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gonnabuildabuggy

Q Cars + Golf you'd forgotten, if you ever knew it existed

My preference is a Q car over a show car any day of the week so this article appealed.

I had totally forgotten the existence of the Golf Ltd, something I hankered after in the early 90's when I ran a GTI and they were regularly featured in VW owner magazines.

https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/col...mp;dm_i=1QLU,4ADWC,BFM75V,FOKYV,1

canadian bacon

my old Jetta fell into this category, although it was a GTI 16v, most people didn't give it a 2nd glance, tiny boot and chin spoilers and low key alloys, but it didn't weigh much and had 139 BHP, which was useful in 1991....shame most have been barry'd or scrapped.
Humphrey The Pug

Guy I worked with in my VW days had a VR6 Jetta, it just looked like a normal Jetta to the un-trained eye, it was much cheaper to buy and insure than the Golf VR6.
simonp

According to evo, John Barker got a Limited to 60 in less than 7 seconds and reckoned it could've gone quicker, but he broke the diff!

They only made 71 apparently and the rest of the 4WD models were lower powered (and uglier) Rallyes.
PhilD

That Golf is cool but I think I'd take the M5.
Stuntman

I remember seeing a 450 SEL 6.9 a few times in Bristol when I was a nipper.  That's my favourite from that list.
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
I remember seeing a 450 SEL 6.9 a few times in Bristol when I was a nipper. That's my favourite from that list.


but think of the parking...
Giant

simonp wrote:
According to evo, John Barker got a Limited to 60 in less than 7 seconds and reckoned it could've gone quicker, but he broke the diff!

They only made 71 apparently and the rest of the 4WD models were lower powered (and uglier) Rallyes.


Incorrect! I spent most of my teenage years listing after Rallyes.
Humphrey The Pug

Giant wrote:
simonp wrote:
According to evo, John Barker got a Limited to 60 in less than 7 seconds and reckoned it could've gone quicker, but he broke the diff!

They only made 71 apparently and the rest of the 4WD models were lower powered (and uglier) Rallyes.


Incorrect! I spent most of my teenage years listing after Rallyes.


Guy at the same garage as the guy with a VR6 Jetta had a Rallye; absolutely awesome car.
Stuntman

PhilD wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
I remember seeing a 450 SEL 6.9 a few times in Bristol when I was a nipper. That's my favourite from that list.


but think of the parking...


Good point.  I'm fairly rubbish at parking at the best of times!
Roadsterstu

A Q car is vastly preferable over a shouty car, to me.  I think the V50 T5 sits within the category. I'd never heard of the golf Limited. In its time that was a seriously fast car, then. From that list, in realistic current day availability terms, I'd still happily take a Passat W8. In estate form.
PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
A Q car is vastly preferable over a shouty car


I like a shouty Q car  
Racing Teatray

I like all of those.

One of my godfathers, who was ostensibly a gentlemen farmer in Dorset, had a 6.9. It was white with a blue velour interior and he had bought it new back some time back in the 1970s and kept it until his death. Drove it like Toad on speed and never washed it unless he was going up to London, in which case someone would be tasked with scraping the moss off the roof...
PG

Of that list, I'd take the BMW if it was an auto, or failing that the Merc - just for its sheer bargeness.

I agree with Frankel that pure Q cars probably don't exist any more, but there are still sporty cars that are not shouty. A sort of Q-car-lite. It's one of the things I like about my XFR.
Martin

Would that be the bright red XF with the aftermarket exhaust?  Not shouty at all!    

I'm a big fan of the Q car principle, there aren't many proper ones these days, but it's why I'd have an M135i or Golf R (rebadged of course!) over a Civic/Megane/RS etc
Racing Teatray

Nobody who isn't into cars has any idea that my car is particularly quick.

I was reminded about this last night when an Italian friend who was around for dinner commented that a Porsche would be quite a step up from "your 1-series".

He was quite startled when I noted that the 1-series had a turbocharged 3.0 litre engine with over 300bhp and would keep a standard 997 Carrera honest to 60.
PG

Martin wrote:
Would that be the bright red XF with the aftermarket exhaust? Not shouty at all!




OK, OK, apart from it being bright red and having an after-market exhaust, it's not shouty at all.
Martin

Clunes

I think my SV8 falls into this category.

It looks exactly the same as other pre-face-lift XF models - only the badge to differentiate it and that's fairly subtle.

It's also rare enough (359 licensed) that folk probably don't know what it is even if they see the badge.

Which reminds me, pulled into a pub car park to turn around last weekend and the only other car in there was a blue SV8. A pretty rare sight to have two next to each other so grabbed a very quick pic but cannot seem to post from my phone.
PG

Clunes wrote:
I think my SV8 falls into this category.


Yes, it definitely does. Still enjoying it?
Clunes

On the whole yes

It's comfortable, refined, fast etc but there are a few niggles that always play on the back of my mind and I never stop looking at alternatives (although that's always been the same for any car I've owned).

Resolving the issues is probably not massively expensive and throwing a couple of grand at it would probably get it feeling spot on again. It's also thrown a couple of relatively big bills but nothing vaguely approaching depreciation or repayment costs on something interesting (recent was 1500 for full service, expensive alternator replacement and coolant pipe replacement that involved a 6 hour strip and rebuild of the supercharger as the pipe runs under it)

The problem is that for the money I'd get for the car I'd have to stump up a lot of extra to get something I'd consider a 'step up' or even equivalent to be fair - I've nearly started a thread a number of times and have followed the 20k thread with interest :)

It's likely the wife will want to replace the Disco before I'll get to change mine anyway :)

Regarding it's rarity guess what car I pulled in next to at the office! A silver SV8 - like effing buses!
Sav

An E60 550i SE is my favourite Q car, on initial appearance it looks like a 523i. If only the current 550i had retained two circular tail pipes together, it would have looked like a 520.
gonnabuildabuggy

I keep on forgetting about those. i loved my E500 for it's Q car ness.
simonp

They're easy to spot. They"re the ones always in a petrol station!
Martin

Not the diesel ones.
simonp

My apologies, I thought the 550i and E500 were petrol models...
Martin

I apologise, I thought you meant Q cars in general.  
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Volvo S80 V8; Passat W8
Roadsterstu

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Volvo S80 V8; Passat W8


Now that V8, in a V70 body.... Oh yes.
Alf McQueef

Clunes wrote:
I think my SV8 falls into this category.



It certainly does, and when I was shopping, XF SV8's were exceptional value. I'd love to see what they are like some time.

To be honest, the XFR - especially in my colour and not always that clean - is something of a Q Car, as are the various flavours of E-class AMG, they are distinguishable to a car nut but very close to the standard car, and big saloons make good Q-cars just for being a type of car you rarely see being door-handled. I was followed by an E63AMG in traffic on Wednesday for some time, it was only when it went a different way and had some open road that I heard it and saw it scream off into the sunset that I realised what it was.

And that's how I like my Q cars - not just stuff that's reasonably brisk in a basic body, but stuff that's really insanely fast - and that you can hear from inside surrounding cars at max chat - that the rest of the time just blends in.

Q cars are a funny thing - my old school friends and I have always loved them. One had a Vento VR6 (with the standard tiny wheels) for ages, back in its day that was about as Q-car as you could get.
Racing Teatray

The M420 Cdi I was passengered in earlier this year was decidedly Q. It was indecently quick.

The 2nd gen Audi A3 with the 3.2 V6 was a proper sleeper too. Debadged and in non-SLine trim, it was utterly indistinguishable from a cooking A3.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi...rt--------------2005t/5791393?v=c

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