| Archive for The Motor Forum talking cars since 2006 |
| Boxer6 |
Forgot to say, th^t was in "Sport" mode and slightly downhill. Tried it in "SportSharp" last night, on a flat/straight road; 5th lock still (a smidgin under) 11 secs, but on kickdown was 3.4 secs (by the stopwatch on my phone!) Given that the car weighs in excess of two tons (  ), not too shabby at all. I'm more than happy with those figures.
The unnerving part was catching the fuel gauge out of the corner of my eye........... siiiiiink! Ouch. |
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| Guitar Zero |
Preliminary timing is as follows
30 to 60 in 3rd = Just under 4 seconds 30 to 60 in 4th = Just under 5 seconds Didn't bother doing 5th or 6th - the engine is barely over 1000 rpm at those speeds so the turbo is asleep Video to follow tonight probably |
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| "him" |
WOW! Those are quick times, and easily the quickest "normal car" so far! |
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| ALF |
Those are quick times Guitar Zero! Especially 4th - I had a quick look at 4th last night and it was closer to the 5th time than the 3rd.
But the point was surely to do it in 5th, to see how slovenly it really is - it's not like any of our cars are on cam/boost at 30 in 5th! We should also post our "official" 30-70 through the gears times (available from Autocar and some other places if your car is tested) as an indication of bullshit levels - mine is 5.5, which tallies reasonably with my sub 4-second through the gears time. To me Boxer 6 looks the most optimistic  - ISTR the 0-100 and 30-70 of the Legacy Spec B were not in line with that 30-60 
Sorry for that - someone had to cause trouble - everyone is being too polite! |
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| DradusContact |
Did 2nd gear last night, road was damp however and i could feel the wheels slipping.
Time looks like its about 6 seconds going by youtubes clock, though its annoying that the camera couldnt see 30 so its hard to know when it begins exactly. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LnncVB3Tixc |
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| "him" |
I will dig out some figures and see how many I can add to the table, this will be irrelevant to the "tweaked" cars mind. (though still interesting?) I just hope Nicks GT3 does us proud...
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| Guitar Zero |
This test isn't very scientific TBH - speedo accuracy and timer accuracy could account for more than half a second I would have thought. It is worth bearing in mind though that healthy well run in D5 units are allegedly putting out over 190 bhp and 300 lbs ft of torque as standard. All of the torque is on stream from 1900 rpm so it just hammers through 40 to 60 in 3rd.
Hardly anyone has done it in 5th - all the times are for 2nd/3rd/4th or through the gears. I'll do one though. |
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| "him" |
Cheers, I think they all secretly fear the 1.6 French shitbox! 
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| :-( |
Struggled with finding the time to do mine. Somehow the M25 in rush hour doesn't seem the place to do it. Coming off the M20 around the donut over the motorway I did 30 - 50 in around 5 seconds in 3rd but it was damp, uphill and not a straight bit of road. I had to lift before I got to the northbound access road traffic streaming in from the left. | ||||||
| Dr. Hfuhruhurr |
(wonders if he can live with the level of expectation) 
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| "him" |
Don't tell your car, it will be under less pressure to perfom! |
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| BeN |
I officially give up this challenge.
Other than that it is nearly impossible to find a decent road to try this on (straight yes, but hardly anywhere empty enough for a safe run), the car is uncooperative. It goes decently enough up to 80km/h (I think that is 50mph), but then it stays there, and there is a little lag before the final push to 100km/h, which it also does quickly enough. |
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| Boxer6 |
You're quite correct ALF - "optimist" is my middle name! I don't think my "flat" road of last night was quite as flat as I thought. BUT - found another one today, in the daylight, which IS flat. Plus, I had a decent hold of my phone/stopwatch! So, the revised revised figures are as follows; In "Sport" mode, 30-60 locked in 5th (top) 12.32 secs 30-60 on kickdown 5.85 secs In "SportSharp" mode, 30-60 in 5th 12.14 secs (disappointing, by comparison to last night, but as 'true' a reading as I can manage I reckon)) 30-60 on kickdown 5.12 secs. Didn't have enough room for the 30-70 increment. I did try for a 0-60 time though, which came out as a best of 7.02 secs. Again, that was in "SportSharp" mode. Road was dry, traction control on and engine thoroughly warmed up. (over 3400 miles on it now, too) Sadly, I can't time it and video at the same time! |
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| Rodge |
Did a few more today. The through the gears time is about 5 seconds although that could be improved on, it does 30-55 in about 3 and then I have to change up, which isn't easy while holding a camera phone in one hand.
4th gear was about 9 seconds which is for mine, right in the middle of my 3rd/5th times. |
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| "him" |
Don't encourage him!
I have amended the figures accordingly, thanks for timing it again. I am sure all the figures should be taken as "rough" at best (even the ones that are videoed). We are all driving on different roads, in different weather conditions (headwinds / differing road surfaces will all have an effect), and our timing methods are <ahem> crude at best.
Still, it is all just a bit of fun eh? Who is going to be the first to do a '30-60 test' as part of a test drive with the salesman next to them? [forummer] "Do you mind if I slow to 30mph for a moment?" [salesman] "No, but can I ask why?" [forummer] "I need to know if this car will outrun a Saxo VTS..." 
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| Apex clipper |
Arms like......... 
And this Torque steer issue? 
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| Guitar Zero |
Obviously I would never do this, but look what I " found " on the web
Flat through 3rd and 4th - the run actually starts 1 second into the video, I make the 30 - 60 run somewhere between 4 and 4.5 seconds. Also note the total run from 30 to nearly 100 is about 14 seconds - not bad for a wanky Volvo grandad diesel starting in 3rd !! 
This is a run just in 3rd - 30 mph crossed at 3 seconds and 60 hit just gone 7 seconds - so damn as near it 4 seconds this time. 
Run in 4th - I make it 5 seconds. 
Couldn't find a video for 5th
But the run is 8 seconds - which is impressive considering 5th gear at 30 mph equals exactly 1000 rpm. |
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| "him" |
That really is a monster of an engine isn't it...
Thanks for posting the videos. I am going to have to |
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| Andy C |
I did a couple of videos on the way home from work.
4th: http://s150.photobucket.com/album...=view¤t=15112008044.flv 8 seconds ish? 5th: http://s150.photobucket.com/album...=view¤t=15112008051.flv 14 seconds ish? I am pretty chuffed with them results, (especially 5th) as it really does pick up once the turbo kicks in. It also shows the difference between having one person in the car (tonight) and 4 people in the car (last night), as last night I managed just over 9 seconds in 4th, and 16 seconds in 5th. |
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| TimR |
Managed to do the Fiat yesterday. All tests repeated several times to check for accuracy.
2nd - 4.0 3rd - 6.1 4th - 8.4 5th - 13.2 I was quite happy with the run in 4th as the car only really starts to pull hard at about 55. Obviously 5th is off boost all the way. |
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| franki68 |
done and dusted.
5th gear 8seconds, 4th gear 6 seconds 3rd gear 4 seconds (spooky but true,2 second increments exactly) 2nd gear 2.3 seconds ( this is where the miltek comes in it seems) |
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| BeN |
Another impromptu run today clocked 18 and 17 seconds.
Awful. |
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| kraftwerk |
Here's mine... About 4secs
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tWnJyTge8g8 |
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| Guitar Zero |
I would have said that was nearer 3 rather than 4 seconds | ||||||
| kraftwerk |
My timing skills have never been particularly good. |
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| Big TC |
I'm not actually sure I could get the old Pug to accelerate from 30mph in 5th - it's particualrly gutless down in that sort of range. The C1, on the other hand, would be quite 'lively' (in relative terms!) | ||||||
| "him" |
Go for it, I will be interested to hear the time... Just make put the foglights on, I forgot to do so for my run! 
I only wish I still had access to the "mighty SDi Polo" to set a bogey time!
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| PR |
Rough times:
2nd/3rd - 5.2 3rd - 6 4th - 9.1 5th - 9.3 Of course, these times look a lot poorer than reality because the road was soaking wet and very bumpy, and the timing was being conducted by a diesel lover with a vested interest in not making my car look too quick... |
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| Rodge |
I tried an 'open ended' run this morning on that private airstrip near my house on my way to work. Let's just say that through the gears, 30 can become 120 in about 30 seconds, and it's showing 5000 rpm in top then, so it's claimed top speed is bang on the limiter it would seem. | ||||||
| "him" |
You really shouldn't encourage me...
I am not sure what time I will get, but 30 (km/h) to 120 (km/h) is my next target! Though I am still waiting for 'Apex Clipper' to post his times before we "up the stakes"!
In fact there are quite a few times missing! |
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| Nice Guy Eddie |
She's a bit of a go'er for an old girl. |
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| "him" |
I think we need one of these -
http://www.datrontechnology.co.uk/newsstory_ss.php?id=96 |
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| kraftwerk |
Yeah, it's not too shabby a time, I suppose. |
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| Apex clipper |
'him' wants a razz!!!
'Up the stakes'? What the hell does this mean? You thinking of using laughing gas to tumble your times. Wizards of NOS? I'll fit the de-cat then,... you slimey toad.. you!
5th is shite! 2nd is silly quick! I need to fit a G28 turbo! But then it would undo the playfull banter here. |
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
Tried this with the Fouquet at Oulton yesterday.
30-60mph in 5th was around 2.5 seconds 30-60mph in 3rd (2nd only goes to 55) was just over 2 - with all four wheels spinning. |
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| "him" |
Not too shabby then... is that on mud tyres or tarmac ones? Does the Fouquet pass the "Top Gear" test to allow its times to be used? Is it Road Legal? I am sure it can go over a speed bump!
And was it you driving? |
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| "him" |
Re: 'him' wants a razz!!!
Nah, I was thinking of doing a different increment... I am not a fan of nitrous oxide, so won't be using any of that! Come on then, what was "silly quick"?
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
Mud tyres.
Yep, it's road legal, hence the numberplate! I'm pretty sure it fits over a speed bump, I'll let you know
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
Hmm, yep, just about manages to scrape over a speedbump with about, oooh, 2 foot to spare.
The 30-120mph one might be a bit slow though, it tops out at 110... |
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| "him" |
That is good to know, the little practicalities of vehicles are often missed. What is boot space like?
110mph you say, what does it redline at? And is that 5th gear? |
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
5th gear at 8400rpm.
Boot space isn't bad, you can fit a spare wheel in there, a fire extinguisher, and a toothbrush. |
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| "him" |
13mph per 1000rpm! That is lower geared than mine in 4th (13 vs 13.6!) Does it need any other gears? You will have to do a standstill to redline time in 5th! |
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
It could have done with a 6th at Oulton to be honest, it was on the redline halfway down every straight.
Does about 117mph on the larger of the 2 mud/forest tyres as the tread is a bit deeper. 0-110mph through the gears is about 11 seconds, probably a bit faster with road tyres, will try it in 5th when I get chance! |
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| BeN |
Should this be in the (choronically under-used) "Best Of The Motor" section? | ||||||
| Matt |
Not whilst it's in use. | ||||||
| BeN |
I'm guessing most have done their run.
Regardless, I tried again today. I have found the knack for getting the best performance out of the Corolla. Because it delivers its power in a smooth and linear fashion, rudely stamping on the accelerator produces no effect whatsoever. All it does is increase revs and makes a lot of noise. With that in mind, I tried a smooth run from a standing 50km/h. Two runs produced 14 and 12 seconds, which is quite an improvement. Not too shabby methinks. Anyway, I noticed that the Corolla has been put in '5th gear'. I should point out that it is an auto and thus should be in 'Kickdown'. Thanks.
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| Boxer6 |
Had a bit of a "play" on the way to my mothers last night. In Sport-mode, using the flappy-paddles, it goes from 50(ish) to nearly 100 indecently quickly- almost incontinently quickly, in fact!! Gave myself a bit of a fright TBH, as I didn't actully expect it to be that quick!
Aah, what fun awaits!!
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
*Considers dropping some road tyres on the Fouquet*...
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr |
I'm making a flying visit (literally) to the UK next week, so will try and do gears 2-6. | ||||||
| "him" |
If you don't get time, don't worry... I'll PM my details and you can send down the keys! I'll make sure you are happy with the times before I post them, so may need time to familiarise myself with the car first.
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr |
You can fight it out with the airport valet guys ... | ||||||
| D. |
The bike does the 30 - 60 in 3rd in a little under 2 seconds, roughly! It's not easy to time! | ||||||
| Dr. Hfuhruhurr |
You're also into the territory where what you eat beforehand affects the result ... | ||||||
| "him" |
Is that on the rear wheel only?
I won't ask for a video as evidence...
Bikes really are in a different league price/performance wise aren't they? |
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| simonp |
I'm still trying to think of a bit of road near my house that's straight, flat and quiet enough to give this a go. It's all a bit up and downy round here. I think I have some Blu-Tak for the phone! | ||||||
| Apex clipper |
Here.All done on a duel..flat track staying on 30 then opening the taps.About approx 1 mile behind a (Laying) gritter lorry.. 'Added traction'.
2ND. 3.6 (Bang on the shift light) 3RD. 4.5 4RD. 8.1 5th. 22.6.
I'll have a crack once the roads dry up, I'm sure I can better those. |
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| Matt |
Seriously?! Still, highlights gearing and sweet spots of different cars a fair bit. Also, my sub-13 second effort was in dense air at midnight, so that plays its part. | ||||||
| "him" |
Thanks for taking the time to run the times "Apex", the 2nd and 3rd gear times are neck and neck with the NGE's Golf... Doesn't the RS run limited boost in 1st/2nd gear, I seem to remember reading reports in the Mags that suggested that once into the 3rd it really pulled hard?
Your 4th gear time is similar to mine, but I guess you are running next to no boost at those speeds? |
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| Apex clipper |
It's pegged at 177bhp in 1st 2nd and reverse gear yes, although whether this is done by limiting the boost I've no idea as mine and every other one I've tried freely 'spins up' you can run way passed the shift light if you like ..so i suppose it's the gearing that is 'set'?? Like many Turbo cars it's best work being a 4cyl is keeping the kettle boiling. 5th Your'll agree is Barcleys bank. 
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| :-( |
At last I got around to do this (in the Alfa)
In 3rd - 5.5 secs In 4th - a leisurely 7.5 secs EDIT: the 4th gear time seemed to take an age, but in the end wasn't too bad looking at the others. |
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| simonp |
Amazingly, I reckon it looks about 8 seconds or so. Thought it'd be slower than that, as 30mph is only about 1900rpm. Also did it in 2nd for entertainment value which was under 4. I did it by setting the cruise control and then accelerating from there. It would only do 29 or 31 mph though, so my vids are 31-60! I'll happily let the official stopwatch holder time these for the verdict.
Sorry they're blurry, wobbly and too crappy an angle to get an accurate time. It was dark, midnight and -2 degrees, which probably helped power output. 5th http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PV8IVRozudo 2nd http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vDHD3dcNjg4 I do hope you enjoy these cinematic masterpieces!
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
Played in the 2wd buggy today on a bit of broken concrete.
30-60mph in 2nd = 2.5s (bit of wheelspin) 30-60mph in 5th = 7.2s Not too shabby, it's just under the first stage of the variable valve system at 30mph in 5th though, which means it's a bit gutless to start with. Not road legal though. |
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| TimR |
Had a Transit van on hire yesterday and the fugures are :-
4th - 15.3s 5th - 22.6 (the same as a Focus RS )
Just to reiterate these figures are for a Transit 100 T350 LUTON van that hit an aerodynamic brick wall at around 55. |
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| "him" |
Those are good times, I remember reading times for a WRC car that weren't any better... I must get these times collated into a 'fancy' table at some point, well I will once Nick's GT3 has posted some times...
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
it does have a better power/weight ratio than a WRC car, although I think the immense torque they have these days would probably mean they're a fair bit quicker than that?
Especially given they should have gearing similar to the fouquet, not a clapped out VW van gearbox that'll touch 140
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| "him" |
I will try and get some WRC figures, I suppose outside of drag racing the quickest cars will be in rallycross for the 30-60 increment. F1 cars will not really be into their 'stride' at that point. |
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| Apex clipper |
Oi!
TimR..YESTERDAY... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pklvKKnd0 |
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| Apex clipper |
Just 30-60? They have fcvking silly PWR..stats. |
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| TimR |
I don't think my driving skills match up too well there. |
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| Rodge |
Dermot Carnegie's car was used in the Autocar 0-100-0 challenge a few years ago and if I recall correctly, it put in similar acceleration times to the Yamaha YZF (I may be wrong with the model of bike but I'm sure it was a Yamaha- maybe an R1) and brilliant deceleration times.
It posted something like 0-60 in 2.5 seconds, so not too shabby for a Focus! He's a decent chap too, I chatted with him at the startline of the rally stage at the FOS 3 years ago, he was hung over and in charge of over 500bhp...... |
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| Apex clipper |
The focus was only just beaten by a 1litre sports bike..due to the mass the brakes had to reign in. (Tis in a mag I brought) I'll have one pronto. (The fire spitting focus) Leather doesn't suit me. |
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| Andy C |
I tried my Dad's Fiat Grande Punto 1.2 Active last night:
4th: http://s150.photobucket.com/album...=view¤t=07122008056.flv 13 seconds ish 5th: http://s150.photobucket.com/album...=view¤t=07122008055.flv 24 seconds ish |
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| Martin |
I'm rather late to this, but I did a few runs in the Passat the other morning and I used the stopwatch on my phone and wrote all the times down so I could work out an average.
Starting with the Passat 5th was a bit of a non starter really as 30mph is only 1100rpm, so it doesn't want to know unless you are going downhill (which is obviously cheating!). It only gets into its stride in 4th when you are doing 40+ and the acceleration does start to drop off past 50mph in 3rd, so neither was ideal I would prefer a 40-80 in 4th competition! Anyway, enough of the excuses....these are the times, all on a flat stretch of dual carriageway. 4th - 6.9 sec average 3rd - 5.3 sec average 2nd - rev limiter! No point in a though the gears time, because it would be quicker leaving it in 3rd. Next, the 130. I had some quite varied times, especially in 3rd, it must be because I was holding the phone in my hand rather than it being in the hands free cradle. However, I have some average times which seem to be about right based on the evo road test. 6th - 10.9 sec 5th - 7.8 sec average 4th - 6.6 sec average 3rd - 4.7 sec average Through gears - about 4 sec, but I had a slight DSC light situation as it was damp, so will have to try again as it will definately dip below 4 seconds! |
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| PR |
I meant to figure the 130 when I was using it last week. I could have asked Pugwash to do it when he was in the passenger seat but I suspect it would have ended up slower than Tingtong again...!
I did a rough count of the 320d in third yesterday and reckon it's about 5.5 ish. As an aside, I was highly amused when accelerating away from the front of some traffic lights in the 130i the other day to find myself going a bit sideways at about 50 in second gear. It's a slightly mental car! |
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| Apex clipper |
You should have seen the look on the face of the guy that..was indicating to overtake me doing about 50..when I launched the 'fire engine' and befuddled the guy as he indicted to move back in! That was 2nd gear sorted! As the road was empty he hovered around wondering what the hell I was up to?? Some bloke in a Focus with the interior light on holding a stopwatch?? |
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| TimR |
Finally, something slower than a 'fast' Ford Focus
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| Apex clipper |
I'll remember to offload the 4 bags of sand in the boot for the next run. 
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
Hah, I've got to do the 306 yet, it takes about 10 seconds to do 30-40... | ||||||
| Dr. Hfuhruhurr |
I'm going to do this over Christmas, honest!
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| Apex clipper |
RS. It's now changed to the slowest time posted... As mine has barely woken up at 30 in 5th.... I got creamed by a fvcking van for christ sake! I may push the boat out and see if the AX can beat the..what is frankly a pathetic time in the morn. |
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| Apex clipper |
Do it in 5th.....with bags of sand..lots and lots of bags of sand. Ballast.....You know it makes sense. |
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
Mine never wakes up in 5th! Or 4th. Or 3rd! In fact, second can be a struggle uphill out of junction too!
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr |
Fifth, sure, also sixth, fourth, third, second and through the gears. And with the handbrake on to try and "beat" your best time ...
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| Apex clipper |
I'll wager it's faster in 5th though. Seems a frigging horse and cart is faster than mine. A van! A bleeding Van! This I can accept... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qd5Z0VK5zM |
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| "him" |
Thanks guys, I have added the times...
There are some interesting patterns forming, I do think we need to another one of these in the new year, perhaps something that will favour cars with more "reach"?
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| Apex clipper |
Yes. How frigging slow is a turbo car off boost. Let's not go near 5th until we're in 3 figures....
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| "him" |
But also rather worryingly is how quick some of those (whispers) Diesels are!
I reckon a 0-100 test would sort out those Passats and Focus's!
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
I think 30-134mph should do it quite nicely.... Did I mention the new car is geared to 134? 
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| DaveGibson |
Is that all? Mine's geared to 143.
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| "him" |
Mine hits the limiter in 5th at 123mph...
Perhaps we can have a standstill to limiter in 5th challenge, mine will probably win that!
By the way is my old VTS final drive in your box now Phillip? |
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
It is indeed, it's also shinier, 'cause I coated it with boron-nitride before it went in
You can have my old one if you like, it comes in several parts, like a jigsaw
Think I owe you a few 
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
But will yours get there in 10 seconds?
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| "him" |
Tart! ...it is all about the "shiny, shiny" with you!
Have you run the car on the road with the modified box in it yet? |
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| GonnaBreakABuggy |
Nah, still bolting bits on. | ||||||
| Dr. Hfuhruhurr |
Something like 20-120 or 30-130 would be kinder on clutches, but I'd fancy my chances in either of those categories. At least until Geordie 350 (where is he, anyway) gets his GT-R. | ||||||
| "him" |
I agree... But I can't do 130! A "roll-on" is much kinder to the car. |
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr |
Even 10-110 would avoid that big clutch dump ... or you could change your top ratio for the day ... or get Spanner to build you another 'box ... I've heard he's good at that ... | ||||||
| "him" |
I've given him all my spare gearbox parts now, I've got none left! raising the rev. limit would be cheaper... 7700rpm would be enough!
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr |
That would get you over the ton at least ...
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| "him" |
[cough] Tesla...
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