Turbonutter
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New EVO mag - issue 135100 Greatest Drivers' Cars - look away if you don't want to know the winner ( at bottom of post! )
My friend's car in at 22!...but a bit surprised at the order of the rest, Escort Cosworth ahead of the Sierra(?) ( and a 4wder at that ) although it's all subjective
Quite impressed by how quick the TT RS is .... 11.1 to 100
And for Racing, a new Fast Fleet entrant, lightly used 135i that they're going to work on to get close to the new M3 laptime-wise
Will be following the development of the 135i and old TT with interest
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Pkh72
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Hopefully my copy will be on the door mat when i get home, mind you i've not started reading last months issue yet.
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TimR
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Re: New EVO mag - issue 135Is that a subscription copy out now so I can look forward to buying it out of Tescos in time for next weekend.
| Turbonutter wrote: | | 100 Greatest Drivers' Cars - look away if you don't want to know the winner ( at bottom of post! ) |
Er, did you type it in invisible format?
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Guitar Zero
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Surprised the Escort Cosworth manages to break into the top 100. Didn't the Vivster say it was shit when he compared it with the Focus RS a few issues back ?. Slow, horrid engine, etc, etc
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Pkh72
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Re: New EVO mag - issue 135 | TimR wrote: | Is that a subscription copy out now so I can look forward to buying it out of Tescos in time for next weekend.
| Turbonutter wrote: | | 100 Greatest Drivers' Cars - look away if you don't want to know the winner ( at bottom of post! ) |
Er, did you type it in invisible format? |
It is th esubscription copy yep, should be in the shops around next Tuesday/Wednesday.
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Turbonutter
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| Guitar Zero wrote: | | Surprised the Escort Cosworth manages to break into the top 100. Didn't the Vivster say it was shit when he compared it with the Focus RS a few issues back ?. Slow, horrid engine, etc, etc |
I guess they must have taken Barker's comments in the past into account as well though  ....or at least a conglomerate of EVO writers as there are a few cars in there that have had less than favourable reviews from some of the EVO people in days gone by
The 90 cars after the top 10 seem in a random order anyway. There are 5 star cars way after 4-star ones ( their own ratings ). I guess they just bunged them in in any order apart from the top 10
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Turbonutter
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Re: New EVO mag - issue 135 | TimR wrote: | Is that a subscription copy out now so I can look forward to buying it out of Tescos in time for next weekend.
| Turbonutter wrote: | | 100 Greatest Drivers' Cars - look away if you don't want to know the winner ( at bottom of post! ) |
Er, did you type it in invisible format? |
Yes 
it was the Zonda F
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr
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A worthy winner, though not hard to understand the choice, given that their big shot chief actually has one. It would certainly be my super-exotic of choice.
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Turbonutter
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: | | A worthy winner, though not hard to understand the choice, given that their big shot chief actually has one. It would certainly be my super-exotic of choice. |
Does look nice...and I'm certainly not in a position to argue with the winner for them.
Spot of car-nepotism involved though with the 78 choice methinks.
I still maintain the 90 remainders were just lumped into the 100 in no apparent order
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr
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| Turbonutter wrote: | | Spot of car-nepotism involved though with the 78 choice methinks. |
Barker's Capri?
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Turbonutter
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: | | Turbonutter wrote: | | Spot of car-nepotism involved though with the 78 choice methinks. |
Barker's Capri? |
John Hayman's Lancia...not saying it can't be included....but in front of some of the other stuff? Rose-tinted glasses I'd suggest unless it's just a collection rather than a ranking.
Anyway, it encourages debate 
Here's the Top 100
100. Toyota MR2 Mk1
99. Ford Puma 1.7
98. VW Corrado VR6
97. Ford Sierra Cosworth
96. TVR Cerbera Speed 6
95. Jaguar XKR [2009]
94. BMW M5 E60
93. Ferrari 355 Berlinetta F1
92. Aston Martin Vanquish S
91. Bugatti EB110
90. Ford Escort Cosworth
89. VW Golf GTI Mk1 and Mk2
88. Jaguar XJ220
87. Vauxhall VX220
86. Nissan 350Z
85. Audi Quattro
84. Lancia Delta Integrale
83. Aston Martin V8 Vantage N400
82. BMW M5 E34
81. Bugatti Veyron
80. Ford Escort RS2000 [Mk1 and Mk2 Escort]
79. Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
78. Lancia Fulvia HF
77. Wiesmann GT MF5
76. Mini Cooper S R53
75. Peugeot 106 Rallye
74. BMW M5 E39
73. Porsche 959
72. TVR Tuscan Mk2
71. McLaren F1
70. Nissan Skyline R33
69. Koenigsegg CCX
68. TVR Sagaris
67. Mini Cooper S [1963-64]
66. Ferrari 250 GTO
65. Porsche 993 GT2
64. Audi RS4 [2006-08]
63. Peugeot 306 Rallye
62. BMW M3 E92
61. Renaultsport Clio 200 Cup
60. Lamborghini Diablo 6.0 VT
59. Gumpert Apollo
58. Ferrari Enzo
57. Alfa Romeo Alfasud
56. Jaguar E-Type
55. Renault Alpine A610
54. Lamborghini Gallardo
53. Lotus 2-Eleven
52. Porsche Boxster S
51. Subaru Impreza STI [2005-07]
50. Porsche 968 Club Sport
49. Porsche Carrera GT
48. Honda NSX
47. Noble M400
46. Porsche 911 Turbo [993]
45. Mercedes CLK63 Black Series
44. Aston Martin Vantage V12 [2009-]
43. Toyota MR2 Roadster Mk3
42. TVR Griffith
41. Porsche Cayman S
40. Ariel Atom 300
39. Ford Focus RS Mk2 [2009-]
38. Porsche 911 Carrera S [997]
37. Porsche 911 RS [964]
36. Lotus Exige
35. Mitsubishi Evo IX FQ-360
34. Lotus Esprit V8 Sport 350
33. Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV
32. Subaru Impreza P1 [2000-01]
31. Lotus Evora
30. Renault Clio Williams
29. Honda NSX Type-R
28. Porsche 911 RS 2.7 [1972-3]
27. BMW M3 CSL
26. BMW M3 [E30]
25. Renault Clio V6
24. Ferrari 288 GTO
23. Peugeot 205 GTI 1.9
22. Honda Integra Type-R [1996-00]
21. Nissan GT-R
20. Ferrari 550 Maranello
19. Lotus Elise [1996-00]
18. Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
17. Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
16. Audi R8
15. Ferrari 430 Scuderia
14. Ford GT
13. Subaru Impreza RB5 PPP [1999]
12. Ferrari F40
11. Porsche 911 GT3 RS [997]
10. Mitsubishi Evo VI Makkinen
9. Mazda MX-5 1.6
7=. Ferrari F50
7=. Renaultsport Clio Trophy [2005]
6. Lotus Elan [1973]
5. Renaultsport Mégane R26.R
4. Caterham Superlight R300
3. Porsche 911 GT3 [996]
2. Lotus 340R
1. Pagani Zonda F
20.3 mpg average for the long-termer RX8 .......just a bit thirsty really 
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Nice Guy Eddie
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The order they placed all the cars did seem a little bit odd. The F355 when it was launched was seen as the best drivers car ever and yet it only comes in 91st place where as the 612 comes in 20 places higher.
I'm surprised they only placed the Macca F1 in 71st but I guess the top ten were made up of cars they knew they could get hold of.
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Eff One
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So... which forummer has owned the most cars on this list?
I've owned 2 - VX220 and MX-5.
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cbeaks1
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I driven 5 but owned none.
Edit - I'm a moron - I've had a Mk 1 and Mk2 GTI Golf.
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Nice Guy Eddie
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I've driven 10 of them but only owned one and thats the Mk2 Gti
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franki68
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a mere 4,same as the numbe r of previous winners in autocars best handling test.Driven about 20 of them.
Do i win something ?
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Blarno
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Only one owned: 205 GTi 1.9.
Clio Trophy is near enough to what I have now...
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Gurney
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Only one here too, the Awfulsod - several times over.
Driven none of the others - sadly.
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Blarno
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Out of the rest, I've driven a Golf Mk2 GTi, and Exige and a Diablo. (Although that was a 2WD SV, not a VT)
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Pkh72
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I've not owned any of them.
I'm a bit disappointed that the Vauxhall Belmont 1.3L didn't make it TBH. 
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Blarno
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| Pkh72 wrote: | I've not owned any of them.
I'm a bit disappointed that the Vauxhall Belmont 1.3L didn't make it TBH. |
I'd have 2 then!
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Eff One
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Number 4 caught my eye - Caterham R300. I drove one at Bedford and it was ghastly. Very fast but I felt like I was going to fall out at every corner, and couldn't avoid pushing two pedals simultaneously. And I'm not all that big (6 foot, 11 stone).
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DaveGibson
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I've never driven any of them. In fact, the only one that I've even been in is the Mk 1 Escort RS2000. I've also been in a Mini Cooper S but it was 1966 registered not 1963-4 as listed. Both were owned by my landlady's son when I lived in lodgings in Derby.
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr
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Funny how many of the high-placed ones are or have been owned by Harry Metcalfe ... things that make you go hmmm ...
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Pkh72
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| DaveGibson wrote: | | I've never driven any of them. In fact, the only one that I've even been in is the Mk 1 Escort RS2000. I've also been in a Mini Cooper S but it was 1966 registered not 1963-4 as listed. Both were owned by my landlady's son when I lived in lodgings in Derby. |
Out of interest where abouts in Derby was this Dave?
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DaveGibson
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| Pkh72 wrote: | | DaveGibson wrote: | | I've never driven any of them. In fact, the only one that I've even been in is the Mk 1 Escort RS2000. I've also been in a Mini Cooper S but it was 1966 registered not 1963-4 as listed. Both were owned by my landlady's son when I lived in lodgings in Derby. |
Out of interest where abouts in Derby was this Dave? |
It was a long time ago, in the seventies, towards the bottom end of Byron Street (No. 22 to be precise) on the edge of Normanton. Before that I lived at the top of Swinburne Street.
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simonp
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The nearest I get is 306 Rallye (had a Xsara VTS) and the Clio 200.
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Turbonutter
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I've owned 4 - Sierra Cosworth,Mk1 Golf Gti, RS2000 and Cooper S....and been lucky enough to drive a few more that friends have owned/loan cars from garage
What would you have in your top 25?
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Matt
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Lionel was a very nice car to drive, I'd love to be brave enough to get a Rallye, but they're far too fragile if you haven't the skills of Spannerman and build all the parts yourself
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Rodge
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I've owned or driven none. The closest I've come to any of them is driving an M3 and a MINI Cooper.
I've been passengered in a Mk2 Golf GTi and two Mk2 RS2000's. My dad owned those three when I was a nipper.
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Pkh72
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| DaveGibson wrote: | | Pkh72 wrote: | | DaveGibson wrote: | | I've never driven any of them. In fact, the only one that I've even been in is the Mk 1 Escort RS2000. I've also been in a Mini Cooper S but it was 1966 registered not 1963-4 as listed. Both were owned by my landlady's son when I lived in lodgings in Derby. |
Out of interest where abouts in Derby was this Dave? |
It was a long time ago, in the seventies, towards the bottom end of Byron Street (No. 22 to be precise) on the edge of Normanton. Before that I lived at the top of Swinburne Street. |
I've not got that great a knowledge of that area but sort of know where you mean.
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Turbonutter
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| Rodge wrote: | .
I've passengered in two Mk2 RS2000's. My dad owned those three when I was a nipper. |
Beats me then Rodge. I only owned 2 RS and another 1300-> 1600> 1760 Mk2.
The Escorts were very popular with my group of friends when we started driving. I think we had just about every variant between us of the sporty Mk1/Mk2s bar the Mk1 Twincam and RS1600
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Apex clipper
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| Turbonutter wrote: |
What would you have in your top 25? |
You swine..you.  After a 12 hr night shift that's all I need too get some shuteye.
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Apex clipper
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No MANTA??????
Haven't lived those guys have they, not by any measurement a 'fast car' but what a great car.
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Turbonutter
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| Apex clipper wrote: | No MANTA??????
Haven't lived those guys have they, not by any measurement a 'fast car' but what a great car. |
I'm with you there Chris - I had a Manta GTE ( coupe ) for over 6 years. Even better fun rwd-er than the Mk2 Escort. Much better suspension as standard imo and more stable over bumpy roads. I remember when I got mine my friend still had his black Mk2 RS2000 and we took them both down our local 'test route' as you are wont to do when young. We would have been pretty evens if I'd had my RS2000 as well but even though I was new to the Manta it was so unfazed by the bumps and mid-corner cambers etc that I was able to open up a gap....even though in a straight line his RS ( about 135bhp - slightly modded ) was faster than the 110bhp of the Manta.
I guess only John Barker would've possibly voted for the Manta though - I'm not sure if he had a good experience of his early one
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franki68
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just looking again at that list ..996 gt3 so high up...this is a car that as far as I have been told is completely unusable as a daily car...i mean truly uncomfortable to drive on the road...yet no 997 gt3 (yes they have the rs but not the regular one) and no 996 turbo (maybe they all burnt up).
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Turbonutter
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| franki68 wrote: | | just looking again at that list ..996 gt3 so high up...this is a car that as far as I have been told is completely unusable as a daily car...i mean truly uncomfortable to drive on the road...yet no 997 gt3 (yes they have the rs but not the regular one) and no 996 turbo (maybe they all burnt up). |
The only 911 I have driven is a 996TT at Avon park raceway and i thought it was fantastic. I suspect I'd find the GT3/GT2/997 just as good though as I have nothing to compare them to other than a passenger ride on the road in an old 4-speed 911 Turbo
I know I'll never be in theposition of driving as many of those cars reasonably hard on the road as the EVO guys. I can only look at the more everyday cars
Then again, i might be aside from the norm as I preferred the 4.3 v8 Vantage I drove to the Gallardo
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franki68
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| Turbonutter wrote: | | franki68 wrote: | | just looking again at that list ..996 gt3 so high up...this is a car that as far as I have been told is completely unusable as a daily car...i mean truly uncomfortable to drive on the road...yet no 997 gt3 (yes they have the rs but not the regular one) and no 996 turbo (maybe they all burnt up). |
The only 911 I have driven is a 996TT at Avon park raceway and i thought it was fantastic. I suspect I'd find the GT3/GT2/997 just as good though as I have nothing to compare them to other than a passenger ride on the road in an old 4-speed 911 Turbo
I know I'll never be in theposition of driving as many of those cars reasonably hard on the road as the EVO guys. I can only look at the more everyday cars
Then again, i might be aside from the norm as I preferred the 4.3 v8 Vantage I drove to the Gallardo |
The aston is a far more charismatic car ,so nothing strange in that.
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Turbonutter
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| franki68 wrote: | | The aston is a far more charismatic car ,so nothing strange in that. |
I'd like to try the new V12 Vantage as driven by Clarkson in the last Top Gear ending.
I liked the old DB7 one I tried
Hoping to try a GT2 later in the year on an Experience Day
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Martin
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I'm a bit behind, I only just picked the mag up yesterday.
I see Mr Porter is a fan of the current Alfa range 
I've not read much of it yet....
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TimR
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| Martin wrote: | I see Mr Porter is a fan of the current Alfa range
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I agree with a lot of what he has to say but I think he's totally wrong about the GT (not just because I had/want one) and the MiTo I drove had no torque steer at all rather than the 'whole bucket' of the one he tried.
The GT was supposed to die when the Brera came along but demand from the paying public has kept it alive.
And, in my opinion, it looks a lot more attractive than the Scirocco.
Maybe I should go on the EVO forum and have a rant
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Gurney
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I agree with most of what he says as well, Alfa are far too 'Boulevard' for me at the moment. All show and not much go. Interesting to learn the other day that the GM V6 and 4 cylinders were foisted upon Alfa as part of the Fiat/GM deal and Alfa engineers absolutely loathe them.
Still, no excuse for the belated introduction of the 1750Tbi not to mention the non introduction of the twin turbo diesel - been in a Saab for ages.
It seems they also have a V6 diesel on the stocks which makes equivalent BMW/Jag diesels look filthy CO2 wise. Again if so where the hell is it.
Far too slow at bringing new tech out, same goes for MultiAir.
Rant over.
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Turbonutter
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| TimR wrote: |
And, in my opinion, it looks a lot more attractive than the Scirocco.
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Anyone else think those new Renault Megane coupes look very similar to the Scirocco?
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cbeaks1
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To me the Megane looks bloated and top heavy, the Scirocco far more athletic.
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Martin
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I don't like the Scirocco now, familiarity has not improved the looks, quite the opposite. The Megane is just awful, especially the special edition one with the randomly tacked on bodywork. I saw one last week and talk about looking like it had driven through Halfrauds!!
The Alfa GT is probably the most attractive car in the current line up, well second behind the 159 Ti perhaps. However, the interior........
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr
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The Scirocco, like the Passat CC, starts well at the front but goes rapidly wrong as you head rearwards. The new Megane is just foul though, in both 3- and 5-door form.
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Matt
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The GT looks so good because it's by Bertone
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PG
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| Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote: | | The Scirocco, like the Passat CC, starts well at the front but goes rapidly wrong as you head rearwards. The new Megane is just foul though, in both 3- and 5-door form. |
I'm with you on the Scirocco - the rear is just so heavy as to ruin what should be a sleek and smooth shape. But for the me the Passat CC is almost the exact opposite. Apart from some overly large lights, the rear shape is quite flowing. Then I go roud the front and whilst it looks OK on its own, it does not seem to go with the back. But I want to like the CC as you've got to applaud VW for having the guts to make it in the first place.
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franki68
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| Turbonutter wrote: | | franki68 wrote: | | The aston is a far more charismatic car ,so nothing strange in that. |
I'd like to try the new V12 Vantage as driven by Clarkson in the last Top Gear ending.
I liked the old DB7 one I tried
Hoping to try a GT2 later in the year on an Experience Day |
be careful in the gt2
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr
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Finally read EVO 135 yesterday: a bit disappointing, actually, the top 100 took up most of the magazine but didn't actually have very much substance. Perhaps half the staffers were on holiday.
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