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Twelfth Monkey

Power steering pump?

I've noticed that there's a noise from the steering that's started in the last week or so, accompanied by a tiny bit of vibration through the wheel rim.  It only happens on start-up first thing and only when the wheel is turned (i.e. if I've parked up and left the car for an hour or more, it doesn't do it then), and is gone before I get to the end of the street.

Do I take it that this is a sign that the power steering pump is on its way out?

Clutch is going to need replacing soon, so I may just bite the bullet and get them both done.
TreVoR

Check the fluid level first.  It may also be a loose belt.
Twelfth Monkey

My fear is that the dealer will opt for replace-as-easiest solution, without concern for my wallet, so thanks for that.  There's a good indie not too far away, and I might see what they've got to say.
Twelfth Monkey

Fluid is a little below the minimum indicator - will source some and see.  Looks like the pump is £990 plus VAT plus labour, so I'm hoping it's not that.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

I take it therefore that it's hydraulic not electric?
In which case if it is the pump, you can start to look round for prices of refurbished/old "new" stock etc.  Nearly a grand for a PAS pump is a bit steep, putting it mildly
Blarno

PAS fluid gets old and manky over time. Check the colour - it should be a clear cherry red colour. If it's black, it's knackered and needs changing.
Twelfth Monkey

Car was only serviced in October, and I notice that checking it is one of the items to be done at a routine service.  Anyway, colour's OK (thanks for the tip, Blarno), and touch wood a small amount of fluid seems to have done the trick.  I think I'll see how it is in the morning before I get carried away, but I'm cautiously optimistic.  

Typo Chris, should have been £900, not £990.  Makes me feel so much better...   And yes, it's hydraulic steering, manual gearbox, no launch control, naturally aspirated - a proper dinosaur, eh?  But then it'll be nine in January.
Alf McQueef

The Passat V6's steering groaned a little when using lots of lock, for the whole time I had the car, wiithout getting worse - the symptoms may stay very slight with no need for replacement. Fingers crossed!
PhilD

Sounds like my Punto earlier in the year and I ended up with a new steering rack. I vividly remember the guy saying "at least its not an Audi, they are really expensive" when I winced at the cost.

Hope that helps.
TreVoR

Make sure the system is bled by turning lock to lock a few times and recheck the fluid after this.
Twelfth Monkey

Will do, thanks for the advice.  The rack does make a noise if you apply the final bit of lock whilst stationery, always has done and I'm sure franki's R8 did the same.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
The rack does make a noise if you apply the final bit of lock whilst stationery, always has done and I'm sure franki's R8 did the same.

In my experience, that's true for every car with hydraulic PAS
gonnabuildabuggy

FRV PAS pump has been getting steadily noisier (albeit slowly) over the past 2 yrs, it's taken a long time to determine it's the PAS pump (rather than A/c or another bearing) but it's getting slightly annoying now.

I really need to get it done but I'm sure it can get a lot worse before it needs replacing as it's still just a hum.

Prompted by this thread I've just rung for my local garage to get me a price.

It will be the first work the Honda has needed beyond consumables in 125K miles.
Twelfth Monkey

All is well this morning.  TFFT.
Stuntman

Hurrah.  The Beast is back to rude health and the TLGPs can continue!
gooner

Hopefully that means it's an intermittent fault so can be sorted at your leisure rather than blowing a hole in your wallet just before Christmas.
TreVoR

If the fluid continues to drop without visible signs of a leak, then it is likely to be rack seals.  The fund can seep from these into the track rod gaiters so there is no way of telling you have a leak until the fluid drops noticeably.
Frank Bullitt

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
All is well this morning.  TFFT.


Top work and if the level doesn't drop, I'd suggest speaking to the servicing dealer!
Twelfth Monkey

TreVoR wrote:
If the fluid continues to drop without visible signs of a leak, then it is likely to be rack seals.  The fund can seep from these into the track rod gaiters so there is no way of telling you have a leak until the fluid drops noticeably.


The floor of the garage is leak-free, and the car is either in use or there so there's no obvious leak.  The noise came on over a period of a few weeks, so I'm hoping it's lack of attention on the part of the dealer rather than any form of leak.  I'll be checking it with the oil/tyres etc for the foreseeable future.

It's threads like this that make me wish I was more mechanically-minded!
Twelfth Monkey

gooner wrote:
Hopefully that means it's an intermittent fault so can be sorted at your leisure rather than blowing a hole in your wallet just before Christmas.


That's called road tax!
Roadsterstu

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
If the fluid continues to drop without visible signs of a leak, then it is likely to be rack seals.  The fund can seep from these into the track rod gaiters so there is no way of telling you have a leak until the fluid drops noticeably.


The floor of the garage is leak-free, and the car is either in use or there so there's no obvious leak.  The noise came on over a period of a few weeks, so I'm hoping it's lack of attention on the part of the dealer rather than any form of leak.  I'll be checking it with the oil/tyres etc for the foreseeable future.

It's threads like this that make me wish I was more mechanically-minded!


Sounds like just a low level was the cause, good news. Check the PAS fluid when car is cold, as you do with other fluids.
Twelfth Monkey

TreVoR wrote:
Check the fluid level first.  It may also be a loose belt.


Level is unchanged since I did this, so looks like it really is problem solved.  Thanks for nudging me into actually touching the oily bits rather than handing it over to the dealer, which I am sure would have involved a bill I'd have winced at!
TreVoR

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
Check the fluid level first.  It may also be a loose belt.


Level is unchanged since I did this, so looks like it really is problem solved.  Thanks for nudging me into actually touching the oily bits rather than handing it over to the dealer, which I am sure would have involved a bill I'd have winced at!


Good news.  I love it when something really simple is the fix for something that sounds like impending doom.

I suspect the garage checked the level with the car hot.  This is OK as long as they used the hot level on the dipstick if it has one - if not, it should have been done cold.

Roadsterstu

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
TreVoR wrote:
Check the fluid level first.  It may also be a loose belt.


Level is unchanged since I did this, so looks like it really is problem solved.  Thanks for nudging me into actually touching the oily bits rather than handing it over to the dealer, which I am sure would have involved a bill I'd have winced at!


Excellent and exactly why it is more or less essential to know how to do just the basics, if nothing else.

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