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JohnC

Tesla S P85D

Not driven but a brief drive as a passenger.

I have just seen the future and it is faster than anything I have ever been in from a standing start.

The interior was nicely appointed as well as being massive. Plenty of premium feeling leather and alcantara on the dash and head lining. It was rather odd not having any door pockets and there seemed no reason at all, given that the door card was built out with apparently plenty of room.

The screen in the middle of the dashboard is massive (imagine a 19" PC monitor on its end or when the satnav is on, the AA road map taped to the dashboard) and seems to do anything and everything you could want. Apart from that the instrumentation is a bit basic with a speedo and the range noted in miles right in the middle of the screen.

The interior doesn't really grab you immediately the way an expensive German or Jaguar might but it is pretty well finished and I was growing to like it after my short experience with it. My main criticism is that there is almost too much space, it feels a bit sparse and you feel a bit exposed - it isn't an environment which envelopes you and makes you feel part of the vehicle.

It has two boots, one at the front and one at the rear. The front one is apparently a bit smaller in this model because it is 4WD but it is still twice the size of a 911 and there is a more than adequate boot at the back.

The car was on 20" or 21" wheels but it rode as well, if not better than most SLine/MSport equipped Germans.

It is the way this thing goes though which sets it apart. I have been in fast racing cars, 911 Turbos, M3's and none of them comes close to the feeling you get when a Tesla is launched: my head was thrown back and I felt a tingling in my legs as the blood struggled against the acceleration which was brutal. I don't know the numbers but 0 - 40 felt like a second and 60 was there a second or so later. No wheel spin, no drama but a mind warping sensation similar, I imagine, to being fired from a canon or catapult.

The other cars mentioned above would start to get back on level terms once they were moving but it really was something, from a motoring perspective, which was completely alien to me. Thinking about it, the Aerosmith ride at Disney is probably the closest experience I have had (and they make you put your head on the headrest before you go). There is no build up , no wheelspin, no slack in the drivetrain, it is instantaneous: an explosion of acceleration which snaps your neck back and messes with your senses.

If you ever get an opportunity to have a go in one of these grab it with both hands.
Michael

They fascinate me and I would grab the opportunity to have a go in one eagerly so thanks for sharing.
I agree with you on the interior, it lacks the luxury the price implies.
I'd love them to do an estate version, it's something I could happily work towards.
Martin

Amazing car, I'd love to have a go in one.

I recently posted a couple of Videos my eldest showed me in the YouTube thread of it up against some quick cars.
simonp

Leaves most off the line, but they catch up as the speeds increase. Need something like the McLaren or Ferrari F12 to give it a proper race, which is pretty amazing really.
Nice Guy Eddie

The performance stats are outstanding however I can't get on with the interior as to me it feels and looks rather cheap. I'd love to have a drive of one to feel if it's any good or if it's like the diesel brigade who use to go on about torque and how  fast their cars were but in reality could never replace pet told for the enthusiast
Boxer6

Oddly enough, I passed one this afternoon which was parked up (in Possil, of all places!!) and reversed to have a look as I didn't actually recognise it at first!

The driver/owner came out just as I was perusing it; loves the car, "gets off the line like a scalded cat" as he put it but pays for it as he watches the battery level plummet!!

In a rather nice metallic red, he reckoned there are only 4 or 5 in the West of Scotland so far. It does look good I have to say.
Humphrey The Pug

A temporary Tesla dealer has opened up within 10 minutes walking distance from work, I intend on popping along for a look at some point, as well as a full car in the showroom they also have an exposed chassis on display too.

I think they are fantastic looking cars and I've always been intrigued by them, used to see a fair few about but now I see so many that that they are almost as common as a 5 series or E-Class; Weybridge is an ideal place to sell them.
Bob Sacamano

Strangely, a friend posted yesterday on facebook about going out in his mate's new Tesla Model S. He's a real petrolhead and was completely blown away by the 0-60mph time of less than 3 seconds and the huge 19" screen in the dash. He's got an Audi S8 and he said getting back in that afterwards was like going back in time.
JohnC

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
The performance stats are outstanding however I can't get on with the interior as to me it feels and looks rather cheap. I'd love to have a drive of one to feel if it's any good or if it's like the diesel brigade who use to go on about torque and how  fast their cars were but in reality could never replace pet told for the enthusiast


The interior is apparently meant to be a minimalist look but when there is nowhere to put your sunglasses, I think they have gone a bit far.

The driving is totally different from any internal combustion engine. First of all, it is silent from the drive train so there is no chance the "enthusiast" will enjoy that part of the experience. The power delivery is also very different: it is linear and it is just a matter of how much linear power you want. It will amble along at city driving speeds very smoothly with complete ease but if you mash the loud pedal the explosive acceleration is something which only a handful of massively expensive large petrol engine cars could match.

I didn't get anything like long enough in the car to fully appreciate or experience all the Tesla had to offer but I understand that it explodes forward at any UK legal speed but once going a really fast petrol would catch up and pass it. However for overtaking it has virtually no peers.

It is a different kind of car and a different driving experience but given that it can go from London to Glasgow in just over 7 hours at zero cost and one half hour coffee/charge up it has to be taken seriously when compared to say a Panamera which wouldn't have done the journey any quicker and would have consumed over £100 of petrol. Driving on the autobahn at high speed would favour the petrol power but for the vast majority of the world's motorists this type of driving isn't available.

My friend can get 350 to 400 miles out of a charge and the free Tesla charge stations only take 30 mins to give a full charge. Most owners also get a charge station at their houses.

In comparison to something like a Nissan Leaf this is in a totally different class. It's like the Leaf is the Model T Ford and someone comes up with a current Mondeo at the same time. It is in my opinion such a massive leap forward that this technology will be everywhere in 20 years.

The car I was in was a white left hand drive model on dutch plates. There are plenty of details which could be improved but the basis is there for a ground change in motoring. Apparently the "D" models which stands for dual motors (4WD) are considerably quicker than the 2WD cars and 0 -60 for the car I was in is 2.8s.
Twelfth Monkey

The future doesn't appear to be the Hell that the keen driver might have envisaged.  Would love a go in one. I suspect that the sense of acceleration is highlighted because of the apparent lack of effort that comes from not having engine noise.
Giant

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
A temporary Tesla dealer has opened up within 10 minutes walking distance from work, I intend on popping along for a look at some point, as well as a full car in the showroom they also have an exposed chassis on display too.

I think they are fantastic looking cars and I've always been intrigued by them, used to see a fair few about but now I see so many that that they are almost as common as a 5 series or E-Class; Weybridge is an ideal place to sell them.


Time to move from selling Renaults to Teslas?
Bob Sacamano

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
A temporary Tesla dealer has opened up within 10 minutes walking distance from work, I intend on popping along for a look at some point, as well as a full car in the showroom they also have an exposed chassis on display too.

I think they are fantastic looking cars and I've always been intrigued by them, used to see a fair few about but now I see so many that that they are almost as common as a 5 series or E-Class; Weybridge is an ideal place to sell them.


Zero BIK. Why would you have a boring old 5 series or an E-Class as a company car when you could have one of these and be quids in too?
Humphrey The Pug

Giant wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
A temporary Tesla dealer has opened up within 10 minutes walking distance from work, I intend on popping along for a look at some point, as well as a full car in the showroom they also have an exposed chassis on display too.

I think they are fantastic looking cars and I've always been intrigued by them, used to see a fair few about but now I see so many that that they are almost as common as a 5 series or E-Class; Weybridge is an ideal place to sell them.


Time to move from selling Renaults to Teslas?


It had crossed my mind; the current location is temporary, they are in the old Trident Honda showroom which shut up shop earlier on in the year to be sold off for development, however there have been planning issues so Tesla have gone in for 9m until these issues are resolved, I should imagine they have got a cheap lease and are using it to test the water for the area.
Giant

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Giant wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
A temporary Tesla dealer has opened up within 10 minutes walking distance from work, I intend on popping along for a look at some point, as well as a full car in the showroom they also have an exposed chassis on display too.

I think they are fantastic looking cars and I've always been intrigued by them, used to see a fair few about but now I see so many that that they are almost as common as a 5 series or E-Class; Weybridge is an ideal place to sell them.


Time to move from selling Renaults to Teslas?


It had crossed my mind; the current location is temporary, they are in the old Trident Honda showroom which shut up shop earlier on in the year to be sold off for development, however there have been planning issues so Tesla have gone in for 9m until these issues are resolved, I should imagine they have got a cheap lease and are using it to test the water for the area.


If they're as popular as you say then they'll surely set up a permanent residence, that area must be choc full of potential Tesla buyers. The commission on a Tesla must be far greater than a Captur. Get in there early and ride the crest of the wave!
Humphrey The Pug

Popped in for a look after work; wow what a fantastic looking and finished car, I love the clean and uncluttered nature of the interior, however the screen in the dash would take a bit of getting used to though, I was surprised to see 2 rear facing child seats in the boot; much like the seats in a 21 Savanna.

I was offered a test drive but declined as I admitted I would be wasting their time, she persisted though, I still declined but she gave me a card with their details if I changed my mind, she also took my details to keep me updated on any local events.

The current location is temporary but they are looking for a permanent location in the area and they are recruiting.

One other thing and this is something that I have a real issue with; if I can buy a near on £100k car from a guy in a polo shirt, why the fuck won't our place move with the times and relax our dress code; drop the shitty corporate ties and white shirts that lose their white crispiness after a few washes and get wrecked when moving cars, and go for a smart casual look that is actually less intimidating for customers and more comfortable for us!!
Giant

Move to the enlightened employers!
Big Blue

White shirts and ties? That's early '80s Southern states stuff!!

I haven't worn a tie at work for some years now; the couple of meetings I've had in official places (like the Commons) I've made some effort but the only white shirt I wear is for a black tie dinner or funerals (different sort of black tie affair!).

Humph has enough going on at present without the stress of changing jobs!
PG

BIK rates are going to start going up for ZEV's, but compared to anything else "interesting" the Tesla still looks great benefit in kind value.

A friend of mine test drove one and found the acceleration "addictive" (as he put it). He was tempted to get one with the low BIK. But decided against in the end. He thinks the range needs to be 600-700 miles (i.e the same as a tank of diesel in a mid sized exec car) before electric cars will go mainstream.

Actually BIK rates are going up generally. I'm glad we moved to allowances!


Roadsterstu

So despite the sales lady insisting you take a test drive you still declined? Are you mad?! Get back there lad and get a go. Then get chatting about jobs. Opportunities!
Roadsterstu

Like others have said, I'm also intrigued by the Tesla. I'd love a go. I can't get on with that big screen though. It's totally unimaginative, plonking a big rectangular screen there. Perhaps there are cost issues, but it just lacks a massive dollop of style. It's just a big rectangle. Properly shaped, styled and integrated it could look so much better.
JohnC

PG wrote:
BIK rates are going to start going up for ZEV's, but compared to anything else "interesting" the Tesla still looks great benefit in kind value.

A friend of mine test drove one and found the acceleration "addictive" (as he put it). He was tempted to get one with the low BIK. But decided against in the end. He thinks the range needs to be 600-700 miles (i.e the same as a tank of diesel in a mid sized exec car) before electric cars will go mainstream.

Actually BIK rates are going up generally. I'm glad we moved to allowances!




But Governments always move the goal posts. Road tax based on Co2 emissions was supposedly about helping the environment (until manufacturers responded and everyone started driving much cleaner cars at which point they re-introduce a flat rate Road Tax to increase revenue again)

Politicians can't be trusted on anything and even if cars run on fresh air, there will be a way of taxing it.

I spoke to the friend who took me out in the Tesla again and he was telling me that the closest he has come to the acceleration from a standing start was a Nissan GTR in launch mode and soft race tyres - not something recommended if you want your transmission to last in the GTR but something you can do all day long in the Tesla which apparently has a good bit more than 600hp in the mode he was using.

I agree that they need to work on the range of electric cars but the Tesla charging stations can charge it up in 30mins and a full charge would provide 99.9% of drivers with all the range they need on a daily basis.
him

Not quite so impressive from a rolling start:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTkE3PpCgfw
Martin

A drag race against an M4, which needs the limiter to kick in to get past

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uki71gN7ahc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrUskqXAUww

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4CnSS4OG4A

So if you find yourself at the lights alongside a P85D, a McLaren 650S is what you'll need.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7j8BfIrfpY
simonp

Fuck yootoob and its fucking adverts!

And fuck Apple and its shitty auto correct! I've had to edit this post 3 times!! Make that 4 times.
Clunes

Eff me - I think that video with the Mclaren puts the 650s performance into context and highlights how fast the McLaren really is - utterly ballistic!

Talking of this kind of thing - the Chris Harris end of year video was the first in which the new breed of hypercar was shown next to a 'normal' supercar. The 918 vs Ferrari F12 and the F12 was made to look slow!
Roadsterstu

Roadsterstu wrote:
Like others have said, I'm also intrigued by the Tesla. I'd love a go. I can't get on with that big screen though. It's totally unimaginative, plonking a big rectangular screen there. Perhaps there are cost issues, but it just lacks a massive dollop of style. It's just a big rectangle. Properly shaped, styled and integrated it could look so much better.


I totally take back what I said about the interior! I've just had a good paw over a P85 in a fetching shade of dark blue in Leicester's Highcross shopping centre this morning. It. Looks. Fantastic. The screen does rather dominate the cabin but it is so fluid to use and the interior is a lovely place to sit. Not sure how easy it would be to operate on a bumpy road and the potential for driver distraction could be high but I've stuck my name down to try and blag a test drive, if I don't get filtered put as a no chance of a sale!!

Nice quality on the face of it.
JohnC

him wrote:
Not quite so impressive from a rolling start:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTkE3PpCgfw


Perhaps not but from a standing start it is immense. Even against the McLaren 650S in Martin's post, the Tesla is ahead up to about 60mph and the other videos show just what can be achieved with electric power.

As I said initially, if you can get a go in one (in particular the S model P85D) it will seriously impress in the initial acceleration regardless of what you drive on a daily basis.

I'm no great fan of electric cars but when I put my realist hat on and recognise that something has to change to reduce oil consumption, the Tesla is a long long way from being a disappointing alternative. The future holds more than a glimmer of hope.
Bob Sacamano

JohnC wrote:


I'm no great fan of electric cars but when I put my realist hat on and recognise that something has to change to reduce oil consumption, the Tesla is a long long way from being a disappointing alternative. The future holds more than a glimmer of hope.


There's a massive glut of oil at the moment which looks as if it will carry on for quite a long time so I won't be buying shares in Tesla yet, much as I hope the technology continues to develop.
PhilD

JohnC wrote:
him wrote:
Not quite so impressive from a rolling start:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTkE3PpCgfw


Perhaps not but from a standing start it is immense. Even against the McLaren 650S in Martin's post, the Tesla is ahead up to about 60mph and the other videos show just what can be achieved with electric power.



This argument is not going to be settled until 12th takes one on in The Beast...
Twelfth Monkey

I think I'm dead and buried...

That said, I'm not sure that the guy in the Lamborghini (Martin's third video) gets the greatest start.  The 650S is clearly fuck-off quick.
Roadsterstu

PhilD wrote:
JohnC wrote:
him wrote:
Not quite so impressive from a rolling start:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTkE3PpCgfw


Perhaps not but from a standing start it is immense. Even against the McLaren 650S in Martin's post, the Tesla is ahead up to about 60mph and the other videos show just what can be achieved with electric power.



This argument is not going to be settled until 12th takes one on in The Beast...


It would be stomped on if Tesla's claimed figures are right.

I've just watched the vids Martin linked to. Chuffin ell.  
PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
PhilD wrote:
JohnC wrote:
him wrote:
Not quite so impressive from a rolling start:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTkE3PpCgfw


Perhaps not but from a standing start it is immense. Even against the McLaren 650S in Martin's post, the Tesla is ahead up to about 60mph and the other videos show just what can be achieved with electric power.



This argument is not going to be settled until 12th takes one on in The Beast...


It would be stomped on if Tesla's claimed figures are right.


You don't play the car, you play the man.
Roadsterstu

Tesla man would have it, regardless.


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PhilD

Not when he hits 'Pursuit Mode"


PhilD

Twelfth Monkey

Oooh!  Nice.

Wonder what that would do for my insurance premium?
Andy C

At Oxford services today:


gooner

So they get a lot of use then. All the while drivers of the 99.99% of cars that are not electric have 6 less spaces!
Humphrey The Pug

Wonder how much Tesla pay for those spaces.
PhilD

Pay or just sponsor? They are charging stations for all electric cars aren't they?
him

^^^ I suspect they are "superchargers" for Teslas only.  You can charge Teslas at slower chargers too (they come with all the cables in the boot), but those look to be for Teslas exclusively.
Michael

Those supercharger stations are for Tesla only and free to use for most Tesla drivers (it's a cost option package on the base).
PhilD

him wrote:
^^^ I suspect they are "superchargers" for Teslas only.  You can charge Teslas at slower chargers too (they come with all the cables in the boot), but those look to be for Teslas exclusively.


Now you mention it I have read about the Tesla promise to provide a network of chargers. I stupidly thought they would work for others - Tesla are the Apple of the EV world!
him

I think the (inflated?) cost for the car includes use of their chargers for "free"?
JohnC

Apparently you can charge a Tesla in about 30 mins on one of the superchargers. The system has a "handshake" with the vehicles system to ensure that it is safe to use. Currently only Tesla cars have the technology to allow them to be recharged so quickly but my understanding is that Tesla recently made some of their data available to other companies to let them take advantage of the fast charge as well.

No-one else has taken it up yet.

If you plugged a supercharger into a normal electric car you would blow it to pieces but I think it is recognised that this is the kind of technology which would accelerate the development and uptake of electric cars enormously. From Teslas point of view I presume they no longer have to fund all these exclusive charging stations.
PG

The failure to establish a standard charging system, connectors and infrastructure between all the manufacturers is going to blow up big-time if ever electric cars really start to sell. Imagine only being able to go to a Ford garage to get petrol for your Ford.....

And OK, there are 6 chargers. Again what happens when you are the 7th to arrive. You wait 30 minutes to charge up for 30 minutes. Rather defeats the object.  People hate queuing for a petrol pump. Imagine the queues to recharge on bank holiday Sunday....... Unless every parking space has a charger. But the cost of that is pretty horrible.

That is probably why in the longer run, Hydrogen fuel cells are much more likely to become mainstream. Quicker refill and current fuel stations can be modified. So less infrastructure costs.
Bob Sacamano

PG wrote:
The failure to establish a standard charging system, connectors and infrastructure between all the manufacturers is going to blow up big-time if ever electric cars really start to sell. Imagine only being able to go to a Ford garage to get petrol for your Ford.....

And OK, there are 6 chargers. Again what happens when you are the 7th to arrive. You wait 30 minutes to charge up for 30 minutes. Rather defeats the object.  People hate queuing for a petrol pump. Imagine the queues to recharge on bank holiday Sunday....... Unless every parking space has a charger. But the cost of that is pretty horrible.

That is probably why in the longer run, Hydrogen fuel cells are much more likely to become mainstream. Quicker refill and current fuel stations can be modified. So less infrastructure costs.


Surely the logical solution is to drive over a module set in a parking bay that automatically drops out your old battery pack before installing another and off you go again, Formula 1 pit stop style.
Humphrey The Pug

JohnC wrote:
Apparently you can charge a Tesla in about 30 mins on one of the superchargers. The system has a "handshake" with the vehicles system to ensure that it is safe to use. Currently only Tesla cars have the technology to allow them to be recharged so quickly but my understanding is that Tesla recently made some of their data available to other companies to let them take advantage of the fast charge as well.


You an do an 80% charge on a ZOE using a 43kw charger, however the battery in a ZOE is alot smaller than a Tesla.

I'm amazed that the majority of charge points in London, only offer a standard 3 pin plug charge point, as opposed to the far quicker 7 pin 3 phase electrics that charge a car far quicker; 8 hours for a full charge using a 3 pin domestic plug, anything between 30 minutes and 4 hours on a 7 pin 3 phase system, depending on the system installed., it would be far better to have both systems available on each charge point.
Giant

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
JohnC wrote:
Apparently you can charge a Tesla in about 30 mins on one of the superchargers. The system has a "handshake" with the vehicles system to ensure that it is safe to use. Currently only Tesla cars have the technology to allow them to be recharged so quickly but my understanding is that Tesla recently made some of their data available to other companies to let them take advantage of the fast charge as well.


You an do an 80% charge on a ZOE using a 43kw charger, however the battery in a ZOE is alot smaller than a Tesla.

I'm amazed that the majority of charge points in London, only offer a standard 3 pin plug charge point, as opposed to the far quicker 7 pin 3 phase electrics that charge a car far quicker; 8 hours for a full charge using a 3 pin domestic plug, anything between 30 minutes and 4 hours on a 7 pin 3 phase system, depending on the system installed., it would be far better to have both systems available on each charge point.


I imagine it is due to available infrastructure and cost. A single phase supply can in theory easily be tapped off of a local lamppost, parking meter etc. Connecting a three phase supply would be far more involved, probably tapping directly from the UK Power Networks supply.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
PG wrote:
The failure to establish a standard charging system, connectors and infrastructure between all the manufacturers is going to blow up big-time if ever electric cars really start to sell. Imagine only being able to go to a Ford garage to get petrol for your Ford.....

And OK, there are 6 chargers. Again what happens when you are the 7th to arrive. You wait 30 minutes to charge up for 30 minutes. Rather defeats the object.  People hate queuing for a petrol pump. Imagine the queues to recharge on bank holiday Sunday....... Unless every parking space has a charger. But the cost of that is pretty horrible.

That is probably why in the longer run, Hydrogen fuel cells are much more likely to become mainstream. Quicker refill and current fuel stations can be modified. So less infrastructure costs.


Surely the logical solution is to drive over a module set in a parking bay that automatically drops out your old battery pack before installing another and off you go again, Formula 1 pit stop style.


Like this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33183031

but not tied into one make/manufacturer

Great looking scooter as well, I'd love one of these for the commute.
Bob Sacamano

PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
PG wrote:
The failure to establish a standard charging system, connectors and infrastructure between all the manufacturers is going to blow up big-time if ever electric cars really start to sell. Imagine only being able to go to a Ford garage to get petrol for your Ford.....

And OK, there are 6 chargers. Again what happens when you are the 7th to arrive. You wait 30 minutes to charge up for 30 minutes. Rather defeats the object.  People hate queuing for a petrol pump. Imagine the queues to recharge on bank holiday Sunday....... Unless every parking space has a charger. But the cost of that is pretty horrible.

That is probably why in the longer run, Hydrogen fuel cells are much more likely to become mainstream. Quicker refill and current fuel stations can be modified. So less infrastructure costs.




Surely the logical solution is to drive over a module set in a parking bay that automatically drops out your old battery pack before installing another and off you go again, Formula 1 pit stop style.


Like this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33183031

but not tied into one make/manufacturer

Great looking scooter as well, I'd love one of these for the commute.


Good idea that. Bit like swopping the batteries on golf trollies.
PG

Re swapping the batteries out, good idea though it is it does not seem very practical. If the manufactuers can't even agree what plug to use, I doubt they'd ever be able agree on a standard size, fit and position for batteries.
PG

Giant wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
JohnC wrote:
Apparently you can charge a Tesla in about 30 mins on one of the superchargers. The system has a "handshake" with the vehicles system to ensure that it is safe to use. Currently only Tesla cars have the technology to allow them to be recharged so quickly but my understanding is that Tesla recently made some of their data available to other companies to let them take advantage of the fast charge as well.


You an do an 80% charge on a ZOE using a 43kw charger, however the battery in a ZOE is alot smaller than a Tesla.

I'm amazed that the majority of charge points in London, only offer a standard 3 pin plug charge point, as opposed to the far quicker 7 pin 3 phase electrics that charge a car far quicker; 8 hours for a full charge using a 3 pin domestic plug, anything between 30 minutes and 4 hours on a 7 pin 3 phase system, depending on the system installed., it would be far better to have both systems available on each charge point.


I imagine it is due to available infrastructure and cost. A single phase supply can in theory easily be tapped off of a local lamppost, parking meter etc. Connecting a three phase supply would be far more involved, probably tapping directly from the UK Power Networks supply.


Agreed. The cost of installing three phase everywhere would be ludicrously expensive. Which is why nearly all chargers are single phase.
Bob Sacamano

PG wrote:
Re swapping the batteries out, good idea though it is it does not seem very practical. If the manufactuers can't even agree what plug to use, I doubt they'd ever be able agree on a standard size, fit and position for batteries.


Most fuel tanks these days are forward of the rear axle, under the rear seats - electric cars tend to have their battery packs in the same place. There's no prop shaft or 4WD gubbins on an electric car so you could argue that most electric cars could adopt a standard size (width and length of rear seat squab) and in the same position. Easy for a robotic mechanism to drop the old one out and position a new one.

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