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Rodge

The sensible decision?

I'm looking at cars again. I've decided I'm going to be sensible for the moment.
I've lost my job and need to change so I want to get a family sized car with a diesel engine that will actually move it reasonably quickly.

Yesterday I saw a 320D Touring with toys and leather included. it was on 17"s I think and looked tidy, it's the current model on a 2005 plate.
I also saw a Mondeo ST TDCi 2.2 with a fraction of the mileage but for similar money, the Mondy is a year younger.

I want a car that will handle well but it needs to be practical. I've decided against a bigger engine as the tax will be very high here and I'm saving by getting rid of my 2.5.

Opinions from anyone who's driven both are appreciated. I've only driven the Mondeo with the 2.0 TDCi and it wasn't bad, but haven't driven the 320d. I loved the 530d I drove earlier this year but that won't happen now.

Bear in mind that I will probably chip whatever car I end up with as I'll want more speed out of it anyway......
"him"

The Mondeo for me  (so that probably means you should go for the BMW!)  

An '06 would be previous shape model I assume, that is a good thing IMO.
Gurney

Would have to be the 320D for me. A person within elastic band range from where I am sitting had a previous shape Mondy 2.0Tdci and he is still very VERY pissed off over this.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl...untryGB&aq=1&oq=mondeo+du

Cost him a fortune.
DradusContact

When Alastair's mondeo's clutch went he found the value of the car had dropped to less than the cost of getting the clutch fitted, consquently he flogged it.  Its quite common i think, the clutch is a super electronic thing thats not cheap to replace.
Racing

Old-shape 330d Touring? Had dinner last night with an acquaintance who drives one in MSport trim and noted that it still looks jolly smart.
Mark

Gurney wrote:
Would have to be the 320D for me. A person within elastic band range from where I am sitting had a previous shape Mondy 2.0Tdci and he is still very VERY pissed off over this.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl...untryGB&aq=1&oq=mondeo+du

Cost him a fortune.


This is far from a Ford only problem, though. Most manufacturer (that use DMF's) owner forums contain tales of woe. Ford stories are probably more common because there are simply more (generally) of them on the road.
"him"

Mark wrote:
This is far from a Ford only problem, though. Most manufacturer (that use DMF's) owner forums contain tales of woe. Ford stories are probably more common because there are simply more (generally) of them on the road.

Indeed, the 330d will have one too, as do 320d's.

This is how they work - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnaXB8q3uzQ

Another "improvement" no-one asked for in my mind!
Bob Sacramento

So it's a toss up of the Mondeo with its dodgy dual mass flywheel or a BMW with their well known turbo blowing problems.

I'd probably still have the Beemer and cross my fingers.
Turbonutter

Aside from the usual front wishbones on the E46 check, if you do get the 320d, get the swirl flaps removed if they're the old manifold type and also be aware of the pressure sensor fault on the DSC. Both can be costly if you're unlucky. Check your crank case breather filter as well as they're not always changed ( esp if you find oil in front of the turbo impellor and in the intake pipe it's a good idea to change )
gonnabuildabuggy

Turbonutter wrote:
Aside from the usual front wishbones on the E46 check, if you do get the 320d, get the swirl flaps removed if they're the old manifold type and also be aware of the pressure sensor fault on the DSC. Both can be costly if you're unlucky. Check your crank case breather filter as well as they're not always changed ( esp if you find oil in front of the turbo impellor and in the intake pipe it's a good idea to change )


I think Rodge said it's an E90 (current model) so the swirl flap issues should be OK, I think the rest still relevant.

Were it me I;d be tempted to hold off until I knew my future situation as then you might want to splash a bit more. Early 330d hasn't got swirl flap problem, cheap as chips and fast enough.
Turbonutter

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Turbonutter wrote:
Aside from the usual front wishbones on the E46 check, if you do get the 320d, get the swirl flaps removed if they're the old manifold type and also be aware of the pressure sensor fault on the DSC. Both can be costly if you're unlucky. Check your crank case breather filter as well as they're not always changed ( esp if you find oil in front of the turbo impellor and in the intake pipe it's a good idea to change )


I think Rodge said it's an E90 (current model) so the swirl flap issues should be OK, I think the rest still relevant.



Oops my mistake  

I just saw the 05 reg bit and assumed it was an E46...carry on!
Gurney

Mark wrote:
Gurney wrote:
Would have to be the 320D for me. A person within elastic band range from where I am sitting had a previous shape Mondy 2.0Tdci and he is still very VERY pissed off over this.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl...untryGB&aq=1&oq=mondeo+du

Cost him a fortune.


This is far from a Ford only problem, though. Most manufacturer (that use DMF's) owner forums contain tales of woe. Ford stories are probably more common because there are simply more (generally) of them on the road.


This is indeed true, it affects Toyotas and to a lesser extent Vauxhalls badly too. People keep telling me the 3 series outsells the Mundano but you still tend to hear of only turbo problems on the 3 series diesels.

Rather telling that you can only get a 'non dual mass' flywheel kit for the Ford though.

My mate suffered the complete and utter disinterest of his local Ford stealer (it was of course just out of warranty) it also tatered the clutch at the same time so a nice wallet double whammy. He is now Zafira mounted, seems happy enough so far.
Martin

The ST is the only Mondeo I like, but it would still have to be the 320d.
Mark

Is the cost to change worth the better fuel economy?

As good as a (E90) 320d is; a (E46) 325i is probably still better?

Better the devil you know and all that.
Guitar Zero

Are you taxed on carbons or just pure engine size ?

V70 D5 185 manual is the top kiddy if you want beef, quality and estatery.
Rodge

Guitar Zero wrote:
Are you taxed on carbons or just pure engine size ?

V70 D5 185 manual is the top kiddy if you want beef, quality and estatery.


Carbons if the car is '08 or newer, CC on anything older than that. It's €935 for a years tax for mine now and with diesel being 20% cheaper here now too, it makes alot of sense.

I also want something with a bigger boot as I find that I miss having a proper rear hatch to fit things into.

I didn't even think of the Volvo. I'll have to have a look at that too.
Frank Bullitt

Gurney wrote:
Mark wrote:
Gurney wrote:
Would have to be the 320D for me. A person within elastic band range from where I am sitting had a previous shape Mondy 2.0Tdci and he is still very VERY pissed off over this.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl...untryGB&aq=1&oq=mondeo+du

Cost him a fortune.


This is far from a Ford only problem, though. Most manufacturer (that use DMF's) owner forums contain tales of woe. Ford stories are probably more common because there are simply more (generally) of them on the road.


This is indeed true, it affects Toyotas and to a lesser extent Vauxhalls badly too. People keep telling me the 3 series outsells the Mundano but you still tend to hear of only turbo problems on the 3 series diesels.

Rather telling that you can only get a 'non dual mass' flywheel kit for the Ford though.

My mate suffered the complete and utter disinterest of his local Ford stealer (it was of course just out of warranty) it also tatered the clutch at the same time so a nice wallet double whammy. He is now Zafira mounted, seems happy enough so far.


It's a problem on VAG TDI's too - I know a fair few A2 TDI 90 owners who've had to replace the dual-mass flywheel and clutch; my '75' has a normal (single mass?) flywheel.

As for the question, buy the BMW
Chris M Wants a V-10

I recently handed back my parents V70 D5 when they returned from holiday. It's a 163 BHP auto version rather than the later 185 and it goes like stink if you floor it.  (I've driven a couple of 185 versions and they can get almost ballistic if you use the accelerator pedal "correctly" !) However the downside is that it is somewhat thirsty..........
Guitar Zero

Yeah, 45 mpg is a real pisser
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