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Frank Bullitt

Test Sit - Range Rover SDV8 Autobiography

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Twelfth Monkey

When I was younger and first contemplated the notion of a dream garage, a Range Rover was always there for practical purposes etc.  No longer.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
When I was younger and first contemplated the notion of a dream garage, a Range Rover was always there for practical purposes etc.  No longer.

Snap !
Martin

Was it Nick Trott of Evo who ran and raved about a Range Rover Sport, until he swapped it for a 730d and realised that pretty much everything the RR did, the BMW (or probably any decent big saloon) did better?

I like the idea of enjoying the interior of a full fat RR, but suspect the ownership experience would disappoint.
Frank Bullitt

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Blarno

One of our dealers rocked up last week in an Autobiography of some kind. Definitely diesel, judging by the rev counter. I had to try and fit four wheels in the boot of it. For such a massive thing, the boot is relatively small - I had to move small items out of the boot into the back seat just to wedge them in.

Interior wise, the mags probably rave over them but I found it ostentatious and rather like piloting a large house in Cheshire. The carpets reminded me of 70s shag pile and the wood was slippery as ski slopes.

I did like the automatic fold-out steps when you open the door. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't confuse them.

Not my cup of tea at all and even if I found myself in the position to afford such a vehicle, my money would go elsewhere.
Racing Teatray

Do they still have the split-folding tailgate? I do like that as a feature.

Yesterday I spotted a rather smart first gen X5 4.8is with its boot open - I never realised the X5 had the split tail gate as well. Do later versions have it?
Frank Bullitt

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PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
Do they still have the split-folding tailgate? I do like that as a feature.



Gone from the new Disco but I think there is now a pop out ledge/seat.
Michael

Yes the X5 still has a split boot.
PG

It's interesting how views on the RR have changed over time. I had two Classics (a diesel and a V8), selling the V8 in 2001.

Back then for me I'd say the V8 Vogue auto was just the best vehicle going (well, except for a B road blast, but that's not what they ever were intended for). Hugely comfortable for long trips, towed with ease, looked good clean or covered in filth, safe in all weathers. I did 90,000 miles in the V8.

I still liked the following P38 style, got used to the earlier versions of the L322 BMW-ist but always thought that they went all Cheshire and I thought the latest model was rather large and in-your-face. Then I drove one and loved it and it reminded me all over again why I like Range Rovers.

But I'm not sure I'd have one. The image has gone too far urban-naff and not enough mud and nature.

Also, a RR Classic is probably about the same size as a current Disco Sport - how stuff has grown. So a Disco sport with a decent petrol engine in a non-chav style is probably what I'd choose now instead (if they ever get on and do a petrol version).
franki68

I just hate  'its the best car in the world' nonsense surrounding it,the basis being you can go offroad in it and  waft around in it,what about the numerous things it is shit at ?
Racing Teatray

If I was buying a Range Rover, I'd get a classic 4.2 Vogue LSE in a sober dark metallic (but not black) without the Brooklands bodykit and then have it discreetly Overfinched (ie with the tuning, without the visuals).

Now that's how you rove your range...
PhilD

PG wrote:
It's interesting how views on the RR have changed over time...

...hugely comfortable for long trips, towed with ease, looked good clean or covered in filth, safe in all weathers...

...I still liked the following P38 style, got used to the earlier versions of the L322 BMW-ist but always thought that they went all Cheshire and I thought the latest model was rather large and in-your-face.



For me the Discovery entered the original RR territory with the Series 3. Shame it too is now going the same Cheshire way.
Tim

As others have said, I always had a Range Rover in my dream garage when I was younger.
That was back in the days when they were an infrequent sighting, usually seen doing 80+ in the fast lane, mudflaps trailing horizontally and they always had that slight lean to the driver's side.

Wouldn't have one now, although a P38 version has a slight appeal.
TreVoR

Tim wrote:
As others have said, I always had a Range Rover in my dream garage when I was younger.
That was back in the days when they were an infrequent sighting, usually seen doing 80+ in the fast lane, mudflaps trailing horizontally and they always had that slight lean to the driver's side.

Wouldn't have one now, although a P38 version has a slight appeal.


The P38 has improved with age. They are pretty cheap too. I must resist the temptation.
PG

TreVoR wrote:
The P38 has improved with age. They are pretty cheap too. I must resist the temptation.


Yes, a really clean P38 has a lot of dangerous appeal. Although I suspect that they may not have aged well. I think specced carefully, the Mk 1 RR Sport was the spiritual successor to the P38 Rangie. They almost looked like a squared off version of it and were about the same size. A de-chjavved early  RRS (smaller wheels, plain colour, no privacy glass) has some appeal for that reason too.
gonnabuildabuggy

Racing Teatray wrote:
Do they still have the split-folding tailgate? I do like that as a feature.

Yesterday I spotted a rather smart first gen X5 4.8is with its boot open - I never realised the X5 had the split tail gate as well. Do later versions have it?


Leamington Spa?

It was seeing a lovely first gen (E53?) X5 4.8iS that got the X5 back onto my potentials list. The first gen is definitely a better size but the reality of running the older model as our main family car (and the higher tax and fuel economy) made the gen 2. a better option.

If I win the pools then maybe I'll swap it for a 4.8iS but I'd need a pools win to afford the fuel bills on those.

The later models still have the split tailgate, which I like, though the bottom flap is manual on BMW's.

PG wrote:
Also, a RR Classic is probably about the same size as a current Disco Sport - how stuff has grown. So a Disco sport with a decent petrol engine in a non-chav style is probably what I'd choose now instead (if they ever get on and do a petrol version).


The Disco Sport is probably the ideal family car for us but at the moment a) They are too new for our budget b) lots of stories of reliability issues c) I'd want a 3.0 engine really or a decent powered petrol and neither are available.

TreVoR wrote:
The P38 has improved with age. They are pretty cheap too. I must resist the temptation.


Agree, ideal extra car and nice project but you need to buy with your eyes wide open. A P38 Holland and Holland would be a very nice thing to waft in.

PG wrote:
I think specced carefully, the Mk 1 RR Sport was the spiritual successor to the P38 Rangie. They almost looked like a squared off version of it and were about the same size. A de-chjavved early  RRS (smaller wheels, plain colour, no privacy glass) has some appeal for that reason too.


Agree

Racing Teatray wrote:
If I was buying a Range Rover, I'd get a classic 4.2 Vogue LSE in a sober dark metallic (but not black) without the Brooklands bodykit and then have it discreetly Overfinched (ie with the tuning, without the visuals).


Perhaps the ultimate of all of the above.
Frank Bullitt

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TreVoR

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
The P38 has improved with age. They are pretty cheap too. I must resist the temptation.


Agree, ideal extra car and nice project but you need to buy with your eyes wide open. A P38 Holland and Holland would be a very nice thing to waft in.


A mate of mine in the village has one.  Only paid £1,500 for it.
Racing Teatray

PG wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
The P38 has improved with age. They are pretty cheap too. I must resist the temptation.


Yes, a really clean P38 has a lot of dangerous appeal. Although I suspect that they may not have aged well. I think specced carefully, the Mk 1 RR Sport was the spiritual successor to the P38 Rangie. They almost looked like a squared off version of it and were about the same size. A de-chjavved early  RRS (smaller wheels, plain colour, no privacy glass) has some appeal for that reason too.


Our deputy CEO drives a dark green 58-plate RRS TDV8, bought new (he had the full fat RR, also green, before) which has none of the blingyness and is usually very mucky. It does look suitably patrician.
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
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Erm....?
Bob Sacamano

Our MD has a full fat Range Rover, Vogue I think it is. I borrow it sometimes to go to Scotland and it's a lovely piece of kit. There's a sense of occasion getting in and it cossets you in heated leather and a relaxed, loping gait. I would say that anyone who thinks that a 730d is a better car would need their bumps felt! Although, I think they were referring to a RR Sport.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

^ Doesn't the RR roll/deflect rather a lot in cross-winds? I was once a passenger in an older RR heading north from Dundee, and a gentle breeze was enough to have it behaving like an ocean liner in a storm
Bob Sacamano

No it doesn't.
Scouse

There's a black RR Vogue parked across the road at the moment. No bling, sensible wheels, covered in road grime. Looks the dogs bollocks.
Michael

Roadsterstu wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
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Erm....?


Doing an Alan?
PhilD

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
^ Doesn't the RR roll/deflect rather a lot in cross-winds? I was once a passenger in an older RR heading north-West from Dundee, and a gentle breeze was enough to have it behaving like an ocean liner in a storm


FYP
Nice Guy Eddie

I love the RR when you're cruising around like you've got your granny in the back but turn the driving upto even a 6 and it falls on its arse. If your never in a hurry it's all the car you'd ever need.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

PhilD wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
^ Doesn't the RR roll/deflect rather a lot in cross-winds? I was once a passenger in an older RR heading north-West from Dundee, and a gentle breeze was enough to have it behaving like an ocean liner in a storm


FYP


Not quite - north-east if anything as we were heading for somewhere just outside Brechin. The first bit of the A90 out of Dundee is almost due north, until you get near Forfar (I wonder if the excellent Chinese restaurant is still there?)
Stuntman

^^^ I think Phil's post-fixing-point was that if you were indeed heading North West from Dundee, you'd soon be in the water - and rather glad of the Range Rover behaving like an ocean liner in a storm?  Although if so, you'd need to be heading North East!
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
^^^ I think Phil's post-fixing-point was that if you were indeed heading North West from Dundee, you'd soon be in the water - and rather glad of the Range Rover behaving like an ocean liner in a storm?  Although if so, you'd need to be heading North East!


Haha. I'm not that smart! They were heading North but, you know, the cross winds...
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Stuntman wrote:
if you were indeed heading North West from Dundee, you'd soon be in the water.....


If you head south from Dundee you soon discover the water; Great Scott, I wonder if the LR Discovery was named after RRS Discovery???

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