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BeN

The next Ben mobile

(I don't actually call my car "The Ben Mobile", but I just thought it would be a nice title.. )

As some of you may know, I'm saying goodbye to my beloved Mitsubishi Lancer. A buyer has been found, and barring any unforeseen circumstances, the Lancer will leave me by the end of the month.

So, what's next then? Well, I'm going a bit of a different route, and will be leasing my next ride. I thought this was the best way to go, because under the lease agreement I will have a new car with costs such as road tax, insurance and servicing all covered for. My only expenses will be the monthly payment and fuel.

I actually already have in mind what car I want, but I just thought it'll be fun to gather your opinions on my options in any case, as per customary forum tradition. The interesting thing being, given my job, I've actually test driven most of these cars in the course of my work so I suppose I have a pretty good idea of what to expect.

I will list them in relative order of favourites, but they are not definite decisions as yet.

Here goes then:

- Suzuki SX4. I actually liked this car a lot when I test drove it a year or so back. It's not spectacular but it comes across as quite an agreeable car, one that I can see myself living with on a daily basis. The only problem with this is that Suzuki is not really a big seller here and I've been told that this car is 'subject to availability'.

- Kia Cerato Forte. I don't think you guys get this over there, but it's essentially a Cee'd saloon. Nothing terrible about this but nothing amazing either. Recently facelifted, it looks like this:


- Mazda 3. Great to drive, very competent. But over here the Mazda 3 comes with a 1.5-litre petrol that is somewhat weedy, lethargic and quite noisy. Otherwise the 3 has a lot going for it.

- Honda Vezel/HR-V. Vezel is what we call the HR-V over here, and these things, along with the Qashqai, are now immensely popular here (there are four of them in my neighbourhood alone). They drive decently and are reasonably spacious and practical, but I don't really want to drive what everyone else drives.

Outside bets

There are a couple of cars which are a bit left field but which I am also considering as well.

- Toyota Sienta. Not available in Europe as well, the Sienta is quite a funky little MPV thing with sliding doors and seating for seven (albeit at a squeeze). Interesting, but not sure if it's right for me. I'm due to test drive this in a couple of weeks time so we shall see.


- Toyota Prius. I know, I know. Its looks are questionable and it's not really an exciting choice. But if my only usage expenses are fuel, why not get something that doesn't use a lot of it (and the new one is one hell of a frugal machine). The monthly payment for this will be slightly more than the others though, but not by a lot.

What will it be then? Or will I surprise everyone and end up with something else altogether? Stay tuned...
Blarno

Mazda


That Toyota thing is hideous.
Humphrey The Pug

You like that Sienta thing but are questioning the looks of the Prius?!
Giant

I'm guessing most of our suggestions will be ridiculously expensive based on conversations in the Lancer for sale thread.  

I had to google the SX4. The Prius is contender for ugliest car I've ever seen, that sienna is hideous. The others are a tad beige for a young motoring journalist. Surely there are other options?

How many miles do you do in your own car? Are you able to test drive/borrow vehicles regularly to suit your needs? My suggestion would be to revisit your idea of owning a classic like the Opel coupe you liked a couple of years back.
cbeaks1

M X 5
gooner

Mazda is my bet. The Suzuki is ok and perhaps the Cerato. I drove an Auris hybrid for a few days earlier in the week and it was incredibly economical when driving between 0 and 50mph, anything about that and with no electrical assistance the 1.8 petrol linked to a CVT box started to want revs and drink fuel without being the sort of drivetrain where either is a pleasant experience. So if you regularly do motorway speeds I'd avoid the Pious, but if most your driving is around town it's pure EV mode could save you some money.
Nice Guy Eddie

Your a car journo and these are you picks? Without being rude, which means I will be, even a seasoned What Car? Tester would come up with something less depressing than this bunch.

As a writer why haven't you got a free test car from a manufacturer? Even small time you tubers manage to blag free stuff.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

The Kia looks OK and even almost interesting, so that would be my pick from your list, though none of them are that inspiring - is there a really high tax on new cars in Singapore?
Big Blue

Alas car ownership in Singapore is such hard work and so high cost that Ben's choices are not exciting. Just owning your own car is a huge status jump.
Nice Guy Eddie

But a used mx5 must be cheaper than that lot. Need something sensible and Japanese, why not an Impreza. Something inbeteween, an S2000.

Are those cars you've posted really cheaper over three years. Don't forget you're going to get shafted by the CH company when you hand the car back.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Your a car journo and these are you picks? Without being rude, which means I will be, even a seasoned What Car? Tester would come up with something less depressing than this bunch.

As a writer why haven't you got a free test car from a manufacturer? Even small time you tubers manage to blag free stuff.


+1
Can't you get  a Fiesta Ecoboost on lease for a reasonable rate or are there import taxes that make European stuff too expensive compared to locally built cars?
Boxer6

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Your a car journo and these are you picks? Without being rude, which means I will be, even a seasoned What Car? Tester would come up with something less depressing than this bunch.

As a writer why haven't you got a free test car from a manufacturer? Even small time you tubers manage to blag free stuff.


+1
Can't you get  a Fiesta Ecoboost on lease for a reasonable rate or are there import taxes that make European stuff too expensive compared to locally built cars?


I wonder what, if anything, Singapore cunts as 'local'?

Going by what Ben has said before, anything even remotely interesting is into the stratosphere price-wise, no matter whether buying, leasing or whatever. Plus the gummint actively seeks to discourage anything over 10 (I think) years old at all. Rock/hard place.
Roadsterstu

Boxer6 wrote:
Singapore cunts


How rude!

Ben, you're young and a motoring journo. You need something that's bit of fun, provided the costs are affordable.

Definitely not a Prius.
Boxer6

Roadsterstu wrote:
Boxer6 wrote:
Singapore cunts


How rude!

Ben, you're young and a motoring journo. You need something that's bit of fun, provided the costs are affordable.

Definitely not a Prius.


Oops!  

Definitely NOT meant on this occasion.
PhilD

Re: The next Ben mobile

BeN wrote:
(I don't actually call my car "The Ben Mobile")



I hope you don't as that would be your phone, or maybe something you hang over your bed...
gooner

Boxer6 wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Boxer6 wrote:
Singapore cunts


How rude!

Ben, you're young and a motoring journo. You need something that's bit of fun, provided the costs are affordable.

Definitely not a Prius.


Oops!  

Definitely NOT meant on this occasion.


I think the programmers of the autocorrect function on modern devices are starting to get a bit too passive-aggressive!
Big Blue

Fairly certain used MX5s are like rocking horse shit in SG. Then owning an old car presents more issues with being allowed to keep it on the road; then paying for it won't be on a lease either.

A Subaru BRZ is $1000 per month (just under £600) probably with a huge deposit as the list is $140k. Europeans have it relatively easy.
Roadsterstu

Having just looked here http://clleasing.com.sg/fleet/leasing?gclid=CKbr37GC888CFQ5mGwod5_4EXg I see your point BB!
BeN

In an ideal world I would like a cheap first-gen MX-5, but there's no such thing here. Any remaining MX-5s left running around are now at a premium because most of them have gone to the scrapper due to our stupid rules. Just take a look here if you don't believe me.

Eddie, same goes for S2000s and Imprezas.

Chris M, all cars are expensive here. We have no locally built cars (that's Malaysia), but generally Asian cars are somewhat cheaper than Europeans because of the exchange rate and lower shipping costs.

Truth be told I don't think I'll be driving my own car all that often (as it is the Lancer doesn't see much use from me) so I'm actually not all that fussy about my choices. I don't get a press car all the time, so for the days that I don't a normal car will suffice.

Boxer and BB are broadly correct. Buying a car is financially difficult and any sort of automotive fun is highly discouraged here. I still get to drive nice cars in the course of my work so it's not like I'm missing out on too much. All I ask for from my daily drive is that it runs and is reasonably affordable.
DetmoldDick

Are K cars available in Singapore?
BeN

DetmoldDick wrote:
Are K cars available in Singapore?


Sadly no. They used to be back in the 90s, but now it's just too prohibitively expensive to justify bringing them in.
Michael

BeN wrote:

Truth be told I don't think I'll be driving my own car all that often (as it is the Lancer doesn't see much use from me) so I'm actually not all that fussy about my choices. I don't get a press car all the time, so for the days that I don't a normal car will suffice.


Sounds like a very expensive ornament - and not a particularly attractive one at that.. Given you were posting on Facebook recently about needing to borrow money it strikes me that blowing it on a car is wasteful in the extreme.
Grampa

BeN wrote:
In an ideal world I would like a cheap first-gen MX-5, but there's no such thing here. Any remaining MX-5s left running around are now at a premium because most of them have gone to the scrapper due to our stupid rules. Just take a look here if you don't believe me.


£80,000 for an MX5??!!!

No wonder you're looking at the cars you are - of the ones you list, for me it would be the Kia - but I'd be tempted to hang on till the new Rio comes out - going on Kia's normal form it will be a very good looking car and is reported to be a big improvement on the way it drives.

Presumably buying a car in the UK and having it shipped over is not viable?
Martin

Why don't you just hire a car when you really need one, or if you're still writing about cars, blag one when the need arises?
Giant

I know this is a forum for car enthusiasts, but Given the government seem to be pushing the populace to public transport and taxis with the extreme taxation, why not succumb to the system? Sounds like running a car in Singapore is an expensive and miserable pastime.

You mention the lancer sees little use, so sinking a huge chunk of money into a lease for another that may see similar (lack of.) use seems indulgant/foolish.
BeN

Michael wrote:
BeN wrote:

Truth be told I don't think I'll be driving my own car all that often (as it is the Lancer doesn't see much use from me) so I'm actually not all that fussy about my choices. I don't get a press car all the time, so for the days that I don't a normal car will suffice.


Sounds like a very expensive ornament - and not a particularly attractive one at that.. Given you were posting on Facebook recently about needing to borrow money it strikes me that blowing it on a car is wasteful in the extreme.


That was a short term thing. It's settled now.
BeN

Giant wrote:
I know this is a forum for car enthusiasts, but Given the government seem to be pushing the populace to public transport and taxis with the extreme taxation, why not succumb to the system? Sounds like running a car in Singapore is an expensive and miserable pastime.

You mention the lancer sees little use, so sinking a huge chunk of money into a lease for another that may see similar (lack of.) use seems indulgant/foolish.


I wrote about Singapore's public transport system and its failings elsewhere. It's not all hyped up as it's made to be.

It won't be a huge chunk of money. The costs will be manageable, plus the sale of my Lancer does give me a bit of leeway with cash.
Nice Guy Eddie

This is all too depressing, just move to Australia
BeN

Martin wrote:
Why don't you just hire a car when you really need one, or if you're still writing about cars, blag one when the need arises?


I've done the sums and the costs of hiring (or even taking taxis) come up to broadly about the same as leasing a car. Plus much as I would love to blag a car as and when I like, it doesn't always work that way.
BeN

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
This is all too depressing, just move to Australia


If only I could...
BeN

Grampa wrote:
BeN wrote:
In an ideal world I would like a cheap first-gen MX-5, but there's no such thing here. Any remaining MX-5s left running around are now at a premium because most of them have gone to the scrapper due to our stupid rules. Just take a look here if you don't believe me.


Presumably buying a car in the UK and having it shipped over is not viable?


Sadly no. It'll still be ridiculously expensive with all the import taxes.
Nice Guy Eddie

BeN wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
This is all too depressing, just move to Australia


If only I could...


You mean there isn't enough points in being a car journalist to get in to Aus. How about becoming a BBQ journalist instead?
Roadsterstu

What do the yoof (that can afford it) drive over there? Is there anything in the way of car clubs or forums?
PG

Roadsterstu wrote:
Having just looked here http://clleasing.com.sg/fleet/leasing?gclid=CKbr37GC888CFQ5mGwod5_4EXg I see your point BB!


I think I'd consider walking everywhere at those rates!

I suspect the Honda HRV is so popular as it is the only thing that seems remotely interesting on those lease pages. I'd probably go with that or some small city car - like a Aygo or something.  

Seriously though, if cars are so expensive in Singapore, why do the manufacturers invite you to all the stuff they do and let you drive the stuff you do? Somebody must be buying all that really expensive machinery out there. Who?
PhilD

BeN wrote:


Chris M, all cars are expensive here.


That being the case why go for the world's ugliest 7 seater MPV? What are the lease deals based on if not price?
Blarno

Get a bike.
DetmoldDick

Blarno wrote:
Get a bike.


You beat me to it. I was looking at motorbike prices and they don't seem quite as outrageous as car prices.

https://www.sgbikemart.com.sg/usedbikes/triumph-daytona-675r-30315
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Blarno wrote:
Get a bike.

I was starting to think of that option too......
PhilD

A bike, an Uber account an is there any shared car/car pool// Zip car type thing there?
BeN

PG wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Having just looked here http://clleasing.com.sg/fleet/leasing?gclid=CKbr37GC888CFQ5mGwod5_4EXg I see your point BB!


Seriously though, if cars are so expensive in Singapore, why do the manufacturers invite you to all the stuff they do and let you drive the stuff you do? Somebody must be buying all that really expensive machinery out there. Who?


There are quite a lot of fairly well-off people on our island. A mixture of well paid expats and greedy local bankers. Some have even dubbed us the Monaco of the East (which I agree to some extent but not entirely). Not for nothing are the BMW 5 Series and Mercedes E-Class the best selling cars here.

The rest of us regular folk, those who want a car finance the hell out of it, or simply go without. I'm in a relatively fortunate position where I can afford a 'normal' car but not anything fun or interesting, because there's no such thing as a cheap fun car here. Anything remotely fun is stupidly expensive purely due to rarity. I mean, if you're paying through your nose for what is likely to be your one and only car, most people will just go the practical route and opt for something boring.
BeN

Roadsterstu wrote:
What do the yoof (that can afford it) drive over there? Is there anything in the way of car clubs or forums?


I think the youths here can be broadly classified in three categories:

Middle class: Most don't drive, or if they can stretch to it, opt for what I've listed above, or maybe even smaller stuff like the Honda Jazz and etc.

Silver spoon: Varies. At the lower end they often go for pseudo-sporty models like a Scirocco or WRX or something along those lines. At the upper echelons anything goes (Lambo, Bentley etc).

Working professional (usually in banking/finance): The need to 'keep up' with their peers means that these folks typically go for an entry level premium brand. Audi A4, BMW 3 Series, etc.
BeN

PhilD wrote:
A bike, an Uber account an is there any shared car/car pool// Zip car type thing there?


There is Uber. It is something I am seriously considering doing with the new car given my job flexibility.
Giant

10hour double post.
Racing Teatray

The Mazda. It's the only one that looks remotely like you might have actively chosen it without having first undergone a lobotomy. Never mind the engine.
PhilD

BeN wrote:
PhilD wrote:
A bike, an Uber account an is there any shared car/car pool// Zip car type thing there?


There is Uber. It is something I am seriously considering doing with the new car given my job flexibility.


An angle I hadn't considered! In that case, 90% of the Ubers I get are Prius's's's
Big Blue

Honda Vezel out of the choices. If everyone else has one it's because they're good. Order a really gauche colour to stand out: orange or lime green with contrast interior like black with whatever outside colour you've chosen.

How much does it cost to run an R1 / Blade / GSX-R?
Roadsterstu

Big Blue wrote:
Honda Vezel out of the choices. If everyone else has one it's because they're good. Order a really gauche colour to stand out: orange or lime green with contrast interior like black with whatever outside colour you've chosen.

How much does it cost to run an R1 / Blade / GSX-R?


Given the horrendous costs and severly limiting regulations, I'm inined to agree with BB on the Vezel, for the same reasons. Second coice would be the Mazda 3 although would a Mazda 2 also be worth consideration?
PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Honda Vezel out of the choices. If everyone else has one it's because they're good. Order a really gauche colour to stand out: orange or lime green with contrast interior like black with whatever outside colour you've chosen.

How much does it cost to run an R1 / Blade / GSX-R?


Given the horrendous costs and severly limiting regulations, I'm inined to agree with BB on the Vezel, for the same reasons. Second coice would be the Mazda 3 although would a Mazda 2 also be worth consideration?


Hadn't spotted the Vezel option. There's an HRV near me and I like it. Mind you this is well specced with decent sized wheels and full leather inside. I imagine a white one on shirt buttons with cloth is pretty grim.
BeN

I don't have a motorbike license BB...
PhilD

BeN wrote:
I don't have a motorbike license BB...


Do an intensive course and write about it. Something along on the lines of "cars are so expensive more and more folks are turning to motorbikes for the commute, so I thought I'd join them see what all the fuss is about"
Big Blue

From what I see on a Daily basis most of my fellow motorcycle commuters don't have a license either. And very stressed guardian angels.
BeN

PhilD wrote:
BeN wrote:
I don't have a motorbike license BB...


Do an intensive course and write about it. Something along on the lines of "cars are so expensive more and more folks are turning to motorbikes for the commute, so I thought I'd join them see what all the fuss is about"


I have thought about it but my parents are dead set against me having a motorbike license, so I've decided to at least hold it off while they're still around to avoid giving them even more stress in old age.

Also, Singaporean drivers are not exactly the most polite towards motorcyclists for some reason (partly why my parents don't want me to ride), and I've seen quite a number of accidents involving motorbikes caused by drivers who simply did not give a fuck. On my part I try to be very careful but sometimes some bikers don't really help themselves with their attitudes too.
Giant

BeN wrote:
PhilD wrote:
BeN wrote:
I don't have a motorbike license BB...


Do an intensive course and write about it. Something along on the lines of "cars are so expensive more and more folks are turning to motorbikes for the commute, so I thought I'd join them see what all the fuss is about"


I have thought about it but my parents are dead set against me having a motorbike license, so I've decided to at least hold it off while they're still around to avoid giving them even more stress in old age.

Also, Singaporean drivers are not exactly the most polite towards motorcyclists for some reason (partly why my parents don't want me to ride), and I've seen quite a number of accidents involving motorbikes caused by drivers who simply did not give a fuck. On my part I try to be very careful but sometimes some bikers don't really help themselves with their attitudes too.


Sounds like even more reason to get one, there could be a whole series of articles to be written about changing drivers attitudes,getting the government to encourage their use, your experiences, your parents concerns etc..
Boxer6

Giant wrote:
 <snip>

Sounds like even more reason to get one, there could be a whole series of articles to be written about changing drivers attitudes,getting the government to encourage their use, your experiences, your parents concerns etc..



.. the taste & quality of hospital food, waiting times for x-rays, how many bones you had broken . . . .

 
PhilD

Boxer6 wrote:
Giant wrote:
 <snip>

Sounds like even more reason to get one, there could be a whole series of articles to be written about changing drivers attitudes,getting the government to encourage their use, your experiences, your parents concerns etc..



.. the taste & quality of hospital food, waiting times for x-rays, how many bones you had broken . . . .

 


and plenty of 'spare' time to write them  
BeN

We'll see. Let me go get some good insurance coverage first...
Giant

Given the sale is agreed for the old car, is the urgency for the new one going to be stepped up?

Given the Honda HRV/Vezel is current favourite, how about the new Toyota HCR(?) CHR (?)

This:



I think it looks great.
BeN

No hurry. My car will only be handed over to the new owner on the 15th so it'll only be after then when I'll decide on the next move.

The C-HR does look great and I predict it'll sell well, but it's not quite on sale yet.
Michael

Given you don't really need the car surely something reasonably decent is worth holding out for?
Nice Guy Eddie

Giant wrote:
Given the sale is agreed for the old car, is the urgency for the new one going to be stepped up?

Given the Honda HRV/Vezel is current favourite, how about the new Toyota HCR(?) CHR (?)

This:



I think it looks great.


Looks like a Megane on steroids
BeN

Michael wrote:
Given you don't really need the car surely something reasonably decent is worth holding out for?


I'll see how it goes.
BeN

I think I can definitively say now, the Sienta is off the list. It's just terrible.
Nice Guy Eddie

I could have told you that from the comfort of my sofa.
BeN

Before I reveal what I've finally decided upon, a quick tally of what you guys thought:

Mazda 3 - 3 votes
Kia Cerato - 2 votes
Honda Vezel/HR-V - 4 votes

And so, in classic forum tradition, I have gone against all advice and got myself a...Toyota Prius.



Now, now, before I get lynched and exiled from this place, let me explain my choice.

If I'm going to drive Uber with this (which I will), I figured I might as well get something frugal and economical. And having test driven the Prius fairly extensively, I've seen that the car is well able to return 25km/L (or about 70mpg in UK-speak) easily without breaking a sweat. If I really wanted to go for it a figure of about 95mpg is quite achievable.

The new one is not all that terrible to drive too, certainly much better as compared to the previous version. It's not outright fast by any means, but it is quite zippy, and that could be useful in urban traffic. There's also lots of space inside, and while I know the looks are, erm, challenging, I don't really mind it too much to be honest.

I consider myself fairly open-minded so I'd thought I'd give the Prius a chance. It suits my needs mostly and I like it, so go ahead, judge away. (I think this might even be the first forum Prius?)

Pictures soon.
Bob Sacamano

Nice Guy Eddie

Not just a Prius but the new even uglier Prius!

To be fair if you're going to be an Uber driver than its probably the best choice. Enjoy
PG

Now if you'd said you were going to be Ubering your next car, we'd all have just said "get a Prius.  

The reviews of the new Prius do seem to rate it better then the old model. Except on the looks, which as you say are a bit challenging.
PhilD

PG wrote:
Now if you'd said you were going to be Ubering your next car, we'd all have just said "get a Prius.  



You think?  

PhilD wrote:
BeN wrote:
PhilD wrote:
A bike, an Uber account an is there any shared car/car pool// Zip car type thing there?


There is Uber. It is something I am seriously considering doing with the new car given my job flexibility.


An angle I hadn't considered! In that case, 90% of the Ubers I get are Prius's's's
Big Blue

Surely a Panamera for the more discerning Singaporean passengers?

Practical choice in a market of huge restrictions. Do you get the Uber assistance in purchasing a Prius?
BeN

Big Blue wrote:
Surely a Panamera for the more discerning Singaporean passengers?

Practical choice in a market of huge restrictions. Do you get the Uber assistance in purchasing a Prius?


Somewhat. I get cashback rebates if I hit minimum targets.
Roadsterstu

Good choice, Ben.
BeN

Thanks.

And here it is, in all its glory.







Giant

I like the white on black number plates...




Seems the  ideal choice for what you need. the looks are challenging to say the least, but credit to Toyota for trying something different. White accentuates the styling, which is what you need to do with something so bold.

Will be interested to hear your thoughts on it.

I assume it was a stock vehicle, do Prius' have much in the way of options?
Bob Sacamano

The thing about Prius is they have to look like a Prius - the shape is almost as much the brand as the powertrain.

The guy that runs our local chip shop has just got a new one of these in red and the looks are certainly challenging - made more challenging by the pictures of Elvis he's had applied to it. (There's a guy works down our chip shop swears he's Elvis - who knew?).

It looks perfect as an Uber in Singapore.
PhilD

Driving around London late Sunday night I saw a fair few Priuseseses. They do look much better at night (add your own joke here). The rear lights are pretty striking.


BeN

Giant wrote:

Will be interested to hear your thoughts on it.

I assume it was a stock vehicle, do Prius' have much in the way of options?


So far so good. As I mentioned it is incredibly frugal and reasonably zippy, good enough for most urban driving. And even for a hybrid it's eerily quiet, and refinement is generally excellent.

The car is indeed stock but even as it is it comes fairly well-equipped. There is a head-up display, keyless entry and reverse camera as standard, while options I think include leather and sunroof, neither of which I really need.
PhilD

Ben's Facebook has revealed why he needed such a large boot




Twelfth Monkey

Pah!  As a callow youth, you said Prius was an acronym for Pathetic Rubbish, It Ultimately Sucks.
BeN

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Pah!  As a callow youth, you said Prius was an acronym for Pathetic Rubbish, It Ultimately Sucks.


Well, that was like, 5 years ago? And I think it speaks volumes on how much they have improved in one generation such that the new one is miles better than the previous model.
PhilD

BeN wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Pah!  As a callow youth, you said Prius was an acronym for Pathetic Rubbish, It Ultimately Sucks.


Well, that was like, 5 years ago? And I think it speaks volumes on how much they have improved in one generation such that the new one is miles better than the previous model.


Nice snug fit for the moonboots then?  
Andy C

BeN wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Pah!  As a callow youth, you said Prius was an acronym for Pathetic Rubbish, It Ultimately Sucks.


Well, that was like, 5 years ago? And I think it speaks volumes on how much they have improved in one generation such that the new one is miles better than the previous model.


Not in looks, surely ?
Michael

BeN wrote:
while options I think include leather .


Possibly one I'd have got if I was using my car as a cab!

Interesting choice, enjoy.
PhilD

Michael wrote:


Possibly one I'd have got if I was using my car as a cab!



Not a bad idea for a RDQ that.
Roadsterstu

Taxi!

BeN

Andy C wrote:
BeN wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Pah!  As a callow youth, you said Prius was an acronym for Pathetic Rubbish, It Ultimately Sucks.


Well, that was like, 5 years ago? And I think it speaks volumes on how much they have improved in one generation such that the new one is miles better than the previous model.


Not in looks, surely ?


Of course not, but I don't have to look at it while I'm driving...
Twelfth Monkey

BeN wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Pah!  As a callow youth, you said Prius was an acronym for Pathetic Rubbish, It Ultimately Sucks.


Well, that was like, 5 years ago? And I think it speaks volumes on how much they have improved in one generation such that the new one is miles better than the previous model.


And nothing to do with you wanting to seem all fast and furious?
TreVoR

I suspect (hope) Ben has matured in the last few years.
Twelfth Monkey

That's what I am trying to gently suggest!
TreVoR

I don't really do subtle.
Twelfth Monkey

Do I?
PhilD

BeN wrote:
Andy C wrote:
BeN wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Pah!  As a callow youth, you said Prius was an acronym for Pathetic Rubbish, It Ultimately Sucks.


Well, that was like, 5 years ago? And I think it speaks volumes on how much they have improved in one generation such that the new one is miles better than the previous model.


Not in looks, surely ?


Of course not, but I don't have to look at it while I'm driving...


Singaporian cities are all pretty new aren't they? lots of shiny reflective buildings I imagine. Just be careful is all I'm saying, you may give yourself a bit of a shock.
Frank Bullitt

Whilst I'm growing to like the Prius tech and the benefits, Toyota have completely screwed the styling up - the last one was tidy enough but the current car does have the appearance of being a Salvador Dali on acid restyle job; it's not even the detailing, the proportions are challenging.

Still, so long as you like it that's what matters and if you are Ubering, you need to perfect 'Awite Dawling'
BeN

TreVoR wrote:
I suspect (hope) Ben has matured in the last few years.


Well yeah, that too.  
Bob Sacamano

I'm going to go on Uber Singapore and start ordering cabs at all hours, hoping to get Ben.

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