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Alf McQueef

Test sit - new C class

One of the dealers I spend a lot of time with has just got a new C class (C220 in AMG spec with the nice multispoke 19's). It is very, very nice inside - I know it appeals to the child in me but I really like current Merc interiors. The impact is similar to some of the better Alfa interiors of the past, overtly sporty, nice dials, chunky small wheel, but in this case underscored with decent quality as well. I doubt it is real leather but the leather effect stitching on the door cards and dash top is very nice, the wheel and switches feel nice. I like it. A big contrast to the more austere BMW setup, and although I would still rather not have it, the add-on screen looks better looking a bit aftermarket as it does in the Merc, than added on top as in BMW's - at least the dash behind it has a better shape.

Impressive. A shame there are no knock-down lease rates on petrol variants of decent power, even if there was an equally well-reviewed 328i equivalent I'd consider it, at the right lease rates.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Re: Test sit - new C class

Alf McQueef wrote:
A shame there are no petrol variants of decent power.

FYP
Alf McQueef

Re: Test sit - new C class

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Alf McQueef wrote:
A shame there are no petrol variants of decent power.

FYP


Indeed! By 328i equivalent I mean 250bhp+...
Sav

The C450 is out shortly but won't be coming to the UK.
JohnC

Re: Test sit - new C class

Alf McQueef wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Alf McQueef wrote:
A shame there are no petrol variants of decent power.

FYP


Indeed! By 328i equivalent I mean 250bhp+...


By not adopting the 3 litre diesels, Merc have some big power gaps in their range, from the 2 litre petrols and diesels around 200hp to the AMG 4 cylinder at c350hp and a massive price hike.

They sorely need something around the 275hp. I agree on the interior of the new C Class which certainly makes you take notice and is nicely finished. I am not 100% taken by the exterior look of the car though but I have seen some recently with the panoramic roof and in lighter colours I think it makes a massive difference.
Alf McQueef

I am also very fond of the new nose that the E class coupe adopted at its facelift - and which seems to be on the E class as well now. I have seen a few very nice looking E63 AMG's recently, there seem to be far more on the road than M5's, in my experience... I think the last M5 I saw was on the back of a truck, months ago, I see E63 AMG's quite often.
Martin

Re: Test sit - new C class

JohnC wrote:
By not adopting the 3 litre diesels, Merc have some big power gaps in their range, from the 2 litre petrols and diesels around 200hp to the AMG 4 cylinder at c350hp and a massive price hike.

They sorely need something around the 275hp. I agree on the interior of the new C Class which certainly makes you take notice and is nicely finished. I am not 100% taken by the exterior look of the car though but I have seen some recently with the panoramic roof and in lighter colours I think it makes a massive difference.


I agree and the 2.2 diesels are past there best now too.  I did like the new C Class inside, but it's too small in the back for me, my eldest wouldn't be able to fit comfortably and he's only just about to turn 13.  I don't like the saloon, but the estate looks OK from most angles.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

I joked a while back that - given UK sales - the 5 series range would soon consist only of 520d and M5. Mercedes seem set on turning this into a reality, given the yawning chasm between the C63 AMG and the rest of the range.

At Geneva, I was looking round the C-Class with a guy who owned a previous model C350 petrol, and we were both interested to know about a future six-cylinder version. But it's beginning to look as if such a thing will be for the US only.
gooner

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
I joked a while back that - given UK sales - the 5 series range would soon consist only of 520d and M5. Mercedes seem set on turning this into a reality, given the yawning chasm between the C63 AMG and the rest of the range.

At Geneva, I was looking round the C-Class with a guy who owned a previous model C350 petrol, and we were both interested to know about a future six-cylinder version. But it's beginning to look as if such a thing will be for the US only.


I guess the numbers just don't add up when it comes to sales of the V6 models.
JohnC

gooner wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
I joked a while back that - given UK sales - the 5 series range would soon consist only of 520d and M5. Mercedes seem set on turning this into a reality, given the yawning chasm between the C63 AMG and the rest of the range.

At Geneva, I was looking round the C-Class with a guy who owned a previous model C350 petrol, and we were both interested to know about a future six-cylinder version. But it's beginning to look as if such a thing will be for the US only.


I guess the numbers just don't add up when it comes to sales of the V6 models.


That's what I don't quite understand though - if someone wants a V6 petrol or diesel, they aren't going to buy a 2 litre 4 pot, so you lose them from the brand as they go elsewhere.
I appreciate that RHD might present some problems but if you are going to produce a V6 for the American market, is it really a massive extra cost to supply it in Europe too?
gonnabuildabuggy

JohnC wrote:
gooner wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
I joked a while back that - given UK sales - the 5 series range would soon consist only of 520d and M5. Mercedes seem set on turning this into a reality, given the yawning chasm between the C63 AMG and the rest of the range.

At Geneva, I was looking round the C-Class with a guy who owned a previous model C350 petrol, and we were both interested to know about a future six-cylinder version. But it's beginning to look as if such a thing will be for the US only.


I guess the numbers just don't add up when it comes to sales of the V6 models.


That's what I don't quite understand though - if someone wants a V6 petrol or diesel, they aren't going to buy a 2 litre 4 pot, so you lose them from the brand as they go elsewhere.
I appreciate that RHD might present some problems but if you are going to produce a V6 for the American market, is it really a massive extra cost to supply it in Europe too?


I suspect most people don't give a fig if it's a V6 Petrol/Diesel or 4 pot, just as long as it's got enough power and is cheap company car tax. I know a fair few people who could have much more powerful cars but go for the 2.0d option just because it's cheapest.

We are in a minority I'm afraid.

Can you still get a V8 E Class other than proper AMG?
Martin

No, you can't even have a V6 petrol saloon/estate, never mind a V8.

BMW will still sell you a 550i saloon, but they dropped the estate a while back.  Audi obviously do the S6 and RS6, but they're the only petrol models in the range iirc.  You can have a 520i/528i/535i or 550i, so plenty of petrol options from BMW.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

JohnC wrote:
That's what I don't quite understand though - if someone wants a V6 petrol or diesel, they aren't going to buy a 2 litre 4 pot, so you lose them from the brand as they go elsewhere.

Exactly - Mr C350 certainly didn't seem interested in a turbo four, no matter how powerful or (allegedly) efficient.

Martin wrote:
You can have a 520i/528i/535i or 550i, so plenty of petrol options from BMW.

Only one I'd seriously consider though. 528i is particularly annoying, being a 2.0 four masquerading as a bigger engine, while the 550i always makes me think why not just go for broke and get an M5.
Martin

Totally agree, but at least others have a choice.

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