D3s so even the 3-disc upgrade is too new to upgrade it!); the nav-disc will not eject even though it's not locked in the MMI so my nav is out of date; I can't add the AMI and hard drive due to the MMI issue; last year's new battery keeps telling the MMI it's going flat even though it's the size of a small car and this weekend's last straw of the MMI telling me that there was no coolant which re-set itself as soon as I'd turned off the ignition and then on again means the niggling little stuff is outweighing the utter luxury and comfort that is the rest of the car.

If that Alpina arrives it will live in the garage with the Gsx-R and W2.0 will get a small car that I also like. Like this one:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...11179964960/usedcars?logcode=visc


Interesting. The MMI issues were one thing that put me off the A8 a bit. It all seemed so "complex" to get what you wanted.

I suspect we may end up in a similar place when the kids leave home (we need two reasonable sized cars to fit 2+ teenagers in). One smaller car for Mrs. GBB that I also like driving, big car for occasional lugging duties and larger family trips (plus karting elderly parents around in), plus a sports car for me suitable for daily use as well as weekend use.
JohnC

I think I would be persuaded by the 550i, the spec, low mileage and the manufacturer's warranty.

The Alpina is lovely but just getting a bit old.
Big Blue

That Alpina has had one owner and £5k pays for a lot of servicing and repairs.
Giant

Big Blue wrote:
That Alpina has had one owner and £5k pays for a lot of servicing and repairs.


One owner strongly suggests 'cherished'. Get it bought!
Big Blue

Giant wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
That Alpina has had one owner and £5k pays for a lot of servicing and repairs.


One owner strongly suggests 'cherished'. Get it bought!


Yes. I already have itchy feet due to the the guy being away and me really being keen; I want to see it in the daylight and take W2.0 and D1.0 so that means Saturday week as I have all kinds of other stuff on next week so can't WFH and scoot over there before that. Then W2.0 tells me a load of other stuff she has planned that weekend (our last in the UK before 2014) and I just pulled a face.

Onwards and upwards.....
Racing Teatray

Or you could get this one - in case you need protection from W 1.0....

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=29004
Big Blue

Well, Munich Legends have just mailed me details and answers to some questions I had on the E34 M5 Touring. It has been comprehensively looked after and they have done lots more as part of the PDI for the current sale (they sold it last time too).

Whilst the idea of the M5 Touring still appeals, I'm not sure it's a dilemma: W2.0 will definitely prefer the Alpina and there's a gulf in mileage. There is also some surface bubbling on the E34, it has the M-spec velour(ish) seat covers and actually looks a bit gloomy inside compared to the Alpina. It is, however, even more iconic than the Alpina but the Alpina still has the 1-owner factor on its side.
Racing Teatray

Alpina. Not even a scintilla of doubt.

I love the E34 M5 Touring but it is old and gloomy inside by comparison and they are motorised money pits.
gonnabuildabuggy

Racing Teatray wrote:
Alpina. Not even a scintilla of doubt.

I love the E34 M5 Touring but it is old and gloomy inside by comparison and they are motorised money pits.


Alpina. Far more modern and lower bills should you get one.
Michael

Alpina, obviously. I think I'm right in saying it should have unusually low road tax (for the engine) on account of being listed as PLG rather than having the high emissions band.
Roadrunner

Another vote for the Alpina, which is a thing of loveliness. In fact, if I were looking for a car right now, I could easily be racing to be at the front of the queue.
Racing Teatray

Just been ogling the pics of that Alpina again. Buy it!!! Frankly it's but a sunroof short of perfection!
PG

Definitely the Alpina over the M5 Touring.
Big Blue

Racing Teatray wrote:
Just been ogling the pics of that Alpina again. Buy it!!! Frankly it's but a sunroof short of perfection!


Dealer has more pics:

http://www.rgcarsalesltd.co.uk/li...10-3-3-5dr-switch-tronic-touring/

It will be hard to disguise myself as a buyer that needs to be convinced....

Jean-Luc has had all his scratches and paintwork niggles done today as I am at home. This weekend he will have a comprehensive interior clean.
Parm

Get that Alpina before I do!

;-)
Racing Teatray

Big Blue wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Just been ogling the pics of that Alpina again. Buy it!!! Frankly it's but a sunroof short of perfection!


Dealer has more pics:

http://www.rgcarsalesltd.co.uk/li...10-3-3-5dr-switch-tronic-touring/

It will be hard to disguise myself as a buyer that needs to be convinced....



Thems were the ones I was ogling...
Giant

Forget acting like you need convincing, Id be camped on the dealers door step waiting for him to get back from holiday. It being such a rarity and having to wait, I'd convince myself a queue of people will be after and I'd have to get in there first.
Big Blue

Giant wrote:
Forget acting like you need convincing, Id be camped on the dealers door step waiting for him to get back from holiday. It being such a rarity and having to wait, I'd convince myself a queue of people will be after and I'd have to get in there first.


That has just described my state of mind. When I call him on Tuesday at 5am I may just pay a holding deposit sight unseen.
the other ct

A word of caution on the Alpina.

Apart from the usual e39 issues most 3.3 (and earlier 3.2) tend to suffer from head gasket failure around that age/mileage. This tends to be an expensive job because it's a modified version of the American market e36 M3 engine. I've seen figures of £1000-£1200 mentioned on forums which seem ridiculous, more so if you've just laid the thick end of £10k on one.
Big Blue

Yes, I've checked this issue out.  The gasket is a BMW USA part (the one from the E36 M3 US spec) and best (cheapest) ordered from there. If it happens, it happens: a head gasket is not something you normally change as a precaution. Jean-Luc was supposed to be throwing his cam belts when I bought him but they were done as part of the deal: I suspect if I ask the dealer to swap a head gasket "just in case" he'll attack me with a large knife. There are 4-5 I've seen on the UK site with head gaskets replaced, about 80-100k miles so i might get a failure in a year; I might never see one as long as I have the car.

The £1000+ bills are listed in a couple of places and lots of other precautionary / "well, you've got it in bits you might as well..." works done at the same time. I've had tyre bills of nigh on £1k before so the inconvenience of a HGF would be my main issue.
Tim

£1,000 bills are easily achieveable on any car nowadays.
At least on this one it would be for mechanical reasons rather than electrical (see Piers' comments about his bluetooth module and warranty, etc).

If we lived our life on the basis of 'what if' we'd all leave here and join the Toyota forums.
Boxer6

Tim wrote:
£1,000 bills are easily achieveable on any car nowadays.
At least on this one it would be for mechanical reasons rather than electrical (see Piers' comments about his bluetooth module and warranty, etc).

If we lived our life on the basis of 'what if' we'd all leave here and join the Toyota forums.


*Shudder*

PhilD

Tim wrote:
.

If we lived our life on the basis of 'what if' we'd all leave here and join the Toyota forums.


Not me.


It would be the Subaru forum  
Martin

PhilD wrote:
Tim wrote:
.

If we lived our life on the basis of 'what if' we'd all leave here and join the Toyota forums.


Not me.

It would be the Subaru forum  


I wouldn't join either forum. Only if there was a gun to my head.  
Mark

Martin wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Tim wrote:
.

If we lived our life on the basis of 'what if' we'd all leave here and join the Toyota forums.


Not me.

It would be the Subaru forum  


I wouldn't join either forum. Only if there was a gun to my head.  


I bet both forums are really shit.
Big Blue

Look like that Alpina will be sold this morning. Such is life.
Tim

Mark wrote:
Martin wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Tim wrote:
.

If we lived our life on the basis of 'what if' we'd all leave here and join the Toyota forums.


Not me.

It would be the Subaru forum  


I wouldn't join either forum. Only if there was a gun to my head.  


I bet both forums are really shit.


At least on the Subaru forum there would be planty of talk of mechanical maladies - grenading 2.5 boxer 4s, etc.
Mark

Tim wrote:
Mark wrote:
Martin wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Tim wrote:
.

If we lived our life on the basis of 'what if' we'd all leave here and join the Toyota forums.


Not me.

It would be the Subaru forum  


I wouldn't join either forum. Only if there was a gun to my head.  


I bet both forums are really shit.


At least on the Subaru forum there would be planty of talk of mechanical maladies - grenading 2.5 boxer 4s, etc.


Yep - and that 'wonderful' noise becoming extremely tedious.  
Tim

Mark wrote:
Tim wrote:
At least on the Subaru forum there would be planty of talk of mechanical maladies - grenading 2.5 boxer 4s, etc.


Yep - and that 'wonderful' noise becoming extremely tedious.  


I recently drove one of the 5 door hatch 2.5 turbo WRXs and there was no boxer noise at all - it sounded like a vacuum cleaner.
It was bloody fast though.
Racing Teatray

Big Blue wrote:
Look like that Alpina will be sold this morning. Such is life.


Bummer
Tim

Racing Teatray wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Look like that Alpina will be sold this morning. Such is life.


Bummer


He hasn't said that it isn't to him though.........
Big Blue

Not me. Spoke to bloke this morning; will call him again this afternoon just in case....
PG

Big Blue wrote:
Look like that Alpina will be sold this morning. Such is life.


So it's been sold while the bloke is away? How come?
Boxer6

Tim wrote:
Mark wrote:
Tim wrote:
At least on the Subaru forum there would be planty of talk of mechanical maladies - grenading 2.5 boxer 4s, etc.


Yep - and that 'wonderful' noise becoming extremely tedious.  


I recently drove one of the 5 door hatch 2.5 turbo WRXs and there was no boxer noise at all - it sounded like a vacuum cleaner.
It was bloody fast though.


Equal-length headers in the newer ones. The 330bhp versions are 'Kin quick!!
Big Blue

PG wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Look like that Alpina will be sold this morning. Such is life.


So it's been sold while the bloke is away? How come?


Today was the day of his return.  I called at about 0930 and the buyer turned up this morning. Ho hum.

I'm now no longer admiring that E34 M5 Touring either as the colour combo gives me no excitement and the B10 looked SOOOO nice.

I'll have a break from looking until after New Year and see what comes along. At least now Jean Luc has spotless paintwork.
Tim

Boxer6 wrote:
Tim wrote:
Mark wrote:
Tim wrote:
At least on the Subaru forum there would be planty of talk of mechanical maladies - grenading 2.5 boxer 4s, etc.


Yep - and that 'wonderful' noise becoming extremely tedious.  


I recently drove one of the 5 door hatch 2.5 turbo WRXs and there was no boxer noise at all - it sounded like a vacuum cleaner.
It was bloody fast though.


Equal-length headers in the newer ones. The 330bhp versions are 'Kin quick!!


I'm not sure how much power it had.
I think it might've even been one of the single tailpipe ones.
Boxer6

Tim wrote:
Boxer6 wrote:
Tim wrote:
Mark wrote:
Tim wrote:
At least on the Subaru forum there would be planty of talk of mechanical maladies - grenading 2.5 boxer 4s, etc.


Yep - and that 'wonderful' noise becoming extremely tedious.  


I recently drove one of the 5 door hatch 2.5 turbo WRXs and there was no boxer noise at all - it sounded like a vacuum cleaner.
It was bloody fast though.


Equal-length headers in the newer ones. The 330bhp versions are 'Kin quick!!


I'm not sure how much power it had.
I think it might've even been one of the single tailpipe ones.


I think the version I'm talking about were limited editions. I had one as a courtesy car a couple of years ago, and scared myself silly in it - but had LOADS of fun at the same time! I seem to recall having t take something horse-related to Herself while she was away at Aberfoyle …. the A81 is a rather nice road in one of those things I can tell you!    


E.T.A. - My mistake, it was 320bhp. I did a wee write up here
Tim

We had a couple of those for sale a while back and they looked pretty good in dark blue and grey - much nicer than the standard turbo hatchback.
Boxer6

Tim wrote:
We had a couple of those for sale a while back and they looked pretty good in dark blue and grey - much nicer than the standard turbo hatchback.


Seen both, and prefer the grey (surprise surprise!)
Big Blue

Right. back to the topic in hand.....

Yesterday I went to see the E34 M5 Touring and here's what I found:

The interior is in remarkable condition for a 20 year old car. The main faults concern the covering to the rear bench where some stitching has come away from the alcantara (not fabric tears, just stitching issues).

It has been oversprayed in places and in a very unclean workshop (moisture under the over-paint) but it's nothing you couldn't live with. The shell on E34s is galvanised from birth so panel rot is not an issue.

The engine started first time and sounded like an M5

It has the 5 speed box which snicked nicely when cold and stationary (and engine off).

The car has been sitting about for the best part of 2 years. The current registered owner is an American living in London who bought it and couldn't get insured on a US license. Not sure he's even seen it more than once but at least he can say he's owned an iconic car unavailable in the US. Dan from ML and I laughed at the fact only Americans behave like this. As a result of this sitting around the hydraulic pipes have corroded and will be replaced. As a result I didn't get to drive it yet as ML will fully recommission the car on promise of a sale, including new pipes.

I saw the file on the car and the previous owner to this one spent some money on it One bill included a raft of suspension work and came to £5.5k including new EDC dampers to the front at £800plus VAT each.

There was some rust inside the rear doors and I pointed out that as these things have coverered sills they'd need to get it up, take the covers off and look to see what the damage is underneath. It's not a death-knell issue on E34s if stopped now.

The wheels have been refurbed and it has new Michelins on it so that's an expense to not worry about for some time at the kind of miles I do.

Downside: W2.0 doesn't do manuals; doesn't like old cars and if she ever actually drives I'd need to buy a 2nd car which she then asks "why do we need 2 cars?" (to which I reply "because I like cars and how many handbags have you got?" - the last part sotto voce ). There is also the niggling thought that it will leave me stranded one day (but then Jean-Luc and his electrical power issues did that on Thursday anyway, so who am I to worry about the next car?) and that 12-18 months after any purchase a thumping bill will slide across my desk. However it pretty much won't depreciate much and if I keep it for 3-5 years it may appreciate as more E34 M5 Tourings disappear from the already small market.

I said I'd call Dan on Tuesday with a decision.

Some of my pics:















Mark

You don't mention how much Munich Legends will want for the vehicle - but knowing them...

Were the new tyres added before it had its 2 year sabbatical or do you mean literally new now? What's the current mileage?

Lovely cars and it would be a hell of a thing to own - just not sure on that particular example.
Big Blue

£11k

New tyres now.

205k km
Nice Guy Eddie

Love the idea of the car but probably wouldn't pay the massive premium the estate has over a saloon. No doubt that these cars time is only around the corner when compared to e28 and e30 prices.

How did you find ML? I know they charge a premium but arent what they once were.
Big Blue

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:

How did you find ML? I know they charge a premium but aren't what they once were.


Dan was totally open about the car when I spoke to him on the phone, to the extent that I was pleasantly surprised when I saw it.  There is currently another E34 Touring out there but it has been the subject of a Police strip against the favour of the current owner. He wants £9k for it and is obviously a bit shady (police strips don't just happen!) so the price is fair.  The estate bit adds to the exclusivity and practicality and if prices do increase I'll probably pay for a full respray (not worth it at the moment IMHO) at a reputable place. It looks to be a good usable modern classic.
TreVoR

I am guessing all the tourings are LHD - as you do most of your miles on the continent I suppose this is a bonus.

That doesn't look like it has been the most looked after example but they are incredibly rare.
Big Blue

Well, it's gone midnight and I'm in the middle of a headfuck on this. I really like the IDEA of the E34 M5 Touring but having seen the bills in the file have to think soberly. Also W2.0 has made no bones about her opinion of it so the fact that it would be our only car if it arrived means I REALLY need to want it.

So I don't know I want it that much, especially with the flaws I've seen on it and not knowing what's going on under those plastic coated sills.....  As such, and as a man, I've looked at other alternatives which are no more sensible.

I have found a LHD E39 530i Touring with about 120k kms on the clock for (relative) small change. I have also found a 928 S4 for £7k. Both are within cycling distance / Oyster card-use of my house. The maths says that the three year cost of owning those 2 is about the same as owning the E34, bearing in mind the 928 will get weekend use and the E39 everything else including crossing the EU. Maybe the 928 will get a blast to a GP once a year. I've allowed £6k for unexpected repairs over 3 years, £1200 per annum for tyres and £1400 per annum for routine servicing. That M5 would swallow that in one go if it plays up, and so could the 928 but as it will be the "toy" car if it's sitting in a workshop for a year whilst I work out paying for it it won't be an issue whereas if the M5 needs work it will need to be done. If the E39 blows up after a year I'll buy another one! Another HUGE plus is that W2.0 loves the 928 and it's Auto so she would drive it.

So the headfuck is this: I want to own that M5 to avoid passing over the chance but I'm a bit risk-averse as a procurement-contract person. The problems are minor but I don't think it will be the stable valued modern classic that the 928 is and the bespoke suspension is doing my nut as the cost of bits is MENTAL. It does sound awesome, though.

I'll see when or if I can see that 928 and likewise the E39 (the insurance from Flux on a LHD seems to be unreasonably high IMHO so that needs a shop around) before I call ML - that E34 isn't exactly running out of the door so I have time.
Humphrey The Pug

Mmmm 928!
Giant

E39 and 928 got me, sensible and fun. The M5 is appealing because of its rarity but suspect will drive you insane as a single car.
Frank Bullitt

Giant wrote:
E39 and 928 got me, sensible and fun. The M5 is appealing because of its rarity but suspect will drive you insane as a single car.


+1, I can see the appeal and how man-maths (or man-rationale) make it viable but as the main family car I think it's a stretch too far especially as you'll need to keep it tip top and the bills will be horrific to do so.

I think a cherished E39 or E61 (whisper it; pre LCI even) would be a better option on almost every level - I don't think you'll get enough M5 benefit to outweigh the pitfalls of a near 20 year old car that will happily rape you senseless at every opportunity.
PG

I'd avoid the M5 touring. As you'd need to maintain a second "family car" which was an auto, you'd find yourself taking thay everywhere in case W2.0 needs to drive - even to the continent probably. So the M5 would languish at home and be seen as an expensive toy by W2.0. Result - both fiscal and domestic grief.

The 928 sounds a great idea. I've always loved the 928.
Roadrunner

I like the sound of having a 928 in one's car collection. Alternatively, how about this:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...us/1500/postcode/ox75nn?logcode=p
TreVoR

Roadrunner wrote:
I like the sound of having a 928 in one's car collection. Alternatively, how about this:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...us/1500/postcode/ox75nn?logcode=p


.....and things are right back at the beginning.  That is nice!  
Big Blue

.... and I'm going to see it (the B10) tomorrow. It has monsterous provenance. This is the second time this dealer has sold it; all services are BMW main dealer; Oil service or cost off included in sale, oh yeah, Racing: it HAS the glass sunroof.....

Fingers fucking well and truly crossed.
TreVoR

Best of luck!
Big Blue

I was going to pay a deposit on the phone and go on Saturday but checked my diary and I'm working from home tomorrow so I can go there straight from the nursery run. I told the dealer to keep me updated through the day in case anyone else looks keen (some bloke went to see it on Saturday....).

If it's as good as it looks and sounds and I buy it I will have to send Roadrunner a gift.
Roadrunner

Big Blue wrote:
I was going to pay a deposit on the phone and go on Saturday but checked my diary and I'm working from home tomorrow so I can go there straight from the nursery run. I told the dealer to keep me updated through the day in case anyone else looks keen (some bloke went to see it on Saturday....).

If it's as good as it looks and sounds and I buy it I will have to send Roadrunner a gift.


Good job there isn't anyone else on here looking for a high quality estate car with a sunroof, or they might get there first...    
Big Blue

Roadrunner wrote:


Good job there isn't anyone else on here looking for a high quality estate car with a sunroof, or they might get there first...    


It's closer to my house than yours  
Parm

That Alpina looks fab! Good luck!

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