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Older minters

This may sound like a statement of the bleeding obvious, but I was struck twice in the last two days as to how much mere lack of care contributes to a car simply looking old and dated.

The first time was with an original-shape dark green A-Class in AMG trim on an 03-plate and the second was an original-shape dark grey V40 T4 on a 54-plate. Both were being driven by older drivers and both were clearly cherished/garaged as they were so immaculate and shiny that they looked pretty much like they'd just rolled off the production line. As a result, neither looked as dated as their brethren usually do these days. I saw a similarly immaculate black 05-plate Saab 9-5 wagon not long ago. None of those are particularly desirable cars and none is worth more than a couple of grand at most, but each managed to look more or less its original price bracket and not its current retail value.

Seen anything similar lately?
JohnC

I have a client with an immaculate Carbon Black E46 M3. It is always clean and polished, the paintwork and alloys are unblemished and the interior looks like new. It's only done about 30K in its 15 years or so of life but it looks and sounds so desirable.
Big Blue

JohnC wrote:
I have a client with an immaculate Carbon Black E46 M3. It is always clean and polished, the paintwork and alloys are unblemished and the interior looks like new. It's only done about 30K in its 15 years or so of life but it looks and sounds so desirable.


That's probably now 30-40k. These are going insane at present for minty models.
JohnC

Big Blue wrote:
JohnC wrote:
I have a client with an immaculate Carbon Black E46 M3. It is always clean and polished, the paintwork and alloys are unblemished and the interior looks like new. It's only done about 30K in its 15 years or so of life but it looks and sounds so desirable.


That's probably now 30-40k. These are going insane at present for minty models.


It sits very comfortably in his garage alongside the Ariel Atom, 997 GT3 and Ducati 999. This is the man who put all his money on black and it came up black. This is the man I trained and then he pissed off and made a fortune and I heard last week, is retiring at age 50. At least I got an invitation to the party.
Big Blue

Pisser!

I have a wealthy acquaintance (currently on his third Aston) who is self-made. Looks like bloody hard work to me. Mind you I have some fellow club members who just seem to be wealthy and living the life. Mines not too bad (shame I'm on a project I'm enjoying but my department has decided I'm inside IR35 so I'm currently being bombarded with outside IR35 roles by the agents) and I'm too late to change into some go getter. Lower middle class retirement plans based on a house in the sun (inherited) and couple of flats in London topping up the pension beckons but about 15 years to go yet.
Tim

I've noticed a few more late 80s/early 90s era Mercs on the road in the last year or so - several 190 saloons and a couple of E classes, none of them particularly exciting versions either.
Roadsterstu

A work colleague always buys cheap cars but finds really tidy examples of late 80s and 90s cars. His current car is a Rover 820 and he has had a succession of things like Escorts, Rover 200s (the square saloon), Maestros, even a a Triumph Acclaim. I don't think he particularly seeks out Austin/Rover cars but just gets what he can find. He has a real knack for finding minters, runs them for 5 or 6 months and sells either at a small profit or no loss.
Grampa

I know a bloke like that - his current steed is one of the last Maestros - looks no more than a couple of years old - he's also had a VDP 1500 and a Rover 216 that looked immaculate as well as some interesting stuff such as a V8 powered Sherpa ex police van and a Rover SD1 that was very nicely converted into a 2 door saloon (as long as the roof wasn't up - always the telling thing in a non-factory convertible).

Give it another 10 years and (cross fingers) my Scirocco will be in that category - it's got to that point now where people start expressing surprise at its age - plenty of tatty looking 10-plate stuff around now.

My daughter's Jag, on the rare occasions it's cleaned and polished, rather belies its 13 year old banger status too.
BeN

One of my automotive fantasies is to be able to open a business where I take in old cars that were fairly ordinary back in the day but still in decent nick, and then restore them to tip-top, showroom condition before selling them on again.

Seeing extremely well-maintained old cars just gives me a good feeling inside.
Bob Sacamano

BeN wrote:
One of my automotive fantasies is to be able to open a business where I take in old cars that were fairly ordinary back in the day but still in decent nick, and then restore them to tip-top, showroom condition before selling them on again.

Seeing extremely well-maintained old cars just gives me a good feeling inside.


You'd need to find a 6'7" mechanic friend with his own garage and endless patience as you bring him a never ending procession of shite while wittering on in a chirpy cheery faux Cockney accent.

Before selling it at a loss.
Blarno

Mint condish old stuff is great for building sleepers, especially old Rovers in hearing aid beige.
BeN

Bob Sacamano wrote:
BeN wrote:
One of my automotive fantasies is to be able to open a business where I take in old cars that were fairly ordinary back in the day but still in decent nick, and then restore them to tip-top, showroom condition before selling them on again.

Seeing extremely well-maintained old cars just gives me a good feeling inside.


You'd need to find a 6'7" mechanic friend with his own garage and endless patience as you bring him a never ending procession of shite while wittering on in a chirpy cheery faux Cockney accent.

Before selling it at a loss.


Stuntman

Based on the recent photos of it, Twelfth's RS4 must almost fall into this category as well.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

JohnC wrote:
I have a client with an immaculate Carbon Black E46 M3. It is always clean and polished, the paintwork and alloys are unblemished and the interior looks like new. It's only done about 30K in its 15 years or so of life but it looks and sounds so desirable.

He doesn't want to sell it, by any chance?
PG

I think as car people, we appreciate a lovingly maintained older car. I find myself often looking at clean examples of big engined 2000-2005 stuff on Autotrader (so before the ass-raping tax came in) and I have to remind myself that it is not nearly new.
JohnC

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
JohnC wrote:
I have a client with an immaculate Carbon Black E46 M3. It is always clean and polished, the paintwork and alloys are unblemished and the interior looks like new. It's only done about 30K in its 15 years or so of life but it looks and sounds so desirable.

He doesn't want to sell it, by any chance?


I doubt it. He has had it from new (took me down to Turnberry for golf in it once). He started working in London and ended up getting small cheap cars to leave at the airport during the week and the M3 resided in his garage. He has been through many wild cars over the years including a road legal race TVR Sagaris which could hardly be driven in a straight line, a few Porsches and an M5 but the M3 has been a permanent feature.

I will ask him though. He is retiring next month after all!
gonnabuildabuggy

BeN wrote:
One of my automotive fantasies is to be able to open a business where I take in old cars that were fairly ordinary back in the day but still in decent nick, and then restore them to tip-top, showroom condition before selling them on again.

Seeing extremely well-maintained old cars just gives me a good feeling inside.


There are a couple of businesses who do that, e.g. KGF Classics.

The secret is all in the buying.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

JohnC wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
JohnC wrote:
I have a client with an immaculate Carbon Black E46 M3. It is always clean and polished, the paintwork and alloys are unblemished and the interior looks like new. It's only done about 30K in its 15 years or so of life but it looks and sounds so desirable.

He doesn't want to sell it, by any chance?


I doubt it. He has had it from new (took me down to Turnberry for golf in it once). He started working in London and ended up getting small cheap cars to leave at the airport during the week and the M3 resided in his garage. He has been through many wild cars over the years including a road legal race TVR Sagaris which could hardly be driven in a straight line, a few Porsches and an M5 but the M3 has been a permanent feature.

I will ask him though. He is retiring next month after all!

Please do! I often fantasise about having another M3, but then remember they're all old cars now. Apart from this one, though ... it has about half the mileage mine had when I sold it in 2007.
Nice Guy Eddie

That Nick Johnson Cars has got a nice 55 plate 58,000mile manual for 18k.
Racing Teatray

He also has the 850CSi that I looked at last year (when it was up for 20k) stickered at 55k!!

And somehow it has sprouted a "Full BMW Service History" despite the fact that when I spoke to the previous owner, he told me he had self-spannered it for the decade or more he'd had it (one of the things that put me off).

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