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Grampa

The end

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35436741

I've seen more new ones over the last two years than ever before - presumably every last one coming off the production line was spoken for.

One question too: have we all driven one?

I've driven a few and worked in one for a summer - an Ice Cream van - it was a Land Rover, because it's 'patch' was the length of a beach.
JohnC

I drove one about 20 years ago and couldn't wait to get out of it. However the ones at PalmerSport are much more recent and are very good at what they do as well as being relatively comfortable.

It's a perfect tool for the job it was designed for.
Frank Bullitt

I have driven one, well, two to be accurate but only in their natural habitat and not on the road although I have passengered on-road.

For biffing about off-road they are simply incredible, especially having been shown how to do it properly at the Land Rover experience day - however, I don't have an emotional bond to them like other people do and I think you can get all the ability without the compromises they force; it is a sad reality that being 6'4" they are very awkward to drive - if I was less than 6' I would probably feel differently.

CAR have one of the last editions on test, it's not the cheery looking Heritage rather the £43k 110 with bling - it kinda misses the point although I can see why a fab would lap it up.
Scouse

Drove a really battered one on a 'jeep safari' in Turkey and a tow truck version years ago. Errm, different.
TreVoR

 Softies, the lot of you!  
JohnC

The one I drove on the road was probably 20 yrs old 20 years ago. The ventilation at the front was through flaps below the windscreen and they were stuck open, it was minus something and having scraped the ice off the outside I found that there was even more on the inside. We were going to pick up a racing car on a trailer from Perth and bring it back to Glasgow and really all I can remember about the trip was the cold and not wanting to do it again!
Nice Guy Eddie

Don't get them at all.

I've driven a series 2a, which was rather awful and a more modern, well it was R reg 90 very recently which was mildly more pleasurable. Give me a Landcruiser any day over a Defender.

To be fair to LR I'm not exactly their target market as they more make a stink rather then go like stink.

A lot of mates had them as first cars so I've done a lot of miles sat in the back with a few cans in my hand on the way to Rugby matches so they do bring back good memories.
simonp

Only driven one off road, as it was before I had a licence. When the owner took back control he got it bogged and we spent till 2am digging the bloody thing out!
Bob Sacamano

I must admit I'd prefer an old Landcruiser - as vehicle you really can abuse, leave parked up for ages , it'll start OK and keep going through everything.
Racing Teatray

Been in plenty but I have never driven one.

I am underbothered that they are ending production of what is frankly an anachronism.
Roadrunner

I have owned three and driven and ridden in plenty more. Perfect for the job, but time to move on to something more modern. Going by the standard of JLR's recent output, I am confident that the Defender's replacement wil be very good indeed.
TreVoR

Roadrunner wrote:
I have owned three and driven and ridden in plenty more. Perfect for the job, but time to move on to something more modern. Going by the standard of JLR's recent output, I am confident that the Defender's replacement wil be very good indeed.


Unfortunately, I think it will also be very expensive.
JohnC

TreVoR wrote:

Unfortunately, I think it will also be very expensive.


and quite possible be built in India or Eastern Europe!
PG

I'm sad to see production stop as it truly is an iconic vehicle and supports the history and heritage of the entire brand. But having missed two obvious opportunities to replace it already (when they stopped making the RR Classic and then the Discovery II), there was nowhere to go.

And for those who have said that it was never developed, a series 1 v the Defender is like chalk and cheese. A 90/110 and then Defender chassis is underneath a modified early 1980's RR Classic chassis.  

I'm sure the new one will probably divide opinion as much as the old one. But in opposite ways. It will be attractive to all those who bought them latterly, plus attract new people to the brand. Yet be hated by the die hard old fans as being [soft / urban / bling / too complex - choose words as you wish].

We owned one for over 10 years - a 1996 300Tdi. We did some of the things to it that LR never bothered to do - extra sound proofing, power upgrade, steering damper and anti-roll bars. It made it way better to drive on the road and as our off road work was towing and trucking stuff, it did all that brilliantly. But I did drive it to London and back in a day once and felt like I'd gone 15 rounds with M. Ali for about a week after.

The Defender is rather like the 911 is to Porsche. But Porsche were clever at moving the 911 on, although I seem to remember that the first "newer" 911's (when the engine moved inboard) were also hated by the true officianados. After all being far to easy to make go backwards through a hedge sorted the men from the boys.
Frank Bullitt

Where is the Defenders key market(s) these days?

I'm not sure many farmers buy them anymore, not the utility companies et-al who seem to have variations of the Ford Ranger-type product for rural use.

I guess most buyers are minted individuals with rose-tinted spectacles - I wouldn't worry about them getting more expensive, they are already ridiculously expensive anyway, no doubt down to the labour intensive build and the aforementioned typical buyer.  You'll never please the current fans with a car that has panels that don't look like they have been left in a driving range for a day, or a heater that works but I wonder if the 'Defender' brand should be almost 'beachy-surfey' rather than utility unless they want to drop the prices. A lot.
Tim

I drove a 52 plate 110 station wagon a few times about 3 years ago.
It was awful and I banged my elbow off the door every time I turned a corner, changed gear or blinked (possibly).
An old Shogun or something like that would be much more acceptable for 99.9% of the time and a helluva lot cheaper.
TreVoR

North East Powergrid have lots of Defenders.  We were without power for most of the morning and all the off road cherry pickers were Defenders - even the sub-contracting utility maintenance company had them.

I think you are right about not many farmers buying them these days over a Hilux or D-Max.  I'm not entirely sure what the main market was in the past few years as a lot of recent Defenders look very bling.  Saying that, I see an awful lot of Defenders around here most days.

I also agree that the latest models were dear, but they are a lot more refined than say a mid-90s 300Tdi and have heated screens, A/C etc. etc.  I've never driven a Series and I did draw the line at one of those as I didn't fancy cart springs on a daily car.

I don't mind the design of the mooted replacement but I don't see why they can't build it to a price.
Alf McQueef

I've driven one underwater (up to my head), wearing a drysuit, at a naval weapons research institute. Beat that!
Big Blue

Been in some but never at the wheel. Will avoid as much as possible in the future.
Grampa

Tim wrote:
I drove a 52 plate 110 station wagon a few times about 3 years ago.
It was awful and I banged my elbow off the door every time I turned a corner, changed gear or blinked (possibly).
An old Shogun or something like that would be much more acceptable for 99.9% of the time and a helluva lot cheaper.


All the new ones that suddenly appeared round here (as I mentioned earlier) have all mostly been bought by members of the commercial boating community - they looked lovely for about the first day I saw them (metallic paint, alloy wheels etc) - now at 12 months old most are showing battle scars.
TreVoR

This just popped up on my Facebook wall. https://youtu.be/VxvvWqE2ki8 Very labour intensive in terms of build - especially when you compare it to the MINI that was on the James May programme a couple of months ago.
Martin

I've only driven one off road, which it was fantastic at, but would be too cramped and uncomfortable for me on the road.
Humphrey The Pug

Only ever been in one; probably twenty years ago in the back of a LWB, I still remember the experience, it was slow, noisy and uncomfortable, I have never rushed to have another trip in one.
Scouse

Was it the Swiss army that ordered a bunch of defenders on Range Rover chassis?
JohnC

Scouse wrote:
Was it the Swiss army that ordered a bunch of defenders on Range Rover chassis?


Was that just so that they didn't look so minted?
TreVoR

100 inch chassis loses some of the drawbacks of the 90 (bouncy ride etc.) and all of the drawbacks of the 110 being too big.
franki68

My best friend bought one,i think I'd rather walk.
TreVoR

Does he have a TVR as well?   There does seem to be a correlation looking at some of the profiles of people masochists on PH and Blatters with Defenders.
tali

Ouch !
TreVoR

Source?
BeN

I don't think I've driven one but I've definitely sat in them. They still use them as military vehicles here, so I would have had some experience in them at some point.
Frank Bullitt

TreVoR wrote:
North East Powergrid have lots of Defenders.  We were without power for most of the morning and all the off road cherry pickers were Defenders - even the sub-contracting utility maintenance company had them.


I guess that's down to geography, it's as flat as a pancake around here although UK Power Networks run a few Unimog's, so there is a limited market for that sort of specialist vehicle.
TreVoR

Frank Bullitt wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
North East Powergrid have lots of Defenders.  We were without power for most of the morning and all the off road cherry pickers were Defenders - even the sub-contracting utility maintenance company had them.


I guess that's down to geography, it's as flat as a pancake around here although UK Power Networks run a few Unimog's, so there is a limited market for that sort of specialist vehicle.


I think they all use Unimogs for installing poles.
franki68

TreVoR wrote:
Does he have a TVR as well?   There does seem to be a correlation looking at some of the profiles of people masochists on PH and Blatters with Defenders.


No, just terrible taste.
Seriously he is a big earning, single doctor who dreamed along with me of owning a 911 when we were kids.i took him on a pec day a few years ago and he was buzzing the whole way home ,quizzing me about what 911 To buy.
A week later he calls me to tell me he bought a car ....a Hyundai coupe .
JohnC

It must be something about being a doctor - most of my doctor clients run around in old cars and don't care about them at all. There is one exception who has a CLS63 and a GL.

Dentists on the other hand all want (and tend to buy) a Porsche.
franki68

It actually gets worse because he just did buy a 911, he said He Would consult me,but then turned up in his surprise  acquisition
A 996,Carrera 4 tiptronic cab.

What do you say in such circumstances?
tali

TreVoR wrote:
Source?


Few guesses first ? :)
Boxer6

JohnC wrote:
It must be something about being a doctor - most of my doctor clients run around in old cars and don't care about them at all. There is one exception who has a CLS63 and a GL.

Dentists on the other hand all want (and tend to buy) a Porsche.


There was a dentist who used to park in our works car park a few years ago, despite several requests not to. His choice of steed at least granted him some degree of latitude on my part - a black B7 RS4!

Has to be said, though, he really was a shit driver; I followed him along the road one day, and he was booting it hard from stone cold; obviously not concerned with engine longevity . . .
JohnC

Having just completed many tax returns for doctors and dentists, if the NHS want to know where all the money is going, they need to look a bit closer to home!!  I know they're important but that much!! However some Premiership players still get more in a week than these guys get a year - complete madness!
Roadsterstu

I think the last time I went in a Defender was as a very young child, maybe 5 or 6. It was my uncle's. He'd driven one (possibly that same one), with a friend from London to Cape Town. That was in the 70s. After that he decided to do it on a push bike. Presumably for the challenge, not because the Land Rover was so bad.
I've never driven one but I'd be interested to, especially off road. I'm not at all sure who the new one is going to be aimed at.
Grampa

I wonder what significance of that seemingly unremarkable H plate was on the last one and why it was fitted on the production line?
TreVoR

HUE 166 was the first ever preproduction Land Rover.
Martin

Doesn't the first one have the same numbers and letters?  (HUE 166)
Bob Sacamano

Roadsterstu wrote:
I think the last time I went in a Defender was as a very young child, maybe 5 or 6. It was my uncle's. He'd driven one (possibly that same one), with a friend from London to Cape Town. That was in the 70s. After that he decided to do it on a push bike. Presumably for the challenge, not because the Land Rover was so bad.
I've never driven one but I'd be interested to, especially off road. I'm not at all sure who the new one is going to be aimed at.


The first time I was ever in a Defender was being driven around the site of what would become the M74 Gretna Bypass as a 6 year old child by my dad. I remember it well as I was in the back and fell out of the back door into a load of mud and the path of an excavator. I was bribed into secrecy and not telling my mum with a curly wurly and a pack of Panini stickers,
Grampa

TreVoR wrote:
HUE 166 was the first ever preproduction Land Rover.


Of course. Thank you.
tali

Grampa wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
HUE 166 was the first ever preproduction Land Rover.


Of course. Thank you.



Another first one -prices are shooting up-and i put my money in stocks!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231831870957
Martin

That price is ridiculous.

I bet TreVor could fix it up given a couple of weeks.
TreVoR

That is ludicrous.

Quick polish and it will be fine.  Doesn't need a MOT.  
Roadrunner

This looks a far beter project. Not far from me, either...

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C705227
Bob Sacamano

Roadrunner wrote:
This looks a far beter project. Not far from me, either...

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C705227


Quote:
It runs and drives but has no brakes (leaking wheel cylinders) It was last MOTed in 2008 but is rust free. The front and rear of the chassis was replaced with new, the bulkhead is sound and the vehicle needs no welding.


Nah....it looks as though Trevor has already owned this at some point...

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