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JohnC

So What Will Happen?

Bernie wants big teams (manufacturers) who will sell/lease/give cars to the small teams to race and have a say over who drives them.
The smaller teams, Sauber, Force India, Lotus want to continue to control their own destiny and make their own cars but with a global agreement on expenditure limits. These teams all say that F1 will be different in 2015.
I'm not sure where Williams fit in to the hierarchy.
To add confusion, F1 is now owned by a Venture Capitalist Group who will only have their own interests and money in mind.

So, how different do you think F1 will be and do you think we will see the same teams next year?
gooner

Well whatever does happen, I'm sure all the wrong people will end up making most the money in the end.

I understand the idea behind the big teams becoming whole car suppliers as opposed to just engine suppliers as that will give them better economies of scale, but are they going to want to give away such important intellectual property as chassis and wing design. And what if their car is so good the team they give it to beats them?!

On the other hand, what happens if the smaller team invests a lot of money in securing the car of a bigger team, only for it to be a dud? Will they be able to develop it further themselves to improve it?
Chris M Wanted a V-10

gooner wrote:
Well whatever does happen, I'm sure all the wrong people will end up making most the money in the end.

No change there, then !

Bernie may have taken the sport from near-obscurity to global spectacle, but IMHO he's taken far too much out of it.
To give Ferrari a large income because they have been in from the start seems wrong to me; reward by how well you've done in the previous season is acceptable in my eyes, but there has to be a way of encouraging new teams to do better. The F1 income needs to be spread in a different way amongst the teams, and between teams and the promoters/organisers.  As a multi-billion dollar, near-worldwide sport, teams should not be failing due to a shortage of a few million $s.

When times are hard and income difficult to receive, who decided to introduce new engine rules that must have been the most expensive chnage ever in the history of the sport? Madness IMHO.

When Cosworth, who'd been in F1 for decades pulled out, it should have been a warning that all was not well with F1. As a near-lifelong fan, F1 appears to have lost the plot and TBH I wouldn't be too sad now if it failed and vanished without trace
PhilD

I feat not much will change until the poison dwarf is gone.
simonp

I agree. He was good for the sport back in the day, but not anymore.
Twelfth Monkey

The sad thing for me is that I'm not sure I care anymore.  Never thought I'd say that.
BeN

PhilD wrote:
I feat not much will change until the poison dwarf is gone.


+1

If Bernie stays, I can see the grid shrinking to his satisfaction. He did say he was okay with just 14 cars.

He's always maintained that F1 is for the elite anyway, so he will have his closed shop till he's gone.
Eff One

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
The sad thing for me is that I'm not sure I care anymore.  Never thought I'd say that.


I was beginning to feel the same. But I have to say that after an awful month since Suzuka, with only a downbeat debut for Sochi to break the gloom, F1 managed to put on a great show at Austin. It's a fantastic circuit, and the obvious enthusiam of the fans - all 200,000+ of them - did much to remind me why I love this sport.
PG

I can't see whole car leasing or something similar working. As said above, do all technical upgrades get to be passed on? And in both directions? Can't work. And even if it did ever get made to work, the first time Ferrari B beat Ferrari A, the rules would just have to change again.  

So there needs to be some sort of budget cap and a distribution of money that allows smaller teams to at least be competitive. If the big teams get more money every year from their clout and that they do best the year before, their success just become s a self fulfilling prophesy. They may not be 1st as they want, but the big teams are hardly ever going to line up at the back of the grid all season are they?

Plus the smaller teams are a great training ground for young and upcoming drivers.
PhilD

Eff One wrote:
the obvious enthusiam of the fans - all 200,000+ of them - did much to remind me why I love this sport.


this is where the mojo comes from and why soulless venues like Bahrain could kill the sport.
Alf McQueef

I have been oscillating between not caring, and caring enough to be annoyed about it all, too. If it heading towards car manufacturers, not racing teams, making all the cars then I'm out. I'm sick enough of the opaque funding with all the teams having secret, unilateral deals for their share of the cash, individuals taking £billions out of it (sums that would run good quality teams for years), and constant spats over ownership, not to mention all the bribery court battles and so on.

Equally, I'm annoyed it is no longer always live on terrestrial TV, but refuse to buy Sky just for this - then I'm paying for the bastards.

When all the proper, old school racing teams like Williams are gone, I am no longer interested. There is plenty of other motorsport to watch. Some still have proper engines too.
JohnC

Alf McQueef wrote:
I have been oscillating between not caring, and caring enough to be annoyed about it all, too. If it heading towards car manufacturers, not racing teams, making all the cars then I'm out. I'm sick enough of the opaque funding with all the teams having secret, unilateral deals for their share of the cash, individuals taking £billions out of it (sums that would run good quality teams for years), and constant spats over ownership, not to mention all the bribery court battles and so on.

Equally, I'm annoyed it is no longer always live on terrestrial TV, but refuse to buy Sky just for this - then I'm paying for the bastards.

When all the proper, old school racing teams like Williams are gone, I am no longer interested. There is plenty of other motorsport to watch. Some still have proper engines too.


I've got to say that the motorsport on ITV4 is great: touring cars, Porsche Cup, F3 and F4 are all very entertaining and much less predictable than F1. I too won't pay for Sky but I found Motors TV the other night on our smart TV on channels 240 and I think 70. 240 is an internet channel but 70 is not so I must check out the other TVs to see if I can see it there also. Some Australian V8 racing to get the petrol flowing in the veins again.
F1 watch out because you don't have a monopoly on entertainment.
Martin

Thankfully we had SKY F1 from the start, which was included in the HD package and surprisingly they've kept that deal going so we don't pay any extra.

I think we would pay extra if we had to in order to keep it and watching the quali on the BBC at my parents on Saturday was a good reminder of how much better the SKY coverage is.  Although if EJ left the BBC, it would be a lot closer!

I do like to watch Touring Cars on ITV4 as well, but races like Austin remind me how much I love F1, despite all the issues.

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