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Michael

Peugeot 3008



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...-hybrid-lead-brands-electric-push
PhilD

Not sure about the front but the rest I like, especially the rear lights. Plug in hybrid for me please.
JohnC

That, to my eyes, is very stylish.
Michael

The front is unpleasant but the back is quite nice. Is the existing 3008 meant to be a crossover then? Terrible looking cars seemingly driven exclusively by coffin dodgers.
PG

Sides and back - yes.
Front - looks a mess.

Seems that everybody has now decided that PHEV's are the way forward.  

But I'm not sure I agree with PSA that electric only will work in small cars. Yes if you view them as city cars. But most people also need to take their 208 onto the motorway or use it as an only car. So a small car, which means small batteries and small range, is not going to work.
Frank Bullitt

Michael wrote:
Is the existing 3008 meant to be a crossover then?


Yes it is - the idea was that it would have most of the appeal of a crossover without looking like a faux 4x4 - they are based on the old C4 Picasso and we did look at one but the interior space on offer was poor and the interior generally was quite unpleasant - I don't think we drove it to be honest.

I like this, the front 3/4 angle does look a bit awkward but CAR has some pictures taken from a slightly different angle which are more complimentary.  We took a Qashqai out at the weekend and Mrs FB is utterly sold on it (for good reasons, I hasten to add) but I quite like this to be honest and it's probably worth waiting for, shame the plug-in will take longer to arrive.
Andy C

The front is laughable , the rest ..meh
Nelson

The front certainly divides opinion, I'm sitting on the fence with this one until I have seen one on the road but I think a dark grey or blue with the contrasting roof side panel will look rather nice.

Peugeot are certainly pulling off some very pleasing designs lately, having seen a few 308's I rather like them, the strobbing front indicator lights caught my eye. Handsome if probably rather mundane family hatch but I really really really dislike the interior design and ergonomics, reliant on the touchscreen and the deep set dials away from the driver just looks wrong. It doesn't lend itself to an air of a prestige marque.

The 3008's i-cockpit looks better, a few traditional toggle style buttons and I'd hope the new digitised dials work better.

Forum ban soon as I could see myself in an SUV. I've been taking a key eye on the new Seat Ateca if I'm honest, may look at PCP deals towards the end of the year
Humphrey The Pug

I like that, including the front of it which is a bit reminiscent of the new Sportage.

This is certainly an improvement over the current, very bland and unloved 3008.

Michael wrote:
Terrible looking cars seemingly driven exclusively by coffin dodgers.


Yes and the owners always think they are worth way more than what they actually are, I have never taken on in as a part ex; I've had a few tries, the owners always have a massive overly inflated opinion as to what they are worth, more so that any other car I can think of.
Frank Bullitt

Nelson wrote:
Forum ban soon as I could see myself in an SUV. I've been taking a key eye on the new Seat Ateca if I'm honest, may look at PCP deals towards the end of the year


Not at all (or if it is then that will be two of us), after taking a 1.2 petrol Qashqai out at the weekend I can completely are the appeal of the genre I'm a way I hadn't before. I'm not sure I would specifically chose the Nissan for a small number f reasons but the new 3008 puretech 130 floats my boat
Chris M Wanted a V-10

PhilD wrote:
..... but the rest I like, especially the rear lights.

Remind you of a Mustang, perhaps ?
Tim

The look of the side in the rear 3/4 view reminds me a bit of the BMW i3 (I think, it's been a while since I saw one).
PhilD

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
PhilD wrote:
..... but the rest I like, especially the rear lights.

Remind you of a Mustang, perhaps ?


More a LED watch from the 1970s and Knight Rider.
Racing Teatray

There's something about this sort of car, which has proliferated of late, that makes my eyes glaze over. I find them no more interesting than I find my fridge, and that would hugely put me off owning one.
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
There's something about this sort of car, which has proliferated of late, that makes my eyes glaze over. I find them no more interesting than I find my fridge, and that would hugely put me off owning one.


I find fridges quite interesting!
Frank Bullitt

Racing Teatray wrote:
There's something about this sort of car, which has proliferated of late, that makes my eyes glaze over. I find them no more interesting than I find my fridge, and that would hugely put me off owning one.


I get that, but feeding on from the thread on forms of propulsion there is something deeply useful about such vehicles for families - they may not be the last word in precision or quality but they do so many clever things right that they are hard to ignore.

As a vehicle to biff about in as a family I hate to say, I get it.
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
There's something about this sort of car, which has proliferated of late, that makes my eyes glaze over. I find them no more interesting than I find my fridge, and that would hugely put me off owning one.


I get that, but feeding on from the thread on forms of propulsion there is something deeply useful about such vehicles for families - they may not be the last word in precision or quality but they do so many clever things right that they are hard to ignore.

As a vehicle to biff about in as a family I hate to say, I get it.


and they have got to be more interesting than a MPV surely? or does their proliferation now lump them in the same boat?
Michael

Frank Bullitt wrote:

I get that, but feeding on from the thread on forms of propulsion there is something deeply useful about such vehicles for families - they may not be the last word in precision or quality but they do so many clever things right that they are hard to ignore.

As a vehicle to biff about in as a family I hate to say, I get it.


Other than the raised driving position and different style what does this offer over the equivalent hatchback?
Martin

I understand MPVs more than this sort of vehicle, all I can see that it offers is a slightly higher driving position, whereas an MPV (usually) has 3 proper seats in the back that can be moved backwards/forwards, the option of 7 seats, better access etc.
Blarno

I'll stick to my estate car. I don't get the high driving position thing.
PhilD

Michael wrote:


Other than the raised driving position and different style what does this offer over the equivalent hatchback?


Martin wrote:
I understand MPVs more than this sort of vehicle, all I can see that it offers is a slightly higher driving position, whereas an MPV (usually) has 3 proper seats in the back that can be moved backwards/forwards, the option of 7 seats, better access etc.


MPVs are undoubtable the most pratical of vehicles, but then caravans are also pretty practical.

So:

-Cross-overs add the rugged lifestyle thing.
-A higher driving position has obvious benifits (which I don't think any one on here needs explaining)
-As manufacturers abandon MPVs for cross-overs the practical/family touches are appearing on these vehicles, e.g. storage, durable materials, plugs, glass roofs
Frank Bullitt

Michael wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:

I get that, but feeding on from the thread on forms of propulsion there is something deeply useful about such vehicles for families - they may not be the last word in precision or quality but they do so many clever things right that they are hard to ignore.

As a vehicle to biff about in as a family I hate to say, I get it.


Other than the raised driving position and different style what does this offer over the equivalent hatchback?


The driving position is a big plus, I was surprised by how much Mrs FB was wedded to the high driving position. Add to that packaging, the Qashqai has interior room a comparable hatchback can only dream of for a comparable amount of room, plus an excellent shape and sizeable boot, all of those things mean that in family life it works - yes there are downsides although I was impressed with the Qashqai's steering, ride and handling, it certainly felt as accomplished as a 'good' hatchback, plus there is better visibility for rear seat passengers too, especially if they are small.

As Martin says, technically all of this is deliverable in an MPV of course which has even greater practicality but there is something unappealing to many people about MPV's, I thought our Picasso was a superb vehicle but it was me pushing to sell it for a 'proper' car, in truth as a family vehicle it worked - crossovers add a touch of 'beefiness' that MPV's tend to miss. Having said all that I am fond of the current C4 Picasso and a 2.0HDi Blue Exclusive+ is still an option. Maybe.

Our main car spends its time being used by Mrs FB to driver around with just the two of them in or for the three of us shleping on long trips, for such trips the only benefit of a hatch (lower centre of gravity) is meaningless to be honest and the benefits of a crossover or MPV far ought weigh that.
Andy C

Blarno wrote:
I'll stick to my estate car. I don't get the high driving position thing.


I don't either.  But then I'm not a pensioner or a yummy mummy.

I'm another one who's curious too as to how these pig ugly, over priced, under engined dreary boxes are so much more deeply useful over a decently sized hatchback or estate?

£27k (List) for a Kadjar that has a 130hp 1.6 diesel engine and 0-60 in 10 seconds

or this?

http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/3-Serie...661-3495438.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_




Then again, if they're selling well and it's keeping people in employment, great. But hardly the enthusiasts choice, are they?
Humphrey The Pug

Andy C wrote:
Blarno wrote:
I'll stick to my estate car. I don't get the high driving position thing.


I don't either.  But then I'm not a pensioner or a yummy mummy.

I'm another one who's curious too as to how these pig ugly, over priced, under engined dreary boxes are so much more deeply useful over a decently sized hatchback or estate?

£27k (List) for a Kadjar that has a 130hp 1.6 diesel engine and 0-60 in 10 seconds

or this?

http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/3-Serie...661-3495438.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_




Then again, if they're selling well and it's keeping people in employment, great. But hardly the enthusiasts choice, are they?


3.5 years old or brand new with a 4 year warranty; they both appeal to very different people anyway and you are correct, SUV's aren't the enthusiasts choice, I don't think anyone said they were though.
PhilD

Andy C wrote:
dreary box


and an estate isn't?
Frank Bullitt

Andy C wrote:
Blarno wrote:
I'll stick to my estate car. I don't get the high driving position thing.


I don't either.  But then I'm not a pensioner or a yummy mummy.

I'm another one who's curious too as to how these pig ugly, over priced, under engined dreary boxes are so much more deeply useful over a decently sized hatchback or estate?

£27k (List) for a Kadjar that has a 130hp 1.6 diesel engine and 0-60 in 10 seconds

or this?

http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/3-Serie...661-3495438.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_




Then again, if they're selling well and it's keeping people in employment, great. But hardly the enthusiasts choice, are they?


I wouldn't marginalise somebody for choosing a used 3-series touring if they wanted to because they liked the engine, the drive, the shape, the packaging etc., it's personal choice and if it works for them then so be it - I also wouldn't imagine they come from a narrow spectrum of society either.

It is small-minded to suggest you only select a car on its 'queef appeal' in order to be an 'enthusiast', and that there are no other ways you can be enthusiastic about cars.
Racing Teatray

I do get the raised height thing. As mentioned, as kids we all loved the various Range Rovers my father had, partly due to the good view.

I think it's more the carefully focus-grouped everyman nature of them that irks. I just would rather have something not as carefully suited to all uses but with a goodly dose of pizzazz.

Day-to-day life is dull enough without needing to Which? every aspect of it to death.
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
I do get the raised height thing. As mentioned, as kids we all loved the various Range Rovers my father had, partly due to the good view.

I think it's more the carefully focus-grouped everyman nature of them that irks. I just would rather have something not as carefully suited to all uses but with a goodly dose of pizzazz.

Day-to-day life is dull enough without needing to Which? every aspect of it to death.


My point is that that route takes you to an MPV,or maybe a Golf, where as an SUV does have some (if sometiems only a little) 4x4 pizzazz.

The engine thing Andy mentions is true though, not many of new crop have decent motors. Would be great for example if Renaultsport got hold of a Kaptur!
Frank Bullitt

Peugeot are looking into a 2008 GTi to milk the success of the Dakar Rally, granted it is smaller of course. I guess there is limited market for a powerful crossover, certainly at mainstream level - there are options if you want reasonable petrol power (Qashqai can be had with a 165bhp 1.6 turbo for example) and some do have more punchy diesels.
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Peugeot are looking into a 2008 GTi to milk the success of the Dakar Rally, granted it is smaller of course. I guess there is limited market for a powerful crossover, certainly at mainstream level - there are options if you want reasonable petrol power (Qashqai can be had with a 165bhp 1.6 turbo for example) and some do have more punchy diesels.


If you have an interested in Peugeot's motorsport history FB the latest Evo is having a bit of a love in.
Martin

PhilD wrote:
Andy C wrote:
dreary box


and an estate isn't?


Nope.  

Quite a lot of estates look better than the equivalent saloon imo

I don't have a problem with crossovers, if someone likes the way they look/drive, there's no reason I can see not to get one.  MPVs make more sense to my practical side, but i agree that most look pretty awful, only the latest Picasso looks OK to me really.  Both types of vehicles so suffer from underwhelming engines, only the 2 series Active Tourer can be had with decent performance.  That is growing on me (in the right spec), but i wouldn't choose one over a 3 series touring which would be a similar price.
BeN

Well, that is bold. Looks much better than the current one mind. But has more than a few hints of the new Suzuki Vitara in it.
Andy C

PhilD wrote:
Andy C wrote:
dreary box


and an estate isn't?


No. There's some great looking estates out there . And whats not to like about seeing peoples faces after you've just destroyed them in a TLGP in your sensible family estate?

It's not about pure queefness, but what's not to like about a car that does all your family stuff (big boot, roomy, full of tech, safe) has an engine that does 50mpg, only costs £130 per year to tax and is quicker in gear than a E92 M3, yet has  ride and handling dynamics good enough to take the car out for a fun blat on a Sunday?  Can you imagine doing that in a Crossover? I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Can somebody name a Crossover that has a decent engine? (When I say decent, I mean decent enough to still put a smile on my face when I press the loud pedal)

My (until recent) ex boss used to have a E91 320d, which was replaced by a F31 320d.  I've been in both on long journeys and the F31 is brilliant. A bit of extra poke and it's hugely appealing to me.

So yes, I find estates very cool and would consider one without doubt over a Crossover
PhilD

Andy C wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Andy C wrote:
dreary box


and an estate isn't?


No. There's some great looking estates out there .


Oh ok, I read your words "pig ugly, over priced, under engined dreary boxes " as a list of faults and found it funny that you called a cross over a dreary box in comparison to an estate.

I don't deny there are great looking looking estates out there, as there are great looking cross overs and I agree about your other stuff -thats a whole load of straw men as far as I'm concerned as I'm not presenting any argument opposing any of that, and nor is anyone else I don't think.
Andy C

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Andy C wrote:
Blarno wrote:
I'll stick to my estate car. I don't get the high driving position thing.


I don't either.  But then I'm not a pensioner or a yummy mummy.

I'm another one who's curious too as to how these pig ugly, over priced, under engined dreary boxes are so much more deeply useful over a decently sized hatchback or estate?

£27k (List) for a Kadjar that has a 130hp 1.6 diesel engine and 0-60 in 10 seconds

or this?

http://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/3-Serie...661-3495438.aspx?srcmdc=se_na_re_




Then again, if they're selling well and it's keeping people in employment, great. But hardly the enthusiasts choice, are they?


3.5 years old or brand new with a 4 year warranty; they both appeal to very different people anyway and you are correct, SUV's aren't the enthusiasts choice, I don't think anyone said they were though.


People who buy estates and Crossovers are probably after quite similar things I would've thought. Roomy, safe, big boot?

It may be 3.5 years old, but its only done 30k and the BMW used warranty is excellent, so it's pretty much new! The PCP quote I got recently was very tempting.
Frank Bullitt

PhilD wrote:
I don't deny there are great looking looking estates out there, as there are great looking cross overs and I agree about your other stuff -thats a whole load of straw men as far as I'm concerned as I'm not presenting any argument opposing any of that, and nor is anyone else I don't think.


Agreed, and I will pick up this months Evo too - there is a Pug Sport special in AutoWeakspress too (can't remember the last time I bought it!)
Andy C

PhilD wrote:
Andy C wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Andy C wrote:
dreary box


and an estate isn't?


No. There's some great looking estates out there .


Oh ok, I read your words "pig ugly, over priced, under engined dreary boxes " as a list of faults and found it funny that you called a cross over a dreary box in comparison to an estate.

I don't deny there are great looking looking estates out there, as there are great looking cross overs and I agree about your other stuff -thats a whole load of straw men as far as I'm concerned as I'm not presenting any argument opposing any of that, and nor is anyone else I don't think.


I've gotta be honest, I don't think there's any Crossover I like the look of really (Mazda CX-5 is ok). They are all too fussy and 'jacked up' , but there are some really good looking estates out there at the moment (F30, C-class, Mazda 6, Octavia, Golf, Leon, V90, A6)
PhilD

Just out of interest where does a crossover finish and a SUV start? Does a 4x4 require a separate chassis?
Michael

I have a crossover that's also an estate in addition to being a jacked up estate.
PhilD

Thanks Michael that's much clearer now.

Martin

I know it's getting late, but I'm sure that 330d is 2.5 years old, not 3.5.

Is that why you struggle with part ex values Humph?
Humphrey The Pug

Martin wrote:
I know it's getting late, but I'm sure that 330d is 2.5 years old, not 3.5.

Is that why you struggle with part ex values Humph?


So it is!!
PG

PhilD wrote:
Just out of interest where does a crossover finish and a SUV start? Does a 4x4 require a separate chassis?


I think the answer is that you know which category a vehicle is when you see it. But you can't define it.  
JohnC

PG wrote:

I think the answer is that you know which category a vehicle is when you see it. But you can't define it.  


Is there a category for that gold Evoque?

Crossover from tasteful to crap?

or Seriously Unattractive Vehicle?
BeN

PhilD wrote:
Just out of interest where does a crossover finish and a SUV start? Does a 4x4 require a separate chassis?


For me (not a hard and fast rule):

Funny mish-mash looks - Crossover. So Qashqai, Juke, X6, GLA etc
'Normal' looks - SUV. So X5, CX-5, CR-V, Q7 etc
Frank Bullitt

Mrs FB has decided she wants one so unless it's a pig to drive then I think it will get bought.

I know what I am getting too.
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Mrs FB has decided she wants one so unless it's a pig to drive then I think it will get bought.

I know what I am getting too.


Good work Mrs FB!

Now as the Peugeot takes care of all your practical needs is it finally time for the proper DS?
Giant

Couple of articles on the 3008:

http://www.cardesignnews.com/articles/new-cars/2016/05/peugeot-3008/

http://www.cardesignnews.com/arti...first-sight/2016/05/peugeot-3008/
Frank Bullitt

Ta Giant, it might even be our first brand new car rather than used it ex-Demo

PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
Mrs FB has decided she wants one so unless it's a pig to drive then I think it will get bought.

I know what I am getting too.


Good work Mrs FB!

Now as the Peugeot takes care of all your practical needs is it finally time for the proper DS?


Probably not...yet...
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Mrs FB has decided she wants one so unless it's a pig to drive then I think it will get bought.

I know what I am getting too.


The raised driving position does seem particularly popular with the ladieees. It'swhat ex Mrs R likes best about her Captur.

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