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Stuntman

Sapphire Blue Cayman GT4 - collection day

Here are some pictures of the car on collection day, looking as good as it will ever do.  It's nicely dirty now!  

The big reveal (photos courtesy of Dan G):











Stuntman

Exterior (again courtesy of Dan G):









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Stuntman

Interior (courtesy of Dan G):



TreVoR

That looks superb.  Hope you had fun yesterday!
Frank Bullitt

Looks magnificent, I take it the drive is even better?!

I like the idea of a big reveal, all part of the drama! Is the plate intentionally 'water' related?
Stuntman

Out in the wild (photos courtesy of Andy C, last one Dan G):









Happy days!
Stuntman

The plate isn't intentionally water related, it was just another factor in me choosing H20 out of the available H12-H20 plates when I bought it in October 1990!

I did about 90 miles in the car yesterday (it still had 14 miles on the clock when I picked it up).  Conditions weren't the best, the tyres/brakes are still brand new, and I'm learning my way round the car.  The electronic handbrake makes me feel clumsy, I need to work out how it works properly so that it becomes second nature about how to pull away smartly while holding the car on a hill, and also reversing when the car is on a hill.  Annoyingly the owner's manual was missing so I can't even read how to do it.

My initial impressions are as follows:

Steering feel is a definite step behind the 987.1 (my other Cayman) but conditions were clearly not the best. Ride is pretty good, you do notice certain bumps that my 987.1 smooths over (on 18"s and with PASM) but perfectly livable. The full buckets are comfortable for an hour or so, absolutely fine under-bum and under-thigh but was getting a bit of numbness in my right shoulder. Probably my muscles just need to adjust.

Clutch is slightly heavier than the cooking cars but not in the same postcode as a 997 GT3. Gearchange is already nice and snicky, just very nice.

At low to medium road speeds the car feels pretty stable; front end feels faithful but I haven't yet dialled in to the steering. A fair bit of tyre roar but not overly intrusive. Auto blip is impressive, doesn't unsettle the car at all on downchanges, I readily admit that it does this a lot better than I can do myself, and with complete consistency.

Engine/exhaust noise just frustrates me at the moment because I'm keeping it under 4500 for now, it's tantalising and I am seriously looking forward to giving it the full beans once run in. Sounds great under load in the 3000-4500 range, the engine already gains/loses revs more freely than my 987.1.

The brakes are massive and predictably tremendous. I did a little bit of bedding in (40-20, 50-20, 60-20 etc) and already I'm impressed with them. My car is on steels rather than ceramics.

I had 3 different passengers in the car (Dan G, Andy C and Piers) and they all commented how they were pleasantly surprised by the ride and how good the auto blip was.

I'll put another 150-ish miles on it today visiting friends and family.
Martin

Looks great Dan! Enjoy getting to know it.
franki68

finally !
Nice Guy Eddie

Looks fab Dan, I'm very jealous. What tyres did it come on as I understand not all have michelins from the factory.
Stuntman

Mine's on Michelins.  When I went up to the dealership earlier in the week, they had 4 GT4s awaiting collection.  2 were on Dunlops.  Luck of the draw I guess.  I'm pleased mine's on Michelins although I shudder to think of the replacement cost!
PhilD

Mini D has just momentarily lifted her eyes off Paw Patrol (anyone with under 5s will know that this is) and looked at my laptop screen:

"I like that blue car daddy. I want to sit in those seats"
JohnC

Lovely car. It's hard to see how a 911 could add anything to that except a bigger price tag.

Enjoy every mile Dan.
gooner

Looks awesome Dan, I think you've made a great choice and that's probably the colour I'd go for, it suits the car really well.
Most electronic handbrakes allow you to just drive off without doing anything, they just release themselves as the clutch bites. It's taken some of my colleagues who've driven my Insignia a few goes to get their head around!
Humphrey The Pug

Lovely looking car, great colour.

Aren't they supposed to be a bit of a bargain too?
Stuntman

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Lovely looking car, great colour.

Aren't they supposed to be a bit of a bargain too?


All thinks are relative of course - but yes in the context of a Porsche sports car.  The ones for sale are currently priced at about £25k to £30k over list depending on spec.  Mine cost just under £73.5k on the road.
Giant

Stuntman wrote:
Mine's on Michelins.  When I went up to the dealership earlier in the week, they had 4 GT4s awaiting collection.  2 were on Dunlops.  Luck of the draw I guess.  I'm pleased mine's on Michelins although I shudder to think of the replacement cost!


Common as muck, I bet humph hasn't got that many Capturs waiting for collection!  

Looks very, very nice! As I said when Franki collected his, these are the forum cars I covet above all others past and present!

Enjoy it!  
Stuntman

PhilD wrote:
Mini D has just momentarily lifted her eyes off Paw Patrol (anyone with under 5s will know that this is) and looked at my laptop screen:

"I like that blue car daddy. I want to sit in those seats"


High praise indeed!  
Boxer6

Utterly stunning Stunters.

I have no doubt you will thoroughly enjoy every mile of it!
BeN

That looks fantastic. Really lovely.
Roadsterstu

Like. Like an awful lot.

A few blanks in that centre console though    
Andy C

Here's a few more pics, as well as a video of it starting up from cold










https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91F2i4CpRgw


It was a great day. The seat is absolutely perfect. Hands down the best car seat I've ever sat in. The interior, with the additional leather and alcantara is absolutely spot on too.

The induction noise, even changing up at 4500rpm, is stunning. It will be sensational once ran in.  The ride is also very good. I was expecting it to be quite harsh, but not once did it feel crashy.

And then there's the look of it  

Wow wow wow.
JohnC

It's nice to see a steering wheel which is just that and not something with more functions than a Swiss Army knife
franki68

JohnC wrote:
It's nice to see a steering wheel which is just that and not something with more functions than a Swiss Army knife


the steering wheel is the best thing I have fondled in a while.
JohnC

franki68 wrote:

the steering wheel is the best thing I have fondled in a while.


You need to pay Mrs F a bit more attention!  I hate to say my mind just wandered off, wondering if they do alcantara underwear!!!
the other ct

Fantastic car and great photos. I particularly like this one:



May you have many memorable drives.
Twelfth Monkey

May you have many happy miles together!
Blarno

Fucking beautiful.
Roadrunner

Looks like perfection to me. Enjoy!
PG

Looks fantastic. Enjoy every moment.  
Nelson

Mmm,, yeah, that is so desirable. Great choice and may you have many happy drives
Humphrey The Pug

A red one on a 65 plate drove past work today, it had decals on the lower doors, it looked pretty special.
Nice Guy Eddie

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
A red one on a 65 plate drove past work today, it had decals on the lower doors, it looked pretty special.


My mate lives down the road from your work so probably his car. It has club sport decals on the doors and arse. He also has an orange GT3 RS which you might have seen, the lucky get.
PR

In case it's not entirely clear yet - the car is sensational!

It looks spectacular, sounds exquisite - I can't imagine how Dan is resisting the temptation to open the taps beyond about 4k! - and has the sense of occasion you only get in something really special. I feel privileged to have had a ride on collection day!
Stuntman

Another 140 miles on it today, relaxed into the car a bit more.  The ride has improved a little since yesterday now that the suspension components have settled in a bit, the tyres have full grip, I've bedded in the brakes and my body has adapted a little more to the seats.  Took my Mum out for a passenger ride, she found the seats comfortable and the ride OK too!

The car feels lighter on its feet than the 987.1, turns in even sharper with an alert front end.  Still fairly limited steering feel, but it seems to have a stronger self-centering action exiting a corner under load.  If I can gain confidence with the steering feel over time so that I can fully trust the car on corner entry, then it will be absurdly quick cross country.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

the other ct wrote:
Fantastic car and great photos. I particularly like this one:



May you have many memorable drives.

+1.  Wonder how easy it will be to keep the wheels clean?
A bit of cropping and lightening/darkening
Bob Sacamano

I've never been a massive Porsche fan but I really love that, it's a lovely balance of desirable spec without looking as if it's trying too hard.
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
Another 140 miles on it today, relaxed into the car a bit more.  The ride has improved a little since yesterday now that the suspension components have settled in a bit, the tyres have full grip, I've bedded in the brakes and my body has adapted a little more to the seats.  Took my Mum out for a passenger ride, she found the seats comfortable and the ride OK too!

The car feels lighter on its feet than the 987.1, turns in even sharper with an alert front end.  Still fairly limited steering feel, but it seems to have a stronger self-centering action exiting a corner under load.  If I can gain confidence with the steering feel over time so that I can fully trust the car on corner entry, then it will be absurdly quick cross country.


The steering grows on you,I found it funny at first as it's the first electric system on one of my cars,but the last coup,e of weeks I have started to enjoy it,it does give feedback ,just doesn't wriggle like the hydraulic Porsche systems.
You start trusting it more .
JohnC

I know that my car is a different animal but I don't give the electric steering any thought anymore.

In a perfect world I would rather have the hydraulic but I am quite used to the electric now and totally trust it. It still gives feedback on understeer and low grip situations. It's as if it talks a different language but once you understand it, it's back to normal.
Martin

Despite it being one of the better systems I tried, I really noticed the difference in the steering when I moved from the 520d to the 535d.   As John says, you do get used to it, but I'm in the Boxster today and the difference is still a bit of a shock, there is a significant difference in feel.
Michael

Allow me to be the voice of dissent, I think it looks shit. A few meters of car, to paraphrase someone else and you must be devastated that the colour choice turned out the way it did*.

*Lies.
Bryan M

Phew, thanks Michael - we were in danger of having a second unanimous forum agreement after agreeing Luton was a shithole!
franki68

Martin wrote:
Despite it being one of the better systems I tried, I really noticed the difference in the steering when I moved from the 520d to the 535d.   As John says, you do get used to it, but I'm in the Boxster today and the difference is still a bit of a shock, there is a significant difference in feel.


massive difference between my wifes 987 and 981 steering ,equally there is a massive difference between the gt4 and the  981 boxster
Rodge

Lovely looking car. Congratulations on getting it and may you have many happy miles together.

I've only caught up on what's going on here in the last day or so, having been away for a bit.
I've been busy driving around like a lunatic in my Range Rover with personalised plates- V8 OAN.....
Stuntman

Rodge wrote:
I've only caught up on what's going on here in the last day or so, having been away for a bit.
I've been busy driving around like a lunatic in my Range Rover with personalised plates- V8 OAN.....




Welcome back, Rodge.
Martin

That reminds, I looked to see if H20 OAN was available last night, as I thought it my be a good option for the Boxster....but the closest one was E20 OAN.   I wonder if you could make that look 'right' , as it was only £300!  
Racing Teatray

Lucky git!! Not even slightly jealous....
PhilD

Martin wrote:
That reminds, I looked to see if H20 OAN was available last night, as I thought it my be a good option for the Boxster


I'm confused, why would it be?!
Stuntman

So he can get his speeding tickets sent to me!

Another 50 miles on it today, still keeping it below 4500...
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
So he can get his speeding tickets sent to me!



Sav

What a stunning car in a gorgeous colour. I would frankly be content with a lesser Cayman, but this must be something truly special.
gooner

Reading this months Evo, Dario Franchitti was also pretty taken with it. So much so that after driving it during Evo COTY he tried, unsuccessfully to buy the press car from Porsche!
Martin

How are you getting on with it Dan?  I see from the mpg thread it's run in, have you been getting plenty of time behind the wheel?
Stuntman

Mostly all good.  

I've done 1965 miles now, official running-in ended at 3000km (circa 1865 miles).  The ride is pretty good in mixed driving, firm but not harsh, though it does find more bumps than the Cayman S, and can therefore feel slightly unsettling.  There's a bump before corner-entry to a fast 3rd gear right hander on one of my favourite driving routes and I have to take that corner slower in the GT4 than in my other steeds to avoid being discombobulated in my seat!

Economy - well, pretty good really at 24ish to date.  It will probably end up behaving similarly to the Cayman S unless I really cane it for prolonged periods of time.

Noise - fabulous.  I have to say I'm a fan of the sports exhaust.  I've done one tunnel run in it (A40 near Monmouth) and I couldn't believe how good it sounded.  However, it's impossible to start the car and drive off quietly.  The noise is loud on startup and then quietens down after about 1 minute.  This is a bit childish and annoying, I wish the car was more discreet.

Power - strong.  I've yet to take it out for a proper spirited drive on quiet roads for an extended period using the full rev range.  

Handling: turn-in is close to immediate, and you can feel the diff working on corner exit when you add power.  Grip is very strong in the dry.  Wet handling and grip is predictable and good, although I tend to drive smoothly and precisely in those conditions anyway. Steering feel is acceptably OK to very good.

Seat comfort: personally I am very pleased with how comfortable the buckets are over any distance.  All 7 passengers so far have agreed!!

Interior stuff: well the satnav isn't as good as the M3's system and the audio isn't up to much either, but that's not what makes the car.  That said, I wish they were a bit better considering the enormous cost.  The plastic 'chrome' accents around the dashboard vents are too reflective, it would be better if they were a matt finish.  The leather/alcanatara certainly lifts the interior and the quality is very good.

Exterior stuff: the headlights are excellent and I like the quality and finish of the details on the front and rear bumpers and spoilers etc.  The car has a few small stonechips already but it's there to be used and enjoyed.  I didn't pay for any film or serum protection.

The one downside: the car is so low to the ground at the front that it doesn't go into my garage.  My driveway is on a downslope and then there's a small upslope into the opening of my garage.  This resultant V shape causes the front splitter to ground out.  I will need someone to fix the driveway or I will need to move house.  In the meantime, the car either lives on the drive or is kept somewhere else.

Those of you coming to Prescott will probably see it then!
Martin

Sounds great, pleased you're enjoying it and it living up to expectations.  Will you be able to / want to use it a bit more now the weather is better?
Stuntman

I've been using it in all weathers anyway, but yes!  More opportunity to lean on the car when it's dry and reasonably warm.  Kills Bugs Fast, as Porsche's memorable slogan rightly has it
Roadsterstu

I'm very much looking forward to seeing it at Prescott and really hope there is time for a passenger ride too. I'd better bring some decent wine...!
gooner

Looking forward to seeing, and hearing, it too. I'm glad it's in the hands of someone like you who appreciates it for the driving experience on offer not the pride of place it can take in a car collection.
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
Mostly all good.  

I've done 1965 miles now, official running-in ended at 3000km (circa 1865 miles).  The ride is pretty good in mixed driving, firm but not harsh, though it does find more bumps than the Cayman S, and can therefore feel slightly unsettling.  There's a bump before corner-entry to a fast 3rd gear right hander on one of my favourite driving routes and I have to take that corner slower in the GT4 than in my other steeds to avoid being discombobulated in my seat!

Economy - well, pretty good really at 24ish to date.  It will probably end up behaving similarly to the Cayman S unless I really cane it for prolonged periods of time.

Noise - fabulous.  I have to say I'm a fan of the sports exhaust.  I've done one tunnel run in it (A40 near Monmouth) and I couldn't believe how good it sounded.  However, it's impossible to start the car and drive off quietly.  The noise is loud on startup and then quietens down after about 1 minute.  This is a bit childish and annoying, I wish the car was more discreet.

Power - strong.  I've yet to take it out for a proper spirited drive on quiet roads for an extended period using the full rev range.  

Handling: turn-in is close to immediate, and you can feel the diff working on corner exit when you add power.  Grip is very strong in the dry.  Wet handling and grip is predictable and good, although I tend to drive smoothly and precisely in those conditions anyway. Steering feel is acceptably OK to very good.

Seat comfort: personally I am very pleased with how comfortable the buckets are over any distance.  All 7 passengers so far have agreed!!

Interior stuff: well the satnav isn't as good as the M3's system and the audio isn't up to much either, but that's not what makes the car.  That said, I wish they were a bit better considering the enormous cost.  The plastic 'chrome' accents around the dashboard vents are too reflective, it would be better if they were a matt finish.  The leather/alcanatara certainly lifts the interior and the quality is very good.

Exterior stuff: the headlights are excellent and I like the quality and finish of the details on the front and rear bumpers and spoilers etc.  The car has a few small stonechips already but it's there to be used and enjoyed.  I didn't pay for any film or serum protection.

The one downside: the car is so low to the ground at the front that it doesn't go into my garage.  My driveway is on a downslope and then there's a small upslope into the opening of my garage.  This resultant V shape causes the front splitter to ground out.  I will need someone to fix the driveway or I will need to move house.  In the meantime, the car either lives on the drive or is kept somewhere else.

Those of you coming to Prescott will probably see it then!


1950 miles on mine now.
Seats are interesting,did a six hour stint and got out with no backache,also made me realize I have my adjustable seats a bit too reclined .

It's not a great long distance car ,road noise is too intrusive,it's also crap in traffic as the clutch is too heavy for such stuff.

Amazing fun on a good road though,genuinely difficult to think of many cars that can match it for entertainment.

It has a feel good factor that only a gt3 matches in the Porsche range.

could do with a smidge more power or better gear ratios as it does slightly lack straight line oomph.
Stuntman

Agree with you on the road noise, although it's not absolutely terrible.  Longest continuous journey I've done in the GT4 was about 140 miles.  Yes, clutch a bit heavier than the cooking cars but again, not ridiculous.

Funnily enough I think the car is quick in a straight line at low to medium revs, but the couple of times I've taken it above 5000 so far it has seemed just a touch flat.  Certainly didn't build speed as quickly as i was expecting.  More research needed, probably this evening!  
gooner

Stuntman wrote:
Agree with you on the road noise, although it's not absolutely terrible.  Longest continuous journey I've done in the GT4 was about 140 miles.  Yes, clutch a bit heavier than the cooking cars but again, not ridiculous.

Funnily enough I think the car is quick in a straight line at low to medium revs, but the couple of times I've taken it above 5000 so far it has seemed just a touch flat.  Certainly didn't build speed as quickly as i was expecting.  More research needed, probably this evening!  


Franki's perception of straight line speed may suffer from the Aston he had before!
franki68

gooner wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
Agree with you on the road noise, although it's not absolutely terrible.  Longest continuous journey I've done in the GT4 was about 140 miles.  Yes, clutch a bit heavier than the cooking cars but again, not ridiculous.

Funnily enough I think the car is quick in a straight line at low to medium revs, but the couple of times I've taken it above 5000 so far it has seemed just a touch flat.  Certainly didn't build speed as quickly as i was expecting.  More research needed, probably this evening!  


Franki's perception of straight line speed may suffer from the Aston he had before!


Yep,look at the performance figures and there doesn't seem much in it,but the difference is huge.
Stuntman

My 70 mile research today suggests that the car accelerates pretty strongly with 6000-7000 revs showing, and the sound changes again too
Roadsterstu

Stuntman wrote:
My 70 mile research today suggests that the car accelerates pretty strongly with 6000-7000 revs showing, and the sound changes again too


Good man!
Roadsterstu

Having had a passenger ride yesterday, I can certainly vouch for how good the car sounds from inside. The engine and transmission noise are seriously addictive. From outside, it's even better - following Dan at a sedate pace there are pops and growls and the auto blip on down changes sounds very naughty!

On the road the ride is firm but the damping is excellent, giving a feeling of tight body control with a very forgiving ride. Even from the passenger seat I could get a sense of the front end biting into corners at the relatively mild speeds we were doing.

The carbon buckets are great - very comfy, very grippy - athough I felt a slight lack of lumbar support but I do sit with my arse right back in the seat so maybe with time it's something I'd be able to adapt to.

The interior is very nice with the leather and alcantara.

It drew a fair amount of attention in the car park. I'm not sure how I'd like that, having never owned anything that attention-grabbing.

Fab car.  Definitely something very special.
franki68

That wasn't you today near the fossbridge dip Dan?
Stuntman

I don't think so - I was driving to Reading in the M3 to meet some recruitment consultants.  I drove the GT4 later on but not until about 6pm and nowhere near there.

I finally saw another GT4 on the road last week.  This one was Agate Grey, going North up the M5 motorway between Taunton & Bridgwater whilst I was going the other way in the BMW.  I thought of you when I saw it, as I know it was a colour you nearly chose.

Still enjoying life with it?  I haven't driven mine much since Prescott but will probably put some decent miles on it again in mid July.  2300 miles on mine.  It just feels 'sharp' compared to my other two.
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
I don't think so - I was driving to Reading in the M3 to meet some recruitment consultants.  I drove the GT4 later on but not until about 6pm and nowhere near there.

I finally saw another GT4 on the road last week.  This one was Agate Grey, going North up the M5 motorway between Taunton & Bridgwater whilst I was going the other way in the BMW.  I thought of you when I saw it, as I know it was a colour you nearly chose.

Still enjoying life with it?  I haven't driven mine much since Prescott but will probably put some decent miles on it again in mid July.  2300 miles on mine.  It just feels 'sharp' compared to my other two.


Mine is in storage with 2200 miles on it ,we moved to a rental property down in south cerney,so with limited parking and another move in a few weeks along with a holiday Inbetween moves I couldn't bring the gt4 with,it's up in Manchester.
The day I dropped it off I drive back home and see an identical spec one ,sapphire with black wheels driving just near my then house,and I saw a sapphire one with silver wheels on fosse way hence the question.
Apart from that one white one is all I have seen.
The plan was to bring it down when we move to our proper house in August,but I am missing driving it on these roads,so I may be it when I return from holiday.
franki68

With the decision made to sell(although if no gt3 god knows what will replace it) I decided to drive it a bit more despite the atrocious roads and weather.
Now I have no idea why but its got 4000 miles on and feels like somehow in the last 500 miles it has developed another 50 bhp.

Either the engine has loosened up,or I recall Mr motorsport talking about how the large vents given the right atmospheric conditions can take it easily over 400bhp....maybe the freezing cold air ? whatever it is it is y quicker than it has been.
Stuntman

Interesting.  Haven't been in mine for a couple of weeks now (3200 miles).  I look forward to the further performance...

Have fun with it until it finally goes.
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
Interesting.  Haven't been in mine for a couple of weeks now (3200 miles).  I look forward to the further performance...

Have fun with it until it finally goes.



It's probably my imagination,so don't get your hopes up.
Roadsterstu

Stuntman wrote:
Interesting.  Haven't been in mine for a couple of weeks now (3200 miles).  I look forward to the further performance...

Have fun with it until it finally goes.


Get out in the really cold weather and see!

Franki, how are prices on the GT4 now? Softened a bit or still rising?
Chris M Wanted a V-10

franki68 wrote:

Either the engine has loosened up,or I recall Mr motorsport talking about how the large vents given the right atmospheric conditions can take it easily over 400bhp....maybe the freezing cold air ? whatever it is it is y quicker than it has been.


... or maybe Porsche have written the engine management siftware to restrict power output for ths first 3500 miles or thereabouts, and gradually liberate a few more horses as the miles are added.  I know that in "olden days", turbo boost valve springs on some cars were changed at the "running in" service as in ex-works state, power was restricted by this means
franki68

Roadsterstu wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
Interesting.  Haven't been in mine for a couple of weeks now (3200 miles).  I look forward to the further performance...

Have fun with it until it finally goes.


Get out in the really cold weather and see!

Franki, how are prices on the GT4 now? Softened a bit or still rising?


Still Getting premiums but not as strong.
PhilD

franki68 wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
Interesting.  Haven't been in mine for a couple of weeks now (3200 miles).  I look forward to the further performance...

Have fun with it until it finally goes.


Get out in the really cold weather and see!

Franki, how are prices on the GT4 now? Softened a bit or still rising?


Still Getting premiums but not as strong.


So a good idea for anyone thinking of buying one to do it now, for as soon as you sell yours Franki values will rocket!
franki68

PhilD wrote:
franki68 wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
Interesting.  Haven't been in mine for a couple of weeks now (3200 miles).  I look forward to the further performance...

Have fun with it until it finally goes.


Get out in the really cold weather and see!

Franki, how are prices on the GT4 now? Softened a bit or still rising?


Still Getting premiums but not as strong.


So a good idea for anyone thinking of buying one to do it now, for as soon as you sell yours Franki values will rocket!


correct.I am guaranteed to sell at  the wrong time.

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