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Stuntman

Porsche Cayman GT4 - and to whet franki's appetite

In response to the chasing note from franki...

Today I had my half-day experience in the Cayman GT4 at the Porsche Experience Centre (PEC) at Silverstone.

After an excellent lunch, a thorough driversí briefing and a quick look inside the Human Performance Centre (including a go on the Batak machine, I scored 36 in 30 sec) it was time to get in the GT4 and see what the fuss is all about.  Conditions were wet all day...

My instructor, Mike Dunville, was excellent.  We chatted over lunch regarding my experience and what I would like to get out of the day, and he tailored the time accordingly.  His instruction was very clear and I found him to be a funny and interesting bloke.  I was really impressed by him.

They have 3 GT4s at PEC: a yellow one, a black one and a white one.  I was in the yellow car which is actually a pre-production car on German plates and apparently known as ďSebĒ.  Because itís a pre-production car, it isnít allowed to be driven on the public road.  This was potentially a bit of a shame because I wanted to see how it felt in everyday conditions, so instead we did a lap of the perimeter road at Silverstone.   This was actually very useful as I could spend 5 minutes or so getting comfortable with the car before going into the PEC facilities properly.

This was the first time Iíve driven a 981-generation car of any description and also the first time Iíve driven a car with an electronic parking brake.  Whilst Iím not a fan of it, I got used to it pretty quickly.  The clutch is very similar in weight to my current 987.1 Cayman S and the ride is perfectly fine.  Itís not ridiculously noisy either, even with the sports exhaust on.  The car would be absolutely fine in daily use.  Itís nothing at all like an Elise or Exige, for instance.

The gearshift is shorter of throw than in my car with its standard manual Ďbox; this was noticeable for the first five minutes and then it just felt normal!  The rear view is dominated by the spoiler, which again you notice for the first few minutes and then just treat it as normal.  The steering is a bit lighter in weight than in my car but itís not too light by any means.  There is some steering feel, although itís fair to say that it doesnít wriggle and writhe and I think my 987.1 is still slightly better.   That said, I found it perfectly acceptable (which is quite high praise from me) and I donít think it will be a concern day-to-day.  

Most importantly for me, the 918-style bucket seats suited me perfectly (Iím 5í10Ē and 11-and-a-half stone).  Iím now VERY happy with my choice of these.

So, back into the PEC facility and we started with a few laps of the handling circuit.  The car flows really nicely if you adopt a neat and tidy driving style and the ceramics are tremendous.  Thereís a bit of understeer, but itís the sort you get when youíre being a bit clumsy on corner entry rather than it being a fundamental problem with the car.

After that we went onto the kick plate.  Iíd had trouble with this on the brief goes Iíd had here previously but this time Mike helped me with some simple, clear instruction.  After mastering it straight away with the systems on, we then did it with the systems off, and then deliberately inducing two more slides after catching the initial one.  I only spun twice during this last phase, but worked it out fairly quickly!

Then we went onto the low friction circle.  The idea here was to send the car into oversteer, catch it and then hold the drift on the throttle (i.e. hold it all the way round the circle, and ideally hold it for more than one lap of the circle).  

Initially I found this difficult, because itís something I have never deliberately induced on the road or even on a trackday and I couldnít work out what I needed to do.  So we swapped over and Mike then demonstrated, while I watched how he caught it (quick hands and a lot more lock than I had been applying), how he kept it going (throttle control, relatively few movements of the wheel) and then how he exited it (unwinding the lock and balancing the throttle).  

So now that the penny had dropped regarding what to do, I set about trying to do it!  The best I managed was one complete circle and I got quite a few starts and holds, but a lot of the time I would spin (by giving it too much throttle after the initial catch) or understeer (by giving it throttle with too much initial lock, or not getting the initial corrective lock on quickly enough).   But I certainly got a much better feel for it.

After this we went on to the ice hill.   Now Iíve done this going downhill before, but never going uphill.  After one run with the systems on, we turned them off and aimed to go left, then right with a send (to slide the car), then left with a send (to catch and slide the car the other way, with the aim of making smooth transitions between the slides ideally as nice tidy drifts.  I managed to do this reasonably well, ďJust like Tiff NeedellĒ said Mike...

We then did the ice hill downwards, to practice controlling lift-off oversteer.  Again after one run with the systems on, we did two runs with the systems off Ė right with a send and then left with a send.  Both times I spun after sending the car the first time!   Ah well...

Then onto the new part of the PEC facility that opened last year.  This comprises another handling circuit, and two straights of about 350 metres where you can do acceleration and braking runs.  The handling loop is pretty good; itís mostly second gear with some tight technical corners and then a straight where you get up to about 80 or so before a second gear right.  I liked this loop and again the car rewarded a precise, neat style very well.  Despite it being wet, the car has loads of grip and the front-end feel gave me plenty of confidence.  Again any slight clumsiness on corner entry was down to the driver inputs and you can clearly feel when you get it right.

So on to the straights.  We did three exercises.  First, a 0-60-0 with a full-on ABS stop.  Second, we repeated this, but for the braking part, Mike said to take your hands completely off the wheel.  Finally, we did a couple of 0-70-0 runs, but this time incorporating a lane change under full ABS (right to left on the first run, left to right on the second run).  Now Iíve done these type of exercises before, but itís always impressive how well the car stops and how clever the electronics are.  And goodness me, what a noise the GT4 makes when you give it the full beans and change up at 7000 or so!

To finish, we had a few more goes on the kick plate, a couple more attempts on the low friction circle (Iíd definitely peaked at 1 full circle) and a handful of further laps of the first handling circuit.  Two and a half hours of great instruction, and full concentration.  The yellow GT4 has no aircon or climate control, so I was pretty sweaty when I got out!

So, in summary Ė I think the GT4 is bloody awesome.  Itís going to be fine on the road Ė even on Pilot Sport Cup 2s in the wet - and properly capable on the track.  The 918-style buckets fit me really well, Iím glad my car will have climate control, and Iím really looking forward to taking delivery, whether it ends up being this year or next.   Sapphire Blue, steel brakes Ė bring it on!

franki - I reckon you're going to love it as well.  Look forward to hearing about your impressions in due course
franki68

Sounds great.I was utterly abysmal at the kick plate when I did the 997 day....
Embarrassingly so.
Stuntman

It's the sort of thing that's probably quite dependent on the quality of your instruction, given that it's something you wouldn't attempt to do anywhere else!  The guy I had was really good and it makes such a difference to how much you get out of the day, I reckon.

When are you going?  I might come and say hello if I'm still out of work...
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

I hadn't really paid enough attention to the instructor, so the first time on the kick place was terrifying, as I had no idea what was going to happen. The third time I caught it, though, and was rewarded with a "good save" from the instructor.

Sounds as though you had a great day out, and the car is obviously a cracker. Sounds a bit like my old GT3, in that with the right spec, it's perfectly liveable with.
franki68

The 28th in the morning is my big day ...although I should have my car by then ...(God knows though ,Got told production was the 8th and then 2 weeks ago got a call telling me production had started )


Dr H .....I do think the gt4 is the closest thing you can now buy to a 997gt3 ,which is why I went for it.
Stuntman

Have fun on the 28th - or hopefully sooner, when your actual car arrives.  I can't make the 28th anyway, as I will be in Las Vegas playing blackjack and trying to win the price of the car
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
Have fun on the 28th - or hopefully sooner, when your actual car arrives. †I can't make the 28th anyway, as I will be in Las Vegas playing blackjack and trying to win the price of the car


I can embarrass myself in private then.

Just read ph,you met the infamous mr demon ! Odd character on the forum.

True story ,first time I went to Vegas was a family holiday when I was 12,my dad stuck a dollar in one of the slots and won $27,000 .
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
Have fun on the 28th - or hopefully sooner, when your actual car arrives. †I can't make the 28th anyway, as I will be in Las Vegas playing blackjack and trying to win the price of the car


Thatís Man Maths Xtreme! ďSo if I part-ex my current car, spread the payments over 5 years, and win £50k at the Bellagio we can easily afford this new car.Ē
Stuntman

That's very much the plan.  I'm staying at the Bellagio!
Stuntman

franki68 wrote:
Just read ph,you met the infamous mr demon ! Odd character on the forum.

True story ,first time I went to Vegas was a family holiday when I was 12,my dad stuck a dollar in one of the slots and won $27,000 .


He was completely normal in person.  About our kind of age, slim, wiry and Northern.  Knew his stuff and seemed nice!

Fantastic story.  I need to borrow that dollar...
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
That's very much the plan. †I'm staying at the Bellagio!


Tremendous hotel, make sure you do the buffet ,it's amazing and the steakhouse they have there is just magnificent.in fact all the restaurants there are superb .
Andy C

Great write up dan. I can't wait to see it
Stuntman

Cheers Andy.

Just had word from the salesperson that my car is now scheduled to complete its build on 18th November and should be at the dealership by the end of November...
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
Cheers Andy.

Just had word from the salesperson that my car is now scheduled to complete its build on 18th November and should be at the dealership by the end of November...


I get excited at the thought of getting a used car and then going onto Autotrader to find one, so god knows how you feel with a blinking GT4 being built for you and delivered in a couple of months!
Stuntman

I'm quite good at this delayed gratification lark...
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
I'm quite good at this delayed gratification lark...


two thoughts:

1 - I really don't want to know....

2 - Write a poem about it!
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
Cheers Andy.

Just had word from the salesperson that my car is now scheduled to complete its build on 18th November and should be at the dealership by the end of November...


Lol, just checked with my salesman as well.
Car is finished today so should get within the fortnight.
Stuntman

Are you going to get any sort of paint protection film fitted to it? †From reading that thread on PH, it seems as if I'm about the only person who isn't thinking of doing something like that. †I've never had it done to any car I've owned.
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
Are you going to get any sort of paint protection film fitted to it? †From reading that thread on PH, it seems as if I'm about the only person who isn't thinking of doing something like that. †I've never had it done to any car I've owned.




I want to drive it ,not wank over it,so I will be avoiding the protection.
PhilD

franki68 wrote:


Just read ph,you met the infamous mr demon ! Odd character on the forum.



http://www.pistonheads.com/gassin...s%20Discussion%20Forum.&mid=0

343 pages?  
franki68

PhilD wrote:
franki68 wrote:


Just read ph,you met the infamous mr demon ! Odd character on the forum.



http://www.pistonheads.com/gassin...s%20Discussion%20Forum.&mid=0

343 pages? †


340 page of the aforemention Mr demon telling everyone why it wont be as good as his modded cayman ,and that if he isnt he will sell it.

there were at least 3 more threads on gt4s in that forum...and at least 6 or 7 threads in the cayman forum.

Stunts...was he doing his driving day? because he posted up his driving day review a while back,and then despite telling everyone he was getting his car in november ,last week claimed to have it and posted up pictures of the porsche promotional shots as his proof....very odd.
Martin

I had a brief look at that thread (well, one related to the GT4) a while back as well as a couple of others, which was more than enough to confirm I should avoid Pistonheads like the plague!
franki68

Martin wrote:
I had a brief look at that thread (well, one related to the GT4) a while back as well as a couple of others, which was more than enough to confirm I should avoid Pistonheads like the plague!


There is some very useful information to be had on there though.

so some of the crap is worth putting up with.
Roadsterstu

Imminent Cayman GT4 arrivals, holidays in swanky Las Vegas hotels, winning 27 grand on the slot machines. This is like some amazing fantasy world!!

The cars sound fantastic, I bet you two can hardly sleep with the anticipation.   Out of interest what exactly is the kick plate? A rapid change of surface?
PhilD

Good question!

http://youtu.be/mau_u3YYqfg
Stuntman

franki68 wrote:
Stunts...was he doing his driving day? because he posted up his driving day review a while back,and then despite telling everyone he was getting his car in november ,last week claimed to have it and posted up pictures of the porsche promotional shots as his proof....very odd.


He had indeed already done his driving day a few weeks back.  He's definitely getting one (yellow) but it hasn't arrived yet.  He was there in his Peridot Green Cayman R.  No doubt there will be more news about that on PH soon  
franki68

Roadsterstu wrote:
Imminent Cayman GT4 arrivals, holidays in swanky Las Vegas hotels, winning 27 grand on the slot machines. This is like some amazing fantasy world!!

The cars sound fantastic, I bet you two can hardly sleep with the anticipation. † Out of interest what exactly is the kick plate? A rapid change of surface?


The kick plate ? It's pure pure evil of a like this world has never seen before.
Stuntman

With the right instruction, it's a proper adventure playground.  You'll soon be sending it into at least one further slide and catching it again, having already caught the slide from the initial kick.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Sounds like fun (and education, mixed into one), is the day open only to buyers of new Porsches or can anyone buy a day of such activity?
Nice Guy Eddie

Sounds fab, I was at an OPC event last night where they had a GT4 in. Looked bloody marvellous. Its great to get some proper tuition thrown in as I bet it can't be cheap.
Stuntman

Anyone can buy a day, Chris. †They have various options about what you can choose to drive. †I think you can also do it in your own car but this might have to be a Porsche.

I think the retail price of what I did (a half-day experience in a GT4) is £550. †So pretty steep, sadly, and there are better value options if your objective is education and car control.

EDIT: this one's a bit cheaper (but not as long), and the cars you'll drive are pretty interesting:
http://www.porsche.com/silverston...hedrivingexperience/rsexperience/
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:


I think the retail price of what I did (a half-day experience in a GT4) is £550. †So pretty steep, sadly


but still more Gala Bingo than Las Vegas...
Stuntman

If you can get past the Shmee-ness, the video's very good. †Barry Horne's driving is spectacular! †
Wish I'd found this before I went on Monday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r4zmSWhqD8
Martin

Stuntman wrote:
Anyone can buy a day, Chris. †They have various options about what you can choose to drive. †I think you can also do it in your own car but this might have to be a Porsche.


I looked into doing one of the experiences, but think that it would be much better to do it in your own car (it does need to be a Porsche), but I'd rather do it in one of theirs.  It was £400 for a half day in your own car. † Might just be better to buy a new Porsche and get the experience for free.....every little helps when it comes to man maths!
Roadsterstu

Martin wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
Anyone can buy a day, Chris. †They have various options about what you can choose to drive. †I think you can also do it in your own car but this might have to be a Porsche.


I looked into doing one of the experiences, but think that it would be much better to do it in your own car (it does need to be a Porsche), but I'd rather do it in one of theirs. †It was £400 for a half day in your own car. † Might just be better to buy a new Porsche and get the experience for free.....every little helps when it comes to man maths!


I like your thinking but why not just bite the bullet, get yours on the track and you and Lindsey both have a go?  It's a great way to wreck your tyres!
Roadsterstu

PhilD wrote:
Good question!

http://youtu.be/mau_u3YYqfg


Oooh, tricky!
Martin

Roadsterstu wrote:
Martin wrote:
Stuntman wrote:
Anyone can buy a day, Chris. †They have various options about what you can choose to drive. †I think you can also do it in your own car but this might have to be a Porsche.


I looked into doing one of the experiences, but think that it would be much better to do it in your own car (it does need to be a Porsche), but I'd rather do it in one of theirs. †It was £400 for a half day in your own car. † Might just be better to buy a new Porsche and get the experience for free.....every little helps when it comes to man maths!


I like your thinking but why not just bite the bullet, get yours on the track and you and Lindsey both have a go? †It's a great way to wreck your tyres!


We still might do that.  The tyres only last 9,000 miles on the road, so that wouldn't take long!
PG

Roadsterstu wrote:
Imminent Cayman GT4 arrivals, holidays in swanky Las Vegas hotels, winning 27 grand on the slot machines. This is like some amazing fantasy world!!





Roadsterstu wrote:
The cars sound fantastic, I bet you two can hardly sleep with the anticipation. † Out of interest what exactly is the kick plate? A rapid change of surface?


I was thinking stunts had just mis-typed skd pan until I realised that a skid plan would be just too low tech for ze Germans.
franki68

How do you upload image from iPhone ?
JohnC

Wish I could see something!
JohnC

franki68 wrote:
How do you upload image from iPhone ?


I don't know if it is the only way but I email it to my PC, save it and then click attach file and search for it on the PC.

I have never been able to upload anything directly from my iphone but I am sure there are those who can!
franki68

grrrrr

Have to wait until I'm at a pc
PhilD







PhilD

Try the usual way and it should give you the option of choosing from your photo library
Michael

Living dangerously on battery life there, Phil.
PhilD

I was hoping for a much better battery with my new 6 but it can't even manage 12 hours. Not impressed.
Stuntman

Presumably franki's car has arrived at the dealership...  
Let's hope it's on the road before your PEC day on Wednesday!
franki68

keep getting 'failed to upload'
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PhilD

Ah, there's a MB limit and phone cameras are pretty powerful these days. Could be that. Cropping will help or take a screen shot of the photo!
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
Presumably franki's car has arrived at the dealership... †
Let's hope it's on the road before your PEC day on Wednesday!


Mad few days,phone call on Thursday saying boat has arrived,ensuing conversation resulted in me realising I had marked the 28th but it was the 23rd as the sales guy told me to check as he had me down for the 23rd.drove down last night and did my pec day this morning.
On the drive back get email from dealer with photo of car after it had been unloaded from transporter.
Great day,not a lot to add to your write up just some random thoughts
Car was black, did it no favours .
Ceramics...glad didn't choose,squealed constantly .Over braked , the tyres can't grip as fast as the car decelerates when you do a fast stop.
The kick plate was mastered,so much easier in Cayman than in 911.

Car is tremendous fun, the noise is superb ,best sounding Porsche I will have owned.
gearing is odd,don't know if it will be an issue on the road ,and didn't lessen the car ,it was just odd.Its weakness is you don't get to use that magical gear change as much as you would like.
Martin

Exciting times!!

Is this the first Porsche you've had with a sports exhaust?  In my admittedly limited experience, it makes a huge difference.

When are you picking it up?
franki68

Martin wrote:
Exciting times!!

Is this the first Porsche you've had with a sports exhaust? †In my admittedly limited experience, it makes a huge difference.

When are you picking it up?


next thursday probably,maybe wednesday.

All my 911s have had sports exhaust when possible ,but this is different,engine feels better than in carrera for some reason .Even the salesman said how good and different it sounds from the carrera S
franki68



just off the transporter,white tape a porsche £3000 option.
Stuntman

Phwoar!

The rubber splitter/lip at the front must be a separate fitment then?
EDIT: I see now, there must be blue tape over part of it, as the black bit is definitely in place at the side.
franki68

Stuntman wrote:
Phwoar!

The rubber splitter/lip at the front must be a separate fitment then?
EDIT: I see now, there must be blue tape over part of it, as the black bit is definitely in place at the side.


The main bit of the splitter has to be fitted at the dealer  ,the car is also on blocks hence the gap between the wheelarches and the wheels.
The blue foam roll at the front is the new parking sensor system.
PhilD

Snowing oop north already I see.
Stuntman

At least the blue of the PFPS (Porsche Foam Parking System) co-ordinates reasonably well with the Sapphire Blue paintwork
JohnC

That looks great and it is definitely the right colour. I really like the front end with the GT3 type grill just in front of the bonnet.

They will hopefully get it delivered and prepped quickly.
Martin

Looks great, I hope you get it quickly.
Roadsterstu

Niiiiice!
TreVoR

That is stunning.

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