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cbeaks1

New Car

The Foruminati are not going to like this one.

White - check
Black wheels - check
Priv glass - check
Coal hole interior - check
Non upper middle-class country gent aura - check

Anyway, had the chance so took it. To be picked up next week::



RS in Frozen white with black light alloys, blue calumets, lux pack, and sat Nav.

Exciting!
Andy C

AWESOME!

these (in a dark colour) are really starting to grow on me
gonnabuildabuggy

New model of Mustang?
cbeaks1

Safer residuals, better for the 2 year old.
PhilD

Some of those panel gaps are shocking.
cbeaks1

The pre facelift Focus actually had a gap like that
simonp

Very nice, although I'd be most displeased with those black stripes on the roof...
TreVoR

Don't mind any of those attributes. Nice.
Martin

An interesting addition to the forum.  Did you have any choice in the spec?
Michael

Given your circumstances you'd be mad not to experience it given the opportunity.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Frozen white Fords unsold in the dealer's showroom, and ready for a bit of haggling, are the best ;-)
cbeaks1

Martin wrote:
An interesting addition to the forum. †Did you have any choice in the spec?


No choice. I got wind of a cancelled order, asked for the weekend to persuade Mrs Me that the man maths made sense (she caved because she couldn't be bothered to argue). The timing isn't great as I have to keep the Kuga for another 3 months, but got a low rate 3.3% loan with a 3 month holiday so it works ok.

I hadn't seen a white one but I like it now I have. The black and white works well and there is a bit of blue on the interior to lift it a little.

Had I ordered I would probably have had Stealth with the shell seats, black wheels, blue calipers, lux pack, nav, and door protectors. The blue is a very nice colour but I think too feminine for the RS. I don't like the new black ( too flat) and I have a C-Max company car coming in Magnetic.
Roadsterstu

Beef up your home security....

Those colours wouldn't be my choice but given the opportunity that arose I think I'd do exactly the same as you.  One thing I found when I sat in the RS at Geneva was how high the seats are. Way too high, even for a short arse like me.

Have fun when it arrives!
Racing Teatray

Are we allowed to call it the Space Shuttle?!
Frank Bullitt

Racing Teatray wrote:
Are we allowed to call it the Space Shuttle?!


I was thinking Storm Trooper but I can see what you were thinking!
cbeaks1

Thanks - 'The Helmet' seems appropriate.

Stu - genuine big risk of scallies? There are loads of more expensive cars in our vicinity and I would have thought something like this would be a terribly obvious car to the Police.

Insurance was cheaper than for the Kuga.
Roadrunner

Not my thing, but I am sure it will be enjoyable to drive. I wish you many happy miles.
Boxer6

I suspect I'm alone in really liking that! The (potentially) high seat would be a big concern and possible deal breaker for me, but I do like fast Fords.

Enjoy when you get it, and LOTS of pics and write-up please!
BeN

Mmm, interesting.

Looking forward to the write-up!
Roadsterstu

cbeaks1 wrote:
Thanks - 'The Helmet' seems appropriate.

Stu - genuine big risk of scallies? There are loads of more expensive cars in our vicinity and I would have thought something like this would be a terribly obvious car to the Police.

Insurance was cheaper than for the Kuga.


I was thinking really that it's rather an attention grabber. I  certainly don't mean to cause alarm but at the same time I would be vigilant about how you park it at home, where you keep the keys, etc. Keep an eye out for anyone following you home or any dodgy looking folk loitering about. Basic awareness stuff really. Some kind of tracker might be worth a consideration.
Bryan M

Good opportunity to get an interesting car. It looks good in white, enjoy it!
Twelfth Monkey

Hope you have many happy miles together!
Bob Sacamano

I really like that - black wheels and all. In fact I've developed a bit of a thing for black wheels. Must be Martin's influence.

Nurse!
PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
cbeaks1 wrote:
Thanks - 'The Helmet' seems appropriate.

Stu - genuine big risk of scallies? There are loads of more expensive cars in our vicinity and I would have thought something like this would be a terribly obvious car to the Police.

Insurance was cheaper than for the Kuga.


I was thinking really that it's rather an attention grabber. I †certainly don't mean to cause alarm but at the same time I would be vigilant about how you park it at home, where you keep the keys, etc. Keep an eye out for anyone following you home or any dodgy looking folk loitering about. Basic awareness stuff really. Some kind of taser might be worth a consideration.


FYP.

I remember when these type of cars were virtually uninsurable and now they are cheaper than a Kuga!
gooner

You lucky chimp! Enjoy
Big Blue

Space Shuttle

Fridge Freezer?

Very nice opportunity well taken, sir.
Nice Guy Eddie

Hell Yeah!

I'm loving these and there apparently so good that I could quite happily ignore the granny basher image.

How does a tall lad like yourself deal with the comedy seat height.
JohnC

I think that is an opportunity that had to be taken. Enjoy.
cbeaks1

I must just be used to Focus's (Focii, Focodes?). No issue with it at all height wise. I have not sat in  A Golf R or similar to be able to compare. It feels like a caterham next to the Kuga.
franki68

Wow ! Brilliant choice .enjoy !
Nice Guy Eddie

cbeaks1 wrote:
I must just be used to Focus's (Focii, Focodes?). No issue with it at all height wise. I have not sat in †A Golf R or similar to be able to compare. It feels like a caterham next to the Kuga.


I sat in an RS at Geneva with the full Recaro buckets and it felt similar to sitting in my office chair with that fully bent leg driving style. It seemed that everyone who got in was searching for the seat height adjuster and there was nothing to be found!
cbeaks1

The normal recaro has height adjust. Not sure about the shell
PG

cbeaks1 wrote:
Martin wrote:
An interesting addition to the forum. †Did you have any choice in the spec?


No choice....


In those circumstances and for such a car, I think you could safely be forgiven you sins.

Enjoy it!
Racing Teatray

Taste is after all personal. Just because I don't like white doesn't mean you shouldn't have a white car! My wife happily ignores me and bought a white Fiat 500!

And my last three cars have all had gangsta glass at the back, which is a forum bÍte noir (if you'll excuse the pun) but I rather like it. Contrasts ever so well with walnut trim...

Enjoy! Hope it's more Discovery than Challenger!
Alf McQueef

Nice! It may not be the sort of thing many of us on here would want to spend our money on and drive for 3 years, but I bet most of us would want a drive in one, myself included. I bet its a cracking car point to point and hopefully retains Ford's usual ability to involve the driver, and work with rather than against our crappy roads. Enjoy it!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Enjoy the drive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB4mMPWXAgk
Nelson

not sure of white (sorry) (i'd have the grey one) but that is one seriously desirable car and look forward to seeing more pics and reading your first drive review
cbeaks1



Does buying a 3rd car mean you have to have a stable? If so, here are all 3. RS Focus, Kuga, and Mondeo Hybrid.

Subwoofer and lack of spare



Gratuitous booty shot


Lovely lightweight 19" wheel and Blue Brembo



Spoiler with background Hybrid



Bit of a seat



I've only done a motorway drive back from the dealer, but cn confirm it is going to be an way everyday car, and flippin fast when provoked.

The difference in poise the AWD gives v a powerful fwd is amazing. It was very wet this afternoon and it just grips and goes, and keeps going. I just read the drive v M2 in Autocar and they say the faster you go the better it gets. I suspect this is true but having done a Speed Awareness course on Monday I can't comment.

Normal and Sport are fine for everyday stuff, but race, or using the sport damper setting, are far too firm for me.

I'm surprised a lot of you think it is chavvy - seems incredibly restrained really. The dealer had a grey one with standard wheels and that looked lovely.
TreVoR

Nice, looks purposeful!
PR

It seems they don't want you to forget it's an RS - is there any part not emblazoned with a logo?!

Enjoy it - it must be quite a weapon in vile weather like today's.
cbeaks1

There are only those + the scuff plates I think. And the badge in the steering wheel and the boot. And the keys. Apart from that nothing...

Very dull standard mats which is a bit underwhelming.
the other ct

How very inconsiderate, not only have you bought a car with no spare full size wheel, you wilfully and flagrantly post a picture of a no spare full size wheel. How can Chris M enjoy the Bank Holiday now?

Michael

I like it and glad you do too.  Enjoy!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

the other ct wrote:
How can Chris M enjoy the Bank Holiday now?


... by driving GOK the Wok to Swindon ???
Thomas Magman

Re: New Car

cbeaks1 wrote:
The Foruminati are not going to like this one.

White - check
Black wheels - check
Priv glass - check
Coal hole interior - check
Non upper middle-class country gent aura - check

Anyway, had the chance so took it. To be picked up next week::



RS in Frozen white with black light alloys, blue calumets, lux pack, and sat Nav.

Exciting!




Weljel beaks!

I love the colour scheme with the black tyreplates

Enjoy - sounds like they're  a great car from the press reports. Be interested to see the road test in Autocar next Weds
Chip Butty

Very tidy - good luck holding on to your licence.

I am surprised you got a cancelled order though - isn't there a big waiting list, or at least a long list of people who won't get a car until 2017 because of the build scheduling ?.

I guess this and Mustang are not available with Privilege discount ?
Chip Butty

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/class...usedcars&page=1&logcode=p
cbeaks1

Chip Butty wrote:
Very tidy - good luck holding on to your licence.

I am surprised you got a cancelled order though - isn't there a big waiting list, or at least a long list of people who won't get a car until 2017 because of the build scheduling ?.

I guess this and Mustang are not available with Privilege discount ?


No Priv, full price.

There are odd cancelled ones as people ordered over a year ago in some cases and stuff changes. I really was in the right place at the right time.

Waiting time is basically a year for a factory order.

Ref auto trader - I know - it would be tempting but having this long term with little or no depreciation is also a good plan.
gonnabuildabuggy

cbeaks1 wrote:
Ref auto trader - I know - it would be tempting but having this long term with little or no depreciation is also a good plan.


What's the expectation depreciation wise?

From looking at Finance quotes on Mustang's, despite the present premium on them, the expectations seems to be around 55% after 3 yrs.

The kicker with high CO stuff sold this year is that they are £500pa tax, cars sold after April 17 will only be £140.
PG

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
The kicker with high CO stuff sold this year is that they are £500pa tax, cars sold after April 17 will only be £140.


Don't forget that cars over £40k list pay a £310 per annum supplement for the first 5 years.

What will be very good value annual tax wise will be 5 year old V8's registered after April 2016.
Tim

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
From looking at Finance quotes on Mustang's, despite the present premium on them, the expectations seems to be around 55% after 3 yrs.


Not sure you can go by that any more - the lease quotes on M4s are £200/month cheaper but in monetary terms its going to lose a lot more than the Mustang - the difference is manufacturer support.
gonnabuildabuggy

Do you mean April 2017? I thought the new rules applied from next year?
gonnabuildabuggy

Tim wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
From looking at Finance quotes on Mustang's, despite the present premium on them, the expectations seems to be around 55% after 3 yrs.


Not sure you can go by that any more - the lease quotes on M4s are £200/month cheaper but in monetary terms its going to lose a lot more than the Mustang - the difference is manufacturer support.


I can see manufacturer support makes a difference on the M4, the Mustang figure was from a guy who'd bought one via finance.

As with most stuff I suspect that in 3 yrs time any residual honeymoon will disappear, then once prices head towards £10K they might harden a bit.

2 yrs ago I was looking at E39 M5's at circa £8-£10K for a good one, since then they have now started rising.
PG

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Do you mean April 2017? I thought the new rules applied from next year?


Oops yes, I think you are right. April 2017.
Thomas Magman

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Tim wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
From looking at Finance quotes on Mustang's, despite the present premium on them, the expectations seems to be around 55% after 3 yrs.


Not sure you can go by that any more - the lease quotes on M4s are £200/month cheaper but in monetary terms its going to lose a lot more than the Mustang - the difference is manufacturer support.


I can see manufacturer support makes a difference on the M4, the Mustang figure was from a guy who'd bought one via finance.

As with most stuff I suspect that in 3 yrs time any residual honeymoon will disappear, then once prices head towards £10K they might harden a bit.

2 yrs ago I was looking at E39 M5's at circa £8-£10K for a good one, since then they have now started rising.


2 years ago a reasonable 2wd Sapphire was about 7k.....they've basically doubled since then
Michael

You weren't in North Yorkshire were you this afternoon? Saw a white RS in this spec. Looked a lot less shouty on the road than it does in the pictures.
cbeaks1

Not me, but I agree it isn't particularly loud. Less subtle than a Golf R but more subtle than an orange or red ST.
Roadsterstu

That looks great. Enjoy!
Tim

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Tim wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
From looking at Finance quotes on Mustang's, despite the present premium on them, the expectations seems to be around 55% after 3 yrs.


Not sure you can go by that any more - the lease quotes on M4s are £200/month cheaper but in monetary terms its going to lose a lot more than the Mustang - the difference is manufacturer support.


I can see manufacturer support makes a difference on the M4, the Mustang figure was from a guy who'd bought one via finance.

As with most stuff I suspect that in 3 yrs time any residual honeymoon will disappear, then once prices head towards £10K they might harden a bit.

2 yrs ago I was looking at E39 M5's at circa £8-£10K for a good one, since then they have now started rising.


I think the Ford rates are a much more realistic guide of what will happen with the price.
It amuses me to see the 'premium' manufacturers supporting their cars like this.

I've noted the rise in M5 prices. I think I'll be keeping mine forever.
JohnC

So cbeaks1, how is life with an RS?

Have you been able to experience the full force of its performance yet?

This just came to mind because the local Kwik Fit boys have one in blue which appears to have been breathed on already as it flashed past the office with the waste gate twittering away as it chased the mega powered Seat Leon and S3 which hang around the area.
Boxer6

JohnC wrote:
So cbeaks1, how is life with an RS?

Have you been able to experience the full force of its performance yet?

This just came to mind because the local Kwik Fit boys have one in blue which appears to have been breathed on already as it flashed past the office with the waste gate twittering away as it chased the mega powered Seat Leon and S3 which hang around the area.


John, is your office just along a bit from Q.M. Drive? If so, 'racing' through there is even more moronic than at the Bearsden end of Maryhill Road!
JohnC

Boxer6 wrote:

John, is your office just along a bit from Q.M. Drive? If so, 'racing' through there is even more moronic than at the Bearsden end of Maryhill Road!


A couple of miles along on Gt Western Rd where there are up to 3 lanes (2 with parked cars) in each direction and an apparently voluntary 30mph limit.

The C63 and RS5 appear to have disappeared over the past 6 months but the Seat must be pushing out well over 400hp, the way it takes off.
cbeaks1

No racing for me as I am not that daft, and nobody has tried.

In it again today and it is a lovely thing. Had a bit of a sit in some Mustangs during the week though and there is definately a more special vibe about them.
gonnabuildabuggy

cbeaks1 wrote:

In it again today and it is a lovely thing. Had a bit of a sit in some Mustangs during the week though and there is definately a more special vibe about them.


Similar, right now I can see myself in one in 3 yrs time (no kids, bit of spare cash, 50th present to myself, etc.).

I'm struggling to get hold of a brochure though beyond the flimsy 4 page thin one, are you able to get hold of one for me?
cbeaks1

Should be able to.
gonnabuildabuggy

Thanks
Martin

The Ebrochure is pretty comprehensive (33 pages)

http://www.ford.co.uk/cs/BlobServ...here=1214523012143&blobkey=id
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
The Ebrochure is pretty comprehensive (33 pages)

http://www.ford.co.uk/cs/BlobServ...here=1214523012143&blobkey=id


It's never quite the same though!
Martin

I know what you mean
PhilD

I feel the same way about magazines;. same pictures, same words, same quality, yet not the same experience.
gooner

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Martin wrote:
The Ebrochure is pretty comprehensive (33 pages)

http://www.ford.co.uk/cs/BlobServ...here=1214523012143&blobkey=id


It's never quite the same though!


Dealers are increasingly no longer having hard copies. Neither the VW or Skoda dealers I went to recently had a physical brochure to give away. They had leaflets on the latest finance offers but that's about it.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

VW dealers told me in Feb when I was shopping around that VW have discontinued paper brochures in the UK ; you must now go to the internet for an electronic brochure because ve Germans say so !  Und ve are right.


I wonder how many lost sales to the elderly will result........
Roadsterstu

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
VW dealers told me in Feb when I was shopping around that VW have discontinued paper brochures in the UK ; you must now go to the internet for an electronic brochure because ve Germans say so ! †Und ve are right.


I wonder how many lost sales to the elderly will result........


There shouldn't be any if the sales staff go through their questions and requirements fully.
gonnabuildabuggy

Roadsterstu wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
VW dealers told me in Feb when I was shopping around that VW have discontinued paper brochures in the UK ; you must now go to the internet for an electronic brochure because ve Germans say so ! †Und ve are right.


I wonder how many lost sales to the elderly will result........


There shouldn't be any if the sales staff go through their questions and requirements fully.


It's not the same as going home and comparing statistics/information in a brochure for different manufacturers, and that's how a lot of the older population would do it.

Even I do. Car lengths are a starting point where I will use the brochure to compare info.

Of course, I never buy a new car so the paper copy is important as I'm not sure how long the pdf format ones will remain around the internet for.
Martin

You can save PDFs you know! †I have a few saved, but keep clearing them down as they become less relevant.
Roadsterstu

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
VW dealers told me in Feb when I was shopping around that VW have discontinued paper brochures in the UK ; you must now go to the internet for an electronic brochure because ve Germans say so ! †Und ve are right.


I wonder how many lost sales to the elderly will result........


There shouldn't be any if the sales staff go through their questions and requirements fully.


It's not the same as going home and comparing statistics/information in a brochure for different manufacturers, and that's how a lot of the older population would do it.

Even I do. Car lengths are a starting point where I will use the brochure to compare info.

Of course, I never buy a new car so the paper copy is important as I'm not sure how long the pdf format ones will remain around the internet for.


I doubt many people go through car specs quite like we do.  I say "we", I mean you and Martin  In fact, I know I have never directly compared the length of one car to another.

PDFs can be printed, too. This is where the sales staff can be a bit more obliging if it's required.
PhilD

I'm with Stu. Old folks just go into their nearest VW, Honda or Nissan dealer and buy whatever they are told to don't they?!
gonnabuildabuggy

PhilD wrote:
I'm with Stu. Old folks just go into their nearest VW, Honda or Nissan dealer and buy whatever they are told to don't they?!


They need the brochure so they can go back after they have the VW, Honda and Nissan for two weeks and complain the fuel consumption they are getting doesn't match the brochure.

Perhaps this is the real reason they don't print brochures.

Having just written the above, I'll put money on VW having problems printing anything due to it's emissions scandal. Or did they put the work experience boy/girl on stickering duty.

"figures incorrect at time of going to press".
Martin

Isn't that what E&OE in the small print is for?
Chris M Wanted a V-10

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:

It's not the same as going home and comparing statistics/information in a brochure for different manufacturers, and that's how a lot of the older population would do it.

Even I do. Car lengths are a starting point where I will use the brochure to compare info.


Ditto. Not much point in setting out to buy a car that's too long to fit in the garage.  The length of the old Galaxy sticks in my mind at 4641mm since I could only just get the garage door closed if it was touching my workbench at the rear of the garage.
PhilD

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:

It's not the same as going home and comparing statistics/information in a brochure for different manufacturers, and that's how a lot of the older population would do it.

Even I do. Car lengths are a starting point where I will use the brochure to compare info.


Ditto. Not much point in setting out to buy a car that's too long to fit in the garage. †The length of the old Galaxy sticks in my mind at 4641mm since I could only just get the garage door closed if it was touching my workbench at the rear of the garage.


Get a smaller workbench?

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