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Racing Teatray

Next PM?

So I assume few of us actually has a vote (I certainly don't and it's too late to register - the Tory party has specifically set the vote for September to avoid what happened with Corbyn because Tory party membership rules stipulate that you don't get a vote until you have been a member for at least 3 months) but if you did, where would it go? Personally, I think there should be a general election. I dislike on principle the notion of PMs who haven't won their position via a general election.

Crabb? Nice pick as an opposition leader. No way as PM. Just too green. Hard to see him being the right man for the negotiations with Europe.

Fox? Weird decision to run. FT summed it up by calling him "yesterday's man".

Gove? Possibly a nice pick if you want to deny Boris the Eurosceptic vote. Otherwise about as electable as a rattlesnake.

Boris? Urgh. Never. Just no.

May? The least worst choice under the circumstances? Hardly a charmer but easy to imagine her being a tough negotiator with the Europeans.

Morgan? A triumph, surely, of ambition over reality. An also-ran from day 1.

Can add candidates as they declare...
Michael

May is the only option.
Michael

Who supports who in the Tories:

https://docs.google.com/spreadshe...sMl0owUO6_TJyzI/htmlview?sle=true

Not membership, obviously. Also assumes Boris will run.
Big Blue

Another May vote.

Boris will win in the populist stakes. He can point to London buses, the cycle network and the success of London during his tenure as Mayor. London was successful because of it being a gateway to the EU at the time so he should be tested there. His response will be that London has always been popular with Jonny Foreigner.
Bob Sacamano

Andrea Leadsom
JohnC

I have always liked the clear explanations and logic that Fox provides but I have lost all respect for him and his allegiance to the Leave camp.

Of that lot, May is the only one I think has enough gravitas but I don't believe that she would be seen as someone who could pull the country together. In other words, she might do quite well in the EU negotiations but I think she could lose the Tories the next election unless Labour does itself any more damage in the meantime.

Crabb and Morgan are probably better for the Tories from the view of the electorate and the next General election but far to green to go up against the EU.
Big Blue

Well May takes a clear lead. Based on our Brexit (sorry) prediction she has no hope

I was pleased to see this morning as I parked my motorbike that I was in The office before IDS as he walked past me still in Smith Square (unless he's joined UKIP).

Anyway the referendum hasn't resolved the issue of pro- and anti- EU in the Conservative party. Unless they sit down and say "look most of our support is in the shires so we have to accept we're an out party now" rumblings will continue.
Nice Guy Eddie

Crabb - Who?

Fox - Looks like he should be David Cameron's Dad,  Diet Dave

Gove-  My missus is a teacher, I take great sport in supporting Gove and hearing the backlash. You have to respect someone who takes on the a bunch of socialist teachers

Boris - Probably not a bad choice in that he'll confuse the hell out of the other EU leaders during the negotiations to follow. Should bring the country closer together as he has that way of appealing the labour vote as much as tories.

May - My Choice, I think it would pay to have a female PM over the next few years and a decent tactician by all accounts  

Morgan - Nothing against her but nothing really going for her either.
Stuntman

May or Gove.  I suspect it'll be Gove.
Michael

I doubt Gove will win. He's (and his wife are) not trusted and I imagine there will be a lot of mudslinging between him and Boris which will cancel them both out. Boris is toxic in Europe and he knows that, when party members start to voice these concerns his chances look even more slim.

My hunch is Boris will back May who was relatively neutral in the referendum with a view to a good position in the cabinet or with a successor strategy.
Big Blue

Just watching Boris' speech. He will piss it.

But he's not joining in.
Michael

Boris isn't running - Shock!
gonnabuildabuggy

May for all the reasons RT says.

Gove is not going to be a popular PM if there was an election, too much bad blood already.

Morgan - really? she looks vacant behind the eyes and has done nothing. Frankly I think standing shows she's even thicker than I thought.
Roadrunner

Crabb and an early general election would be my hope. He would be popular with the electorate and secure a comfortable Conservative majority. Having said that, I expect May will get the job.
PG

Michael wrote:
Boris isn't running - Shock!


Indeed. But once that email got "accidentally sent to a member of the public" and then Gove declared, I think that Boris did not want a straight fight with Gove. He has now become the king / queen maker hasn't he? Who he supports will have a huge advantage in my view.

Crabb is on the ballot to establish his credentials for next time whateverhappens this time. He is only 43. That or he must be hoping that the party want to skip a generation now rather then in 10 years time.

I reckon that Boris will back May, and she'll get it. He spoke about unifying the country and Gove won't be able to achieve that. Boris will be her human attracting non Tories face - maybe even Deputy PM.
Tim

I watched some of Crabb's speech last night and was cringing, he's clearly been trained by whoever was responsible for Tony Blair.

Nicky Morgan looks like George Osborne in a wig and has never struck me as being particularly capable of an independent thought, instead trotting out tired old MP speak.

I really dislike Gove, despite not knowing him.

I think Liam Fox should be in the Tower of London for treason and surely his trashing of the armed forces in the 2010 defence spending review (not least the decision to scrap the Harriers but continue with the building of the aircraft carriers off which they would've flown).

Not sure about Theresa May. I took a dislike to her in 2010 for a speech in which she repeated the phrase 'let me make it clear' about 50 times while making nothing clear at all.

What we really need is some new blood in the whole Houses of Parliament instead of the production line versions we get on all sides of the house.

Thank God Boris isn't running though.
Roadsterstu

Michael wrote:
May is the only option.


Sadly I think you're probably right. Although after the bum fucking she has given the police it pains me to say that. Still, other professions will think the same of Gove, Fox and Morgan. Sad really that there will be so much hate from the respective areas where each had responsibility.

At least Boris has taken himself outof of the equation.

As Jonny says, the wicked witch of Westminster is the least worst of that lot.
Racing Teatray

Wow. I bugger off to an Africa conference for a couple of hours and we lose Boris! Hurrah!
Racing Teatray

How do I edit the poll?
Michael

I don't think you can. I wouldn't bother anyway, you can't yet rule out a comeback.
Racing Teatray

Well I was also going to add Leadsom since someone mentioned her but the very fact she had managed to pass under my radar suggests perhaps she's not going to be a leading candidate.
Stuntman

Tory Brexiteer MPs are likely to vote for Gove over Leadsom, I would think.
Racing Teatray

Gove: http://www.theguardian.com/politi...l-not-equipped-to-be-pm-candidate
JohnC

Stuntman wrote:
Tory Brexiteer MPs are likely to vote for Gove over Leadsom, I would think.


I think Gove is an insidious wee man with an unfortunate "I don't give a f*** about you" face.

He might be for the Tory party but he won't be for the electorate.
Bob Sacamano

I can't see Gove getting it - he's got one of those faces you'd never tire of punching. It detracts from his message.
Racing Teatray

Tim wrote:
I watched some of Crabb's speech last night and was cringing, he's clearly been trained by whoever was responsible for Tony Blair.


I wasn't very taken with him either. The back story was being squeezed until the pips squeaked and he seemed more than a little pleased with himself. I also simply couldn't see him going straight to PM. Would be like running a marathon after only just learning to walk.
Stuntman

Ladbrokes currently has May as 4/6 Favourite, with Gove 3/1, Leadsom 9/2, Crabb 20/1 and Fox 25/1.

On Friday morning last week, Boris was 4/6 Favourite and May was either 3/1 or 7/2 (can't quite remember) and Gove was 7/1.

Interesting as ever, from a betting perspective.
DetmoldDick

It's a shame Daniel Hannan is not eligible.
Scouse

Racing Teatray wrote:
Gove: http://www.theguardian.com/politi...l-not-equipped-to-be-pm-candidate


His actual statement
http://www.independent.co.uk/news...son-read-it-in-full-a7110596.html

Anyone want to bet that Boris might throw his hat into the ring if there is a second ballot as John Major did?
Racing Teatray

DetmoldDick wrote:
It's a shame Daniel Hannan is not eligible.




and



again for good measure.
DetmoldDick

I can't really see anyone other than Theresa May having a chance now.
Bob Sacamano

DetmoldDick wrote:
I can't really see anyone other than Theresa May having a chance now.


I can see her and Merkel having nice girlie chats to sort the whole mess mess out.
the other ct

I think this, from 2012, sums up Gove.

Racing Teatray

Nice.
Alf McQueef

Anyone but Gove. Papers like The Economist say that his theory is strong, apparently the reforms he was so disliked for in Education and Health were theoretically a good idea. But he is absolutely hated by most of my friends here - and especially by my wife's friends - who tend to be middle class New Labour and Liberal supporters, often from the Public sector. And I mean hated in a real devil-hating sort of way, not the sort of dull semi-hatred those people reserve for all Tory leaders. Given I live in Winchester, that suggests Gove is not going to be electable nationally.

Also it fucks me off no end that Gove is a Scot who was unelectable in Scotand, and moved to the Tories South East England heartland to be elected there, and was accepted, and now has orchestrated a campaign to get us out of Europe which is basically a campaign to not accept people from other places. How hypocritical is that?
JohnC

Alf McQueef wrote:
Also it fucks me off no end that Gove is a Scot who was unelectable in Scotand, and moved to the Tories South East England heartland to be elected there, and was accepted, and now has orchestrated a campaign to get us out of Europe which is basically a campaign to not accept people from other places. How hypocritical is that?


I had no idea he was a Scot. However don't get drawn into that Scotland /England thing - we are all British and have every right to reside anywhere in the UK.

The less said about division at the moment the better otherwise the twisted nationalism within the UK could rip everything apart to everyone's cost.

EDIT: I agree about Gove though, he would not be a unifying leader.
Nice Guy Eddie

Not Very hypocritical at all. On the flip side if you want to be a labour MP your not going to try and win a seat in Surrey are you. Talent always gets moved to a safe seat and I wouldn't go as far to suggest anyone from north ofborder should be classed as immigrants, well not for the next few months anyway.
Racing Teatray

My MTF (Most Tory Friend) commented today when I asked who he thought the Party faithful would vote for:

"Gove’s heart isn’t in it and, although he’s popular, he will be seen as lightweight by comparison.  She will deliver a barnstorming conference speech plus the men of the Conservative Party do like a strong woman…"
Big Blue

Your MTF is correct.
Stuntman

May is now 4/11, Leadsom 4/1 and Gove 10/1.
Frank Bullitt

Alf McQueef wrote:
...apparently the reforms he was so disliked for in Education and Health were theoretically a good idea...


Gove has never had a Health Portfolio, I think he is generally disliked on account of coming across as a perfect example of wasted organs and having all the comprehension of a second hand brick - he is not somebody who will unite the party and certainly not the country. Having been a journalist, he has an over-reliance on the story rather than the reality which is a rather unpleasant characterist he shares with Boris Johnson, somebody else whose dad should have had a Tommy-tank the night he was conceived.
TreVoR

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Alf McQueef wrote:
...apparently the reforms he was so disliked for in Education and Health were theoretically a good idea...


Gove has never had a Health Portfolio, I think he is generally disliked on account of coming across as a perfect example of wasted organs and having all the comprehension of a second hand brick - he is not somebody who will unite the party and certainly not the country. Having been a journalist, he has an over-reliance on the story rather than the reality which is a rather unpleasant characterist he shares with Boris Johnson, somebody else whose dad should have had a Tommy-tank the night he was conceived.


Don't hold back, will you.
Tim

I couldn't believe the reporting of Johnson's non-attempt.
The BBC correspondent reckoned some people in the room were in tears when BJ said he wasn't going to stand.

Pathetic.
It's clearly given the media a bit of a kick not to have him as a candidate though.
gonnabuildabuggy

Gove is unelectable, if he would be PM then no way would I vote conservative.

Clever guy from what I hear but his ability to reconcile the real world with theory and his people management skills (in terms of the common man, not party faithful) are none existent.

Plus he's best mates with Rupert Murdoch and therefore does his bidding (and Murdoch does favours for him) makes him absolutely not to be considered.
Tim

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:

Plus he's best mates with Rupert Murdoch and therefore does his bidding (and Murdoch does favours for him) makes him absolutely not to be considered.


Which is presumably why Sky News had the 'headline' of his wife's leaked email about Boris - a non-story if ever there was one.
She's a Murdoch newspaper journalist isn't she?
gonnabuildabuggy

Tim wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:

Plus he's best mates with Rupert Murdoch and therefore does his bidding (and Murdoch does favours for him) makes him absolutely not to be considered.


Which is presumably why Sky News had the 'headline' of his wife's leaked email about Boris - a non-story if ever there was one.
She's a Murdoch newspaper journalist isn't she?


Daily Mail I think, Gove is ex Times.
Alf McQueef

Frank Bullitt wrote:


Gove has never had a Health Portfolio


True - but he has an openly expressed dislike for the NHS and preference for a private health system to replace it.

You like him then  
Frank Bullitt

Forgive the source, but the bloke is a weapons-grade wasted-wank;

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-n...s-open-letter-slams-sarah-6150387
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Forgive the source, but the bloke is a weapons-grade wasted-wank;

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-n...s-open-letter-slams-sarah-6150387
[list=]

I think that's mostly down  to his wife but both are as nauseating as each other.[/list]
Stuntman

May is now 4/9, Leadsom 5/2 and Gove 16/1.

Gove has done his duty to the Party in stopping Boris.  He should now stand aside and let the Party members decide between May and Leadsom (and hopefully make the correct decision).
Blarno

As described on Last Leg last night, it's like choosing which turd you want to wear as a hat.
Racing Teatray

Don't hold back!!!!:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2...ed-to-gossip-particularly-when-d/
Racing Teatray

Nice:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/pol...adership-candidate-20160704110156
Racing Teatray

Poor behaviour by Sky but fascinating to watch:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2...culing-conservative-leadership-c/
gonnabuildabuggy

Racing Teatray wrote:
Poor behaviour by Sky but fascinating to watch:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2...culing-conservative-leadership-c/


Brilliant. Personally, I've always liked Clarke.
Stuntman

Well the Fox has been shot.  May had 165 votes, Leadsom 66, Gove 48, Crabb 34 and Fox 16.
Racing Teatray

Well he outed himself as having bugger all grasp of the concept of a parliamentary democracy after saying that "Any MP who tries to block Brexit in parliament does not “deserve to have a place in the House of Commons". So good riddance I'd say.
Racing Teatray

Darth May.....looks like the Force is with her...


Frank Bullitt

Stuntman wrote:
Well the Fox has been shot.  May had 165 votes, Leadsom 66, Gove 48, Crabb 34 and Fox 16.


Even if all the supporters of the rest vote for whoever comes second, May is ahead by 1.

I'm confused that 16 people voted for Fox and 48 for Gove, I know there's some special-case Tory MP's out there but 64 of them is a worry.
Nice Guy Eddie

Racing Teatray wrote:
Well he outed himself as having bugger all grasp of the concept of a parliamentary democracy after saying that "Any MP who tries to block Brexit in parliament does not “deserve to have a place in the House of Commons". So good riddance I'd say.


You really need to get over the vote and move on. We get it, you're upset by Brexit, so am I but if everyone works harder than they moan I'm sure we'll be fine.
gonnabuildabuggy

In 5 yrs time.

I'm trying to look on the positive side - property values look like the might crash after all and I'm hoping classic cars go the same way. Upsizing and buying a cheap classic for next to no money might make it feel better.

I feel sorry for any pensioners trying to cash and downsize but if they voted out then their choice......

(bitter? me?)
Frank Bullitt

Worth reading to the end, a genuinely excellent article (but then I am biased as I think Boyle is superb)

http://www.theguardian.com/commen...g-antichrist-brexit-frankie-boyle
Roadsterstu

Racing Teatray wrote:
Darth May.....looks like the Force is with her...




I can assure you it fucking well is not.
gonnabuildabuggy

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Worth reading to the end, a genuinely excellent article (but then I am biased as I think Boyle is superb)

http://www.theguardian.com/commen...g-antichrist-brexit-frankie-boyle


Very accurate in many ways.
Tim

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Well he outed himself as having bugger all grasp of the concept of a parliamentary democracy after saying that "Any MP who tries to block Brexit in parliament does not “deserve to have a place in the House of Commons". So good riddance I'd say.


You really need to get over the vote and move on. We get it, you're upset by Brexit, so am I but if everyone works harder than they moan I'm sure we'll be fine.


No because if he said the word ANY then he's wrong, surely 48% of MPs should vote against Brexit to reflect the will of the proportion of the electorate who could be arsed to turn up that didn't want to leave?
Racing Teatray

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Well he outed himself as having bugger all grasp of the concept of a parliamentary democracy after saying that "Any MP who tries to block Brexit in parliament does not “deserve to have a place in the House of Commons". So good riddance I'd say.


You really need to get over the vote and move on. We get it, you're upset by Brexit, so am I but if everyone works harder than they moan I'm sure we'll be fine.


Erm not getting the connection? I simply thought it was a scary thing for an elected politician to say, in effect, that those who didn't agree with him didn't deserve a place in Parliament. That is completely undemocratic.

But, that aside, I refuse to "get over" the Brexit vote until such time as we reach a position where Britain is in a quantifiably better overall position than it was pre-Brexit. I refuse to be complicit in an acceptance of a fundamentally flawed process that made a complete mockery of our democratic systems. Will we sort it out and salvage the situation? Hopefully. But the very fact that it will be about salvage merely highlights the absurdity of what happened.
PG

Racing Teatray wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Well he outed himself as having bugger all grasp of the concept of a parliamentary democracy after saying that "Any MP who tries to block Brexit in parliament does not “deserve to have a place in the House of Commons". So good riddance I'd say.


You really need to get over the vote and move on. We get it, you're upset by Brexit, so am I but if everyone works harder than they moan I'm sure we'll be fine.


Erm not getting the connection? I simply thought it was a scary thing for an elected politician to say, in effect, that those who didn't agree with him didn't deserve a place in Parliament. That is completely undemocratic.



I'm not a Fox supporter. So this is just me interpreting what was said.

I think what he was trying to say was that having had a referendum, in which the decision was in favour of Brexit, MP's who say that Parliament could still vote to stop it are missing the democratic point and not representing their constituents. Now, MP's may do that on other issues. But not when there has been a referendum on something perhaps?
Tim

Perhaps it would be best if everyone (in the world) agreed to simply ignore anything Liam Fox says and hope he disappears back to wherever he's been hiding for the last 5 years.
PhilD

PG wrote:

I think what he was trying to say was that having had a referendum, in which the decision was in favour of Brexit, MP's who say that Parliament could still vote to stop it are missing the democratic point and not representing their constituents. Now, MP's may do that on other issues. But not when there has been a referendum on something perhaps?


Unless they are representing "their" constituents who voted to remain?!
Big Blue

As PhilD pointed out if we looked at the vote on a constituency basis "out" would have won by about 70/30.

The current talk is of no Article 50 trigger until post-Germany and France elections next autumn. That's a long way away and in the interim there is a complete status quo in the EU as far as the UK is concerned. Ergo what this entire scenario has proven is that the stock markets are managed, operated and run by panicky little pricks who are actually no better than those who panic that the Polish are taking over because the Polish deli is doing good business 12-14 hours a day whilst the madly overpriced local shop open 7 hours a day and never on a Sunday or Saturday afternoon is being "forced out" of business. They need to take stock [sic] of what the reality is (ie no change for a long time) instead of blowing about like an inflated balloon that had no knot tied in it when let go!
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
As PhilD pointed out if we looked at the vote on a constituency basis "out" would have won by about 70/30.



You got a link for that? Leave is greater than I would have thought.
Bob Sacamano

Big Blue wrote:
As PhilD pointed out if we looked at the vote on a constituency basis "out" would have won by about 70/30.



It's a good point that if you look on a constituency basis the Leave majority is far great than the raw numbers of 52/48 would suggest.

Now the decision is to Leave I'd far rather we just got on with it straightaway and invoked article 50 and set a clear timetable. I'm not sure this "phoney war" situation we're in is helpful to anyone.
Racing Teatray

If we invoke article 50, we lose any leverage we have. That's why Juncker and France want us to do it!!

This made me laugh: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/e...sults_uk_577b8963e4b073366f0faf62
Big Blue

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
As PhilD pointed out if we looked at the vote on a constituency basis "out" would have won by about 70/30.



You got a link for that? Leave is greater than I would have thought.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

270 v 129. Not quite 70% but over 66%
Big Blue

Racing Teatray wrote:
If we invoke article 50, we lose any leverage we have. That's why Juncker and France want us to do it!!


Quite. I am still wondering why we didn't have a referendum to coincide with the German and French elections with a view to returning to Brussels basing our position on those outcomes.
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
As PhilD pointed out if we looked at the vote on a constituency basis "out" would have won by about 70/30.



You got a link for that? Leave is greater than I would have thought.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

270 v 129. Not quite 70% but over 66%


Thats 300 voting areas, but there are 650 parliamentary constituencies?
Tim

You need to throw away your calculator Phil.
That's 400.
Big Blue

Yeah it's counting areas but they are aligned with constituencies to a larger extent.
PhilD

Tim wrote:
You need to throw away your calculator Phil.
That's 400.


So do you  

I wrote 400 tried to change to 399.  Just forgot the 99 doh.
gonnabuildabuggy

Big Blue wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
If we invoke article 50, we lose any leverage we have. That's why Juncker and France want us to do it!!


Quite. I am still wondering why we didn't have a referendum to coincide with the German and French elections with a view to returning to Brussels basing our position on those outcomes.


Indeed.

Given everything the Leave camp said was proven to be absolute bollocks and they are back tracking on it all, I think another referendum is justified.

If you disagree then please send me £100 and I'll send you £200 by return.
JohnC

With everyone involved in the Iraq invasion decision being turned to toast by the Chilcott enquiry:

Could there be a similar "you lied", "you didn't investigate the facts fully", "you misled the country" type of allegation labelled against the Brexiters?

Could they stand trial and what would a suitable punishment be?

Personally I think we have to accept the result and get on with making the best of it. There's one thing for sure, if we don't work and pull together we are fucked! By "we" I mean the whole of the UK because an independent Scotland served up the crumbs from Juncker's table, using the Euro and jumping to his tune, is an even more scary option.
Stuntman

Second ballot results: May 199, Leadsom 84, Gove 46.
I hope the party members vote for the candidate with the greater experience.
Roadrunner

Stuntman wrote:
Second ballot results: May 199, Leadsom 84, Gove 46.
I hope the party members vote for the candidate with the greater experience.


So do I.
Racing Teatray

Just remember that the average age of the Tory membership is apparently knocking on for 70 and in the past they picked Ian Duncan Smith.

I have to hope Darth May gets picked over faux-Thatcher. Neither is remotely inspiring but Leadsom strikes me as a Tory Corbyn.

Her latest uttering was to say she didn't like the gay marriage legislation passed by Cameron because it causes hurt to Christians.

Wow. Just wow. So not content with fanning the flames of bigotry on the race front, now she's angling for the sexual orientation front too. Way to go. Very modern.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Racing Teatray wrote:
Her latest uttering was to say she didn't like the gay marriage legislation passed by Cameron because it causes hurt to Christians.

Wow. Just wow.

.... but it's true
Frank Bullitt

At least it isn't Gove, insidious little shit.
Michael

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Her latest uttering was to say she didn't like the gay marriage legislation passed by Cameron because it causes hurt to Christians.

Wow. Just wow.

.... but it's true


I think the true teachings of Christianity are all about loving your neighbour, not judging and forgiveness. So anyone hurt probably needs to hit bible class or is using their God as an excuse to be a cunt.
Roadrunner

Michael wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Her latest uttering was to say she didn't like the gay marriage legislation passed by Cameron because it causes hurt to Christians.

Wow. Just wow.

.... but it's true


I think the true teachings of Christianity are all about loving your neighbour, not judging and forgiveness. So anyone hurt probably needs to hit bible class or is using their God as an excuse to be a cunt.


Agreed. Too many use religion as an excuse for selfish, judgemental  behavior, which is diametrically opposed to the teachings of the New Testament.
gonnabuildabuggy

Newsnight had on Ruth Davidson, who of course is gay and recently got engaged. They kept pushing her on her views on Leadsom's comments but she managed to deflect it.

Leadsom's major lies on her CV shows her to be highly untrustworthy (and very inexperienced), if she gets in heaven help us.

Let's hope Clarke's comments reflect with Tory party membership.
boc70

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
if she gets in heaven help us.


I'm sure she'll have a word...
Tim

She's mentioned Theresa May's lack of children again as well.

So, as well as trying to alienate gays and non-religious folk she's going for the childless too.  

Actually in view of the above and her pre-parliament career in investment banking (which appears to have always been full of greedy, self serving types) she's just confirming what I have always thought about people who claim to be religious - they're the most selfish, self-centred and thoughtless people you could ever have the misfortune to meet.

I'm sure that, like football hooligans, there are a few that aren't like that but they appear to be rare.
Boxer6

Tim wrote:
 

. . . . she's just confirming what I have always thought about people who claim to be religious - they're the most selfish, self-centred and thoughtless people you could ever have the misfortune to meet.

I'm sure that, like football hooligans, there are a few that aren't like that but they appear to be rare.


Those have been my thoughts on the subject for many years now. I've yet to meet someone who doesn't conform to that description.
Racing Teatray

Tim wrote:
She's mentioned Theresa May's lack of children again as well.



Yes, that was completely unjustifiably nasty.
Roadrunner

Leadsom has quit the leadership race. Talk now is of how soon May will be confirmed as our new PM. Could be days, or even hours,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120
Frank Bullitt

Don't think she is a bad person per-se, simply that she has an unhealthy combination of being out of her depth and poorly-informed.
Roadsterstu

Could be as early as this evening. She is, allegedly, flying from Birmingham to London right now. By broomstick.
Bob Sacamano

The Times did a superb hatchet job on Leadsom - at whose instigation we can only surmise. The general feeling is that among party members Leadsom was the favourite to win but the party grandees want May and couldn't risk it going to a vote for fear of a similar split opening between the parliamentary Conservatives and the rank and file, similar to that suffered by Labour.
Racing Teatray

To be fair, leaving the choice of the next PM to the Tory party membership was a terrible idea.

I think it was David Davis, not a noted Europhile leftie, who said something to the effect that Leadsom was too inexperienced to be aiming for the most difficult job in the country at the most difficult time.

Putting political beliefs to one side, that captures my objections in a nutshell.
Bob Sacamano

Racing Teatray wrote:
To be fair, leaving the choice of the next PM to the Tory party membership was a terrible idea.

I think it was David Davis, not a noted Europhile leftie, who said something to the effect that Leadsom was too inexperienced to be aiming for the most difficult job in the country at the most difficult time.

Putting political beliefs to one side, that captures my objections in a nutshell.


I tend to agree. Leadsom's chance will come but not yet. May is a safe pair of hands and she can bring her brother Brian in as Minister for Rock and Roll.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
To be fair, leaving the choice of the next PM to the Tory party membership was a terrible idea.

I think it was David Davis, not a noted Europhile leftie, who said something to the effect that Leadsom was too inexperienced to be aiming for the most difficult job in the country at the most difficult time.

Putting political beliefs to one side, that captures my objections in a nutshell.


I tend to agree. Leadsom's chance will come but not yet. May is a safe pair of hands and she can bring her brother Brian in as Minister for Rock and Roll.


Her cousin and soon to be new Transport Minister James will be good for us.

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