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Tesla Model S 70D

Now,

I'd love an 85D for the sheer absurdity of the performance but I find this new 70D hugely appealing and it would fit into my lifestyle perfectly.

The range would be absolutely fine for >99% of my journeys (in fact I'm struggling to think of a journey I've done personally in the past couple of years it wouldn't have completed without a 'top up') and I find the technology fascinating (we had the CIO of Tesla come to a recent meeting I had in the US and for an IT guy like me it was very interesting to hear him talk)

The tweaks to the interior, software, build and ride seem to have improved things across the board and despite the lower power output of this model performance is still plentiful and in our mixed climate probably faster than most cars off the line all year round - I have no doubt at all it would leave my XF for dead spinning it's wheels in anything but perfect conditions.

The 55k price point is way, way, more than I would consider spending on a car (I'm still to get my brain around leasing so I still see a figure like this as a lump sum) but it seems like a competitive price point with the competition around it.
Michael

I'm in two minds about this.

Tesla have clearly identified a demand, and I too like the idea, but I can't help thinking it's too early to jump on board. This is partly because the technology is still in early stages but mainly because I don't think it's as good at being a car if you take propulsion out of the equation. I don't like the interior, I'm not that bowled over by the exterior and it's too big. I'm keen to see what other manufacturers can produce, be it Porsche or Audi, as I think they will be a far more comprehensive product.
I'm also not convinced Tesla will survive. Reports of reliability issues and sluggish sales continue to hound the company and I wonder how long they can keep it going.
Nelson

Michael wrote:
I'm in two minds about this.

Tesla have clearly identified a demand, and I too like the idea, but I can't help thinking it's too early to jump on board. This is partly because the technology is still in early stages but mainly because I don't think it's as good at being a car if you take propulsion out of the equation. I don't like the interior, I'm not that bowled over by the exterior and it's too big. I'm keen to see what other manufacturers can produce, be it Porsche or Audi, as I think they will be a far more comprehensive product.
I'm also not convinced Tesla will survive. Reports of reliability issues and sluggish sales continue to hound the company and I wonder how long they can keep it going.


I totally agree, fine words Michael. I'm not sold on the interior either, it looks 'cold' and uninviting with that huge tablet for all the controls in the middle but haven't said that I have seen 4 different Tesla's regularly being driven around Rugby so they are (fairly) popular here, I think a high end exec at Julie's work has one, he used to have a 730d

If Porsche successfully pull off their concept E-Mission into a production reality (which they will) and price it at 65-90k that will be the death knell for Tesla I fear even if the Tesla can worry a Ferrari from standstill
Martin

Michael wrote:
I'm in two minds about this.

Tesla have clearly identified a demand, and I too like the idea, but I can't help thinking it's too early to jump on board. This is partly because the technology is still in early stages but mainly because I don't think it's as good at being a car if you take propulsion out of the equation. I don't like the interior, I'm not that bowled over by the exterior and it's too big. I'm keen to see what other manufacturers can produce, be it Porsche or Audi, as I think they will be a far more comprehensive product.
I'm also not convinced Tesla will survive. Reports of reliability issues and sluggish sales continue to hound the company and I wonder how long they can keep it going.


I agree with all of that. It's a really interesting car in terms of technology and performance, but I couldn't buy one now. I would need an 80D as a minimum to get sufficient range and then you're up to 70k+ with a couple of options.  I'd be really interested to have a go in one though.
Giant

Tesla are dragging the industry forward, which I think was needed by an 'external' company, but with any new technological step forward, the early leader normally gets overtaken by a better product by another company arriving a generation later, so you may be right. Also, Autocar were reporting about another electric car company start up last week, Faraday somethingorotther, whose key staff are all ex-Tesla.
gooner

There's loads of them around London, I'd say they are easily more common than the current model S class, A8 or 730d around Chelsea (where I've spent the last couple of days). That may well be unrepresentative of the UK large executive car market as a whole but it's clear they're selling well.
JohnC

Given what I experienced in the P85D there is a lot for Tesla to be complimented on. I think for people who don't drive long distances every day and maybe have a 20 mile commute each way they are perfect.

I understand the comments on the interior and I would struggle with it too but that has to be viewed in conjunction with the fact that there are virtually no running costs, no congestion charges and possibly lots of future benefits such as access to city centres or free parking which might be the carrots to really kick start the revolution. These types of incentive might outweigh the aesthetic dislikes for the interior.

The lack of standardisation for recharging is a potential issue which Tesla tried to prevent by making its technology known to others. However with Porsche/VW Group looking as though they have a different higher voltage system and a few others kicking around in the wings it is going to take a good while for any kind of standard to be adopted. A standard will be required though if electric power is really going to progress.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Interesting article in the latest Top Gear mag - the theory is that it's not about the cars, but about the battery technology and the production of it, and their aim to become the supplier to anyone else contemplating a high performance electric car. Obviously they're going to come up against NIH syndrome, but equally, if they're sufficiently ahead of everyone else, a lot of other companies will just say sod it, let's buy state of the art batteries from these guys.
PG

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Interesting article in the latest Top Gear mag - the theory is that it's not about the cars, but about the battery technology and the production of it, and their aim to become the supplier to anyone else contemplating a high performance electric car....


Tesla are just building, or have built, a new state of the art battery factory, so maybe the article is right. This new factory is all about decreasing the cost per KwH of batteries, while increasing the energy density.  

Like many others I'm fascinated by the Tesla technology, but not sure they've got the car quite right. Too big (although not for the US), too expensive, not enough range, too clinical inside. I'm sure that less performance, allied to more range would win more people over.

I think the car that might really kick start things though is the 3 series rival. If you spend your day going up and down motorways, an electric car linked to Tesla's supercharger main road infrastructure has huge potential savings for you (and your employer).
PhilD

PG wrote:


Like many others I'm fascinated by the Tesla technology...


I think the car that might really kick start things though is the 3 series rival. If you spend your day going up and down motorways, an electric car linked to Tesla's supercharger main road infrastructure has huge potential savings for you (and your employer).


Agree and agree!

Though not with this bit "I'm sure that less performance, allied to more range would win more people over" - then it would be a car with average performance and a slightly less shite range. As it is, its grabbing headlines around the world smoking GTRs and the like.

I'm also blown away with the quality of the product. I know Mr Musk had a few quid to play with but it's still a staggering achievement.  
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Martin

Agreed, a range of 400 miles wouldn't get anywhere near the publicity or interest of a 2.8 second 0-60 time.

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