Archive for The Motor Forum talking cars since 2006          The Motor Forum Forum Index -> Racing Posts Chris M Wants a V-10 The Ross Brawn Appreciation Thread Surely we shoud "do" this? Absolutely amazing.  To take the remains of an F1 operation, with no engine contract, and turn it around on a very limited budget with so many "ifs and buts" hanging over every aspect of the operation, and turn it into an outfit that won its first race was outstanding enough.  But to keep plugging away as your rivals caught up during the season, and take not just the Constructors Title, but the Drivers Title to.... almost defies belief. Surely an MBE, at the very least ,becons? DaveGibson Re: The Ross Brawn Appreciation Thread Chris M Wants a V-10 wrote: ......  Surely an MBE, at the very least ,becons? At the very least, indeed. Personally, I fell a knighthood is warranted after his efforts over the past 20 years with Jaguar sports cars winning Le Mans, then Benetton, Ferrari and now Brawn winning F1 titles. Big TC What the hell, get him in Number 10 running the country! Can't do worse than the one-eyed fucker in there at present, can he? SambaFi I am generallynot a fan of F1 but congratulations are due to Brawn, Button et al. JohnC I agree that real recognition should be given to a man who has succeeded at the highest levels in the sport for years. I hope they can continue their success next year although with the pack closing in I am not so sure. However smaller budgets should at least give most teams a chance of success and survival at the same time. Twelfth Monkey Agree with the gist, but let's not forget that the car bequeathed by Honda's hard work up to the point of changing hands was clearly very good indeed. Clealy both titles are fantastic achievements, but it wasn't a startup team. Humphrey The Pug Twelfth Monkey wrote: Agree with the gist, but let's not forget that the car bequeathed by Honda's hard work up to the point of changing hands was clearly very good indeed. Clealy both titles are fantastic achievements, but it wasn't a startup team. Also I believe that Honda still bankrolled this year too, to the tune of quite a hefty sum. Stll, as everyone has said, a fantastic acheivement and lets hope it can continue into next year. Nice Guy Eddie Its a shame that Honda haven't been able to take some credit for this. The way they transfered ownership of the team to the new entity has to be applauded. They gave Brawn enough time to find the funds and kept bankrolling the team to ensure that everyone kept their jobs and that R&D could still be continued. Ross Brawn did very well keeping a winning formula going. I wouldn't suggest that he should be knighted as there are others in motorsport like Ron Dennis who probably deserve it more. Lets see how Brawn do next year before we all getcarried away. They  did amazingly this year but only long term success will prove them to be a Mclaren or Ferrari. Scouse Twelfth Monkey wrote: Agree with the gist, but let's not forget that the car bequeathed by Honda's hard work up to the point of changing hands was clearly very good indeed. Clealy both titles are fantastic achievements, but it wasn't a startup team. Honda's hard work that was the product of Ross Brawn's management skills though... JohnC At the beginning of the season, just after the rear splitter issue, Ross Brawn said that he had told all the teams and the FIA that he thought there was a potential for different interpretation in the way the rules were written, well before the season had started. He was basically told that no-one else thought it was a problem, so it was ignored. I bet the others wish they had listened. Dr. Hfuhruhurr I think Honda's greatest contribution was to leave, taking their underpowered and unreliable engine with them, and let the experts get on the with the job. Humphrey The Pug JohnC wrote: At the beginning of the season, just after the rear splitter issue, Ross Brawn said that he had told all the teams and the FIA that he thought there was a potential for different interpretation in the way the rules were written, well before the season had started. He was basically told that no-one else thought it was a problem, so it was ignored. I bet the others wish they had listened. I remember that, it would've been interesting though if say McLaren or Renault had come up with the double diffuser idea at the begining of the season instead of Brawn, Williams and Toyota, and blew the rest away, would they have been able to keep it? Humphrey The Pug Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: I think Honda's greatest contribution was to leave, taking their underpowered and unreliable engine with them, and let the experts get on the with the job. I believe that Japanese companies have a very long winded decison making process, rather than leaving the decision making with one or two close to the "shop floor" the whole process involves getting board members and directors of the parent company involved which is why Honda never really made it and Toyota are struggling, no quick decision making. Dr. Hfuhruhurr Exactly - the very worst possible corporate culture for something like F1, where you need to be on the ball from race to race. And they forced out Dave Richards as well, after he'd rescued the team from its disastrous Pollock/Villeneuve incarnation. Scouse I don't think it was a case of forced Dave Richards out, more their own corporate arrogance led them to believe they could do a better job and didn't renew his and Prodrive's contract. Humphrey The Pug Wasn't Mike Gascoigne forced out of Toyota as even though he can get things done they didn't like his no nonsence lets get it sorted attitude? TimR We'll find out more about Mike Gascoyne's abilities soon as he's with Lotus. Well done to everyone at Brawn. the other ct Humphrey The Pug wrote: Wasn't Mike Gascoigne forced out of Toyota and Force India as even though he can get things done they didn't like his no nonsence lets get it sorted attitude? Although Force India did a good job this season, so good in fact, that Mclaren have taken their man back. If Sutil could have kept away from Ferraris it might have been even better! I'd like to think that next year's Brawn will be in a strong position especially when you consider thinks like this: "The chassis had the back six inches cut off to fit the engine in - the sort of thing you wouldn't normally do even with a test car," says my source. "And the gearbox was in the wrong place because the crank-centre height is different. There's a massive amount of compromise in the cars." Those compromises introduced a significant performance deficit into the Brawn car, but it raced like that all year. That is because the lead time on making a new chassis is several months, and at the time the team would have had to make the decision - in April - the car was dominating. By the time it had dropped off the pace, and it was obvious the team needed the extra speed that would come with a bespoke chassis and improved weight distribution, it was too late to commission a new design. Just as incredibly the team, tight on budget, made only three chassis all year - one for Button, one for Rubens Barrichello, and a spare - when a big-money outfit such as McLaren will typically make seven or eight. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrew...he_remarkable_story_of_brawn.html        The Motor Forum Forum Index -> Racing Posts Page 1 of 1