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Mark

Says It All Regarding The Sound of 2014

http://youtu.be/jS4Dh_EAfJI
Bob Sacamano

I don't know why they don't just take the next logical step and play the music from Mario Cart over the sound of the engines.
Twelfth Monkey

They do sound artificial, don't they?  That's as well as sounding shit.
Boxer6

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
They do sound artificial, don't they? †That's as well as sounding shit.


Again, I find myself 100% in agreement with you Twelfth. I hadn't actually heard them before (didn't see any of qually or GP); really not at all what one would expect from the so-called premier racing championship.
Boxer6

This forum-induced double-post means I now agree 200% with Twelfth!!  
Twelfth Monkey

Forum's throwing a few double-posts hissy-fits at the moment, isn't it?
Boxer6

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Forum's throwing a few double-posts hissy-fits at the moment, isn't it?


Indeed it is. I thought it was due to the new computers we've ha installed recently, but it happened from my home Mac too. Bizarre, it is.
Eff One

That's the first time I've thought they sounded bad, rather than just quieter. I suspect it's because the microphone is only picking up the higher frequencies - the V8s were all high-pitched, but the V6 is a mix of low snarl (which you don't hear in this clip) and the high pitch of turbo and hybrid gubbins.

It'll improve, I expect.
Tim

A lot of it will depend whereabouts the clip is taken in relation to the engine in the rev range, i.e. if they're near the top of the revs you'll miss out on the lower rev snarl.
It'd be easier to tell if there was 1 car and it was taken from further away so you could at least catch a gearchange.

There was a lot of hissing from the in-car footage as well though.
Twelfth Monkey

Even played through a decent home cinema setup the sound is, to put as kind a slant on it as is possible, somewhat disappointing.
Mark

Tim wrote:
A lot of it will depend whereabouts the clip is taken in relation to the engine in the rev range, i.e. if they're near the top of the revs you'll miss out on the lower rev snarl.
It'd be easier to tell if there was 1 car and it was taken from further away so you could at least catch a gearchange.

There was a lot of hissing from the in-car footage as well though.


The clip was taken in virtually the same place for both years - cars hammering down the main straight on the circuit?

The person may well have changed their phone/recording device in that 12 month gap (although no perceptible difference in picture quality) and I doubt it would be a 'downgrade'. It's also going to be a pretty accurate account of what you hear sitting in that grandstand on the day.

I don't think there are any excuses - the cars now sound utter pish.

I've heard better noises from a track day at Anglesey.
Big Blue

Yes, the new cars sound shite in that clip.
Tim

Mark wrote:
Tim wrote:
A lot of it will depend whereabouts the clip is taken in relation to the engine in the rev range, i.e. if they're near the top of the revs you'll miss out on the lower rev snarl.
It'd be easier to tell if there was 1 car and it was taken from further away so you could at least catch a gearchange.

There was a lot of hissing from the in-car footage as well though.


The clip was taken in virtually the same place for both years - cars hammering down the main straight on the circuit?




What I meant was that the car will sound better at certain points in the rev range.
I was at a GT race years ago and if you stood at a point just before the gearchange point on the McLaren F1s the sound was painful but 100 yards, say, in either direction the sound was much different and a lot nicer but very different depending on whether it was pre or post gearchange.
Nice Guy Eddie

I quite like the sound of the cars in isolation however once they're all running together they just make a drone and that drone on the tv reminds me of the World cup in SA. Like Vuvuzelas on acid.
PG

I always thought the 2013 cars were just too loud and too high pitched. At the revs they all ran, it was not a melodic engine noise - it was just loud noise.

So, the new cars being not as loud does not seem an issue. It is the quality of the noise that is more important, and I think you'd need to hear two cars on their own to really compare.
Martin

When you're standing on the side of the track and the cars are passing within a couple of metres of you (start of the Hanger straight), you could feel the sound, not just hear it.   I took my eldest to that point last year and he was amazed that he could feel the cars go past, his eyes were out on stalks!   It all added to the atmosphere and one of the reasons why watching F1 cars live is so much better than on TV.

At least they're not diesel hybrids.....
TreVoR

I remember when I was at Le Mans, the diesels made hardly any sound at all but the petrol powered cars sounded and felt epic - especially the Corvettes.  A decent sound does add to the atmosphere.
Martin

TreVoR wrote:
I remember when I was at Le Mans, the diesels made hardly any sound at all but the petrol powered cars sounded and felt epic - especially the Corvettes. †A decent sound does add to the atmosphere.


I've never been to Le Mans, but it's very high up on our bucket list, along with a trip to Spa on an F1 weekend.  Unfortunately all my holiday is spoken for this year, so it will have to wait.  A trip to one of them next year in the Boxster has been suggested by Lindsay already.
PR

Martin wrote:
When you're standing on the side of the track and the cars are passing within a couple of metres of you (start of the Hanger straight), you could feel the sound, not just hear it.


Indeed - TV never came close to conveying the brutal noise of the V10 or V8 cars, so we can only hope that it's equally failing to get across how good these new V6 ones sound. I won't hold my breath on that point, though...
Tim

PR wrote:
Martin wrote:
When you're standing on the side of the track and the cars are passing within a couple of metres of you (start of the Hanger straight), you could feel the sound, not just hear it.


Indeed - TV never came close to conveying the brutal noise of the V10 or V8 cars, so we can only hope that it's equally failing to get across how good these new V6 ones sound. I won't hold my breath on that point, though...


We saw the Panoz' run at Donington in the mid-90s and you could almost hear them all round the track and you could certainly feel them when they passed close by.
That was a 'proper' V8 sound though  
Sav

I think the twin-turbo V6 engines in IndyCar sound far nicer than the Formula 1 V6ís. With the former, there is a lovely aggressive bark under hard throttle. Perhaps FIA representatives need to visit an IndyCar road course race or a test session; I think the sound of the IndyCar engines would please more fans.

When GP2 starts in Bahrain it might upstage F1 in terms of noise. GP2 retains naturally aspirated V8ís, and those sound a lot nicer than the F1 engines.

When watching the 12 Hours of Sebring and NASCAR last weekend, never have I appreciated great sound in motorsport. The lovely, crisp sound of flat sixes, high-pitched wail from the V8 in a Ferrari 458 GTE or the sheer racket from NASCAR cars made F1 sound even worse last weekend.
simonp

You only have to look at how many spectators are wearing ear defenders in each clip to see the differences...
Eff One

simonp wrote:
You only have to look at how many spectators are wearing ear defenders in each clip to see the differences...


Which does rather negate the point. If the cars are so loud that you can't be near them without ear protection, then why complain when they're quieter?

As I've said, I suspect that the TV lot still have their trackside mics set up to record screaming V8s, so they need to turn them up and convey a bit more low end. And maybe think about positioning. The V6s are never going to sound as impressive, but there's much that can be done to improve matters for TV audiences, at least.

And to the world at large - enough with the whingeing. In order for the formula to survive, something like this had to happen. It was always going to be much quieter, because it's massively more efficient and noise is just wasted energy.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

I've been trying to think of what the noise of the new F1 cars remind me of..... motorcycle scramble bikes from the 1970's is about the closest I can get
Twelfth Monkey

A downward slope, though the Honda engine for 2015 sounds better than the 2014  shower, and the 1988 one shows that turbo doesn't automatically have to mean dull-sounding.  I guess the sound is just lost energy for today's engineers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EctHizz_yNo

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