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Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Porsche 911R

I want!






http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...leaks-out-ahead-geneva-motor-show
Martin

As long as you can get it without the stripes, so do I.  Very much.
franki68

Extremely limited numbers ,much lower than gt3 production  and allegedly a price in excess of 200k ,So fuck all chance of getting one
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Martin wrote:
As long as you can get it without the stripes, so do I.  Very much.

Not so much that, as that the stripes on the doors should at the very least be the same colour as the ones across the bonnet/roof/boot
Nelson

Just perfect. I notice it's the pre-facelift model with the previous style running lights and indicator units. No worries, that minor detail is in this case insignificant. So much want there
Frank Bullitt

The striped look crap, but very appealing even if it is a 'back to basics in every way except the price' Porsche special
Andy C

GT3 RS engine and a manual box.. Just about perfect for me
simonp

Why is the forum default to link to the Autocar story? I thought we didn't like them?



Appears to me, without clicking the link, that it's a GT3 (RS) with less bits and more price. Fools and their money...
Nice Guy Eddie

If you consider that getting into a 991 RS will take at least 250k this represents decent value for money.
Grampa

Martin wrote:
As long as you can get it without the stripes, so do I.  Very much.


+ 1 - why take a lovely car and make it look like it's suffering from a 17 year old's first visit to Halfords?
Big Blue

I like 911s but they are so numerous and samey that I couldn't see myself in one, whereas once upon a time it was the zenith of want.
simonp

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
If you consider that getting into a 991 RS will take at least 250k this represents decent value for money.


We're back to fools again. They weren't that much new, were they? I only wish I had the money to order a new LE Porsche so I could sell it to a fool for double what I paid for it. Some of these things have more owners on their V5 than miles on the odometer and that makes me feel a little sad.
Roadsterstu

Martin wrote:
As long as you can get it without the stripes, so do I.  Very much.


+ another
Martin

£134,000.  

That will double in value as soon as it arrives.
Michael

I love that. Drop the red stripes but I'd keep those on the doors.
simonp

From the sniffpetrol Geneva report:

Quote:
Porsche delighted car journalists by announcing the long-awaited 911R. ‘Oh great,’ sighed the person responsible for getting semen out of bed linen in Geneva hotels.
Martin

It's on the configurator.  GT silver, full leather (natural brown), carbon buckets, LED headlights and a few other options...£147,000.   That's about the same as a Turbo S without any options.
franki68

Why is it 35k more than a gt3?
Martin

Because Porsche usually charge more for less?  It's priced in line with the GT3 RS.
PhilD

Is it a GT3 RS with no spoiler and a manual gearbox?
Martin

It sounds like it's mainly a GT3 RS with Ceramic brakes, so it's actually slightly cheaper on a like for like basis.  I'd much rather have one than an RS and the list price is irrelevant as you can't get one and then it will be worth double after delivery.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

If it has the RS engine and ceramics, it's not bad at that price. And a manual gearbox.
Andy C

JohnC

That type of behaviour might keep a small proportion of the owners faithful and grateful but it doesn't exactly endear the brand to those who might have been saving for 20 years or finally paid off the mortgage and can now afford it.
Nice Guy Eddie

I know of one R that hasn't gone to a 918 owner. Allegedly in return for a car this customer offered to P/x his current GT3 RS for what he paid, circa 145k and I understand the OPC brokered a deal which netted them a near 6 figure profit on the car to a customer who missed out on the RS when they were new.
Humphrey The Pug

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I know of one R that hasn't gone to a 918 owner. Allegedly in return for a car this customer offered to P/x his current GT3 RS for what he paid, circa 145k and I understand the OPC brokered a deal which netted them a near 6 figure profit on the car to a customer who missed out on the RS when they were new.


Is that your mate with the orange one that I've seen over the road from work, I had a chat with him last month about his GT3, I've posted pictures of it on "Today I Saw"?
Nice Guy Eddie

No different guy. My mate had his name down for an R but was told there was no chance, I think most dealers only got one car
franki68

'We're going to produce a drivers car,but produce it in such small numbers that people will stick them in their garage and not drive them as they will be great investments'.

No chance of getting one,good job a gen 2 gt3 is looming and Aston have been telling customers that a v12vS with a manual box is incoming.
JohnC

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I know of one R that hasn't gone to a 918 owner. Allegedly in return for a car this customer offered to P/x his current GT3 RS for what he paid, circa 145k and I understand the OPC brokered a deal which netted them a near 6 figure profit on the car to a customer who missed out on the RS when they were new.


There was a time when dealers weren't allowed to make this kind of arrangement. All this overvaluing and paying over the odds, smacks of something like the dotcom crash which was just primed for a massive fall.
Big Blue

Speaking of special models with "R" designation, do VW currently make any other model of Golf?

Every new Golf I see is an R
Humphrey The Pug

Big Blue wrote:
Speaking of special models with "R" designation, do VW currently make any other model of Golf?

Every new Golf I see is an R


I'm seeing rather a lot too; two this morning infact.
Alf McQueef

JohnC wrote:
That type of behaviour might keep a small proportion of the owners faithful and grateful but it doesn't exactly endear the brand to those who might have been saving for 20 years or finally paid off the mortgage and can now afford it.


Indeed. I love Porsche products but I sometimes wonder whether they will end up with anyone other than the super rich buying their cars. I wonder how many people initially buy a SH one that is out of warranty, and then get put off with the ridiculous parts and servicing costs, and the very average reliability. I'm fond of the facelifted Panameras but I suspect running costs would be eye watering. They are not the only act in town, neither are they as desirable or exclusive as a Ferrari or Lamborghini, and they need to remember that.
Andy C

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Speaking of special models with "R" designation, do VW currently make any other model of Golf?

Every new Golf I see is an R


I'm seeing rather a lot too; two this morning infact.


Probably to do with all those ridiculous lease deals they were doing last year
Martin

Andy C wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Speaking of special models with "R" designation, do VW currently make any other model of Golf?

Every new Golf I see is an R


I'm seeing rather a lot too; two this morning infact.


Probably to do with all those ridiculous lease deals they were doing last year


Must be.  I parked in our staff car park for the first time in ages a couple of weeks ago and counted 6 of them, easily the most common car. (It's not a big car park)
Martin

Oh great, you will be able to look at it on the storage companies webcam parked next to your GT3 RS....  

http://www.pistonheads.com/classi...l-rhd-uk-car-16-miles/5427118?v=b
franki68

Alf McQueef wrote:
JohnC wrote:
That type of behaviour might keep a small proportion of the owners faithful and grateful but it doesn't exactly endear the brand to those who might have been saving for 20 years or finally paid off the mortgage and can now afford it.


Indeed. I love Porsche products but I sometimes wonder whether they will end up with anyone other than the super rich buying their cars. I wonder how many people initially buy a SH one that is out of warranty, and then get put off with the ridiculous parts and servicing costs, and the very average reliability. I'm fond of the facelifted Panameras but I suspect running costs would be eye watering. They are not the only act in town, neither are they as desirable or exclusive as a Ferrari or Lamborghini, and they need to remember that.


IN fairness the running  costs are significantly different from ferrari and lambo,as are the purchase prices .
Eff One

Big Blue wrote:
Speaking of special models with "R" designation, do VW currently make any other model of Golf?

Every new Golf I see is an R


+1. In this part of the world, I see more Golf Rs than either Focus or Fiesta STs.
Humphrey The Pug

I'm surprised at the amount of Golf R's about as from what I read they are a bit of theft magnet; to the point of violent burglary to get the keys.
Andy C

Look at the deals  you used to be able to get

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/g...-17-centralvehicleleasing-2013734
Michael

Was that 10k per annum or over the two year period? Either way a lot of low mileage Golf Rs are going to be hitting the used market later this year.
simonp

Weirdly, I can only recall seeing a few Golf Rs. They are reasonably hard to tell apart from a normal Golf, though.
PhilD

simonp wrote:
Weirdly, I can only recall seeing a few Golf Rs. They are reasonably hard to tell apart from a normal Golf, though.


Easy to tell from a normal golf, but not from GTD and GTi
franki68

This months car magazine do a 918 vs 991r vs gt4 ,  the gt4 dusted itself down and gave a bit of a David vs Goliath performance .
simonp

Autocrap reckons these are "worth" nearly a million quid already!
PhilD

simonp wrote:
Autocrap reckons these are "worth" nearly a million quid already!


Just buy a Singer!
Blarno

Value and worth are clearly two separate things here.
Stuntman

When the manual 991.2 GT3 comes out in the next year or so, I suspect that some of the froth will disappear from the 911R.  But given its limited availability (and hence appeal to the trophy hunters), the prices will remain strong.

991.1 GT3 RS prices have softened considerably over the last few weeks.  Far more of these cars have come to the UK than was originally thought.  It's the same with GT4s.  Good news for people who want one to drive, less good news for those buying for 'investment'.
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
 But given its limited availability (and hence appeal to the trophy hunters), the prices will remain strong.

.


Which makes sense for classics and modern classics but when Porsche could quite easily make more of these, or, as you say, stick a manual in the next GT3 then it's plain silly.
Nice Guy Eddie

I shall wait to see what happens with GT4 prices with interest.

I've just got into a Diet 981 Cayman that they were giving away at the Porsche dealer as a year end special. I'll stick with it until the M2 arrives next year but my ideal Cayman would probably be a GTS manual but the GT4 just looks so good.
Stuntman

There are far more GT4s in the UK than GTS manuals.  And it's highly likely that the next GT4 will be a nat-asp flat six manual, whereas the 718 GTS has been confirmed as being turbo four.

Hope you're enjoying the diet Cayman!
JohnC

I have a client with a Cayman GTS manual in a glorious dark blue metallic and the multi spoke wheels - it looks fantastic. I have told him to let me know when he is selling it!
Stuntman

Just ask him when he's going on holiday
JohnC

Stuntman wrote:
Just ask him when he's going on holiday


I have taken him golfing to Gleneagles twice this year so he owes me!
Nice Guy Eddie

Stuntman wrote:


Hope you're enjoying the diet Cayman!


Loving it so far. Could do with a fair amount more power but it handles like nothing else. The colour makes me look like a member of the travelling community and the wheels do a good impersonation of a Christmas tree but the noise is something else.

If you haven't guessed, its as follows
WHITE (Don't ask)
2.7 Manual
20 inch Turbo S Alloys
Sports Exhaust

Other bits
Nav
Bose
Illuminated kick plates (get me)
DAB
Black Leather
Heated Seats
Dual Zone Climate
er, I think that's it but I discover more things on a daily basis.

I will put some picks up at some point
franki68

A manual gt3.2 has me drooling, fingers crossed as I got a letter in ages ago.

The gt4 has been in storage the last 5 weeks as we moved down south ,and been in holiday but hopefully picking it up this week.
franki68

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Stuntman wrote:


Hope you're enjoying the diet Cayman!


Loving it so far. Could do with a fair amount more power but it handles like nothing else. The colour makes me look like a member of the travelling community and the wheels do a good impersonation of a Christmas tree but the noise is something else.

If you haven't guessed, its as follows
WHITE (Don't ask)
2.7 Manual
20 inch Turbo S Alloys
Sports Exhaust

Other bits
Nav
Bose
Illuminated kick plates (get me)
DAB
Black Leather
Heated Seats
Dual Zone Climate
er, I think that's it but I discover more things on a daily basis.

I will put some picks up at some point


They do handle brilliantly and the size makes them perfect for the uk.
Sounds lovely ,and manual too... Good stuff.
Stuntman

franki68 wrote:
A manual gt3.2 has me drooling, fingers crossed as I got a letter in ages ago.

The gt4 has been in storage the last 5 weeks as we moved down south ,and been in holiday but hopefully picking it up this week.


I'm still not working at the moment, drop me a PM if you fancy a meetup and drive.  Was up near Stow this morning in the GT4!

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