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gooner

New car time for me too - update, car registered!

The Insignia's just about 2 1/2 years old and I received an email from work today that I ought to think about its replacement.

I'm pretty sold on a Golf hatch this time (I expect Blarno to unfriend me on Facebook by the end of this sentence!) but am rather undecided as to whether an estate would be the better bet. The Insignia is big enough to feel clumsy at times so I definitely want something smaller. I think the Golf hatch would be fine for 90% of my journeys but the boot won't fit the girls bikes in or be big enough for holiday. The hatch also can comes in Match spec, which is not available on the estate. So do I go for a big boot but less FG or small boot and a bike rack and roof box?

The Golf appeals as the rigmarole of taking my car over to Crawley for servicing has been rather annoying as is the piss poor service offered by ago Vauxhall. There's a rather good VW dealer next door to our office. The Insignia hasn't worn its years well either and has never truly felt like a quality product. That rules out the new Astra, which is a shame as it looks good and is very well specced. But can I really expect all the kit to work for three years (the Insignia has decided not to recognise my phone anymore or pick up DAB radio)

I like the 308SW from the outside but I'm not sure about the dials that sit above the dash and the nearest dealer is in Crawley again. Likewise Honda but my colleague recently got a Civic estate.

The other consideration is engine, do I stick diesel or go for a petrol. The ramping up of company car tax over the next few years makes a move away from the black pump.

Budget this year is a P11d value of 21500 or 23000 for a car with 99g CO2 or less.

A fully loaded 3O8 SW active 1.2 comes in a shade over 21k. The Allure model has bigger wheels and goes from 99g to 111g which is rather an oversight on Peugeots part.

Golf Estate SE Bluemotion starts at 21100. I can add nav, parking sensors and metallic paint within budget just. Sticking to non metallic grey and getting an updated hi fi is tempting though. The dealer reckons he might be able to get a 1.0TSI for me to test but supply is so scarce he's not driven one yet. At 113bhp and 148lb ft it's pretty punchy for a three cylinder. On paper at least.

The Golf Match Bluemotion edition 5dr is 20800 and already includes nav and sensors. That leaves budget for paint, xenons and a sound system upgrade as well as roof bars.

I'm certain I can do without an estate but I've never really been comfortable with hanging bikes off the back. It would restrict my wife's IKEA based ambitions but that's a bonus if I'm honest!

I'm happy to hear others opinions or ideas.
TreVoR

Octavia hatch?
cbeaks1

Beat me to it. Octavia or Leon ST?

The non GTi/D/E/R Golfs are very vanilla. I preferred the 308 when I did a back to back.
simonp

I looked up the two old Vauxhalls that I could recall the reg numbers of on Total Car Check and it was shocking how many things were pulled up on the old MOTs after I'd gotten rid. The Vectra obviously ended up as a taxi because it now has over 200K on the clock!
simonp

cbeaks1 wrote:
Beat me to it. Octavia or Leon ST?

The non GTi/D/E/R Golfs are very vanilla. I preferred the 308 when I did a back to back.


Not as vanilla as an Octavia, surely?
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Focus estate?
C-Max - although you might struggle with fitting bikes in the back or lifting them up onto the roof......
V40 / V60 ?
Frank Bullitt

I'd vote for the 308, they are a lovely vehicle - dials over the wheel are natural once you've got it set up right.  The SW is tidy and has a slightly longer wheelbase to the benefit of both the huge boot and rear seat space which is slightly bigger than the hatch. The Active spec is very high already and only really missed out on the LED lights and front parking sensors from the Allure, plus some other bits.  The pure tech 130 is getting nothing but cracking reports.

If you want a hatch then have a look at whether a boot mounted rack will fit on the car otherwise if you go for a hatch and roof box, the bikes will need an expensive tow bar.
gooner

Whilst the Insignia was away having its fan belt replaced last week (or not replaced and the car returned covered in bird shit as it actually turned out!) I took our pool car, an Octavia estate S 1.6TDI home and found the engine pulled almost as well as the 2.0 lump in the Vauxhall but it felt rather cheap inside and was indeed even more vanilla than the Golf. I will have a look at the hatch though. We've got a couple of Leon FRs on our fleet but I'm not keen on the centre console. But I haven't sat in or driven one so its worth a closer look.

I had a new shape Focus as a hire car in Ireland a couple of weeks back (a 1.6d Zetec) and it was ok, but I had a pre facelift one for 6months before the Insignia and would prefer something different. Again I think it's quite an oversight that Ford haven't got the emissions of the 1.0 ecoboost a bit lower.
PG

Trying to be doffereent - and according to back page of Autocar for the stats  -
An A3 Sportback 1.2 TFSi Sport Nav is under £21k, or a 1.6 Tdi Ultra is under budget too.  
How about going Italian - Alfa Giuletta, CO2 not great but a lot of choice under £21k.
One of my staff has just got a Renault Kadjar 1.2TCe 130 Dynamic Nav, 128 CO2 but lists at £20195. He really likes it and plenty big enough for family duties.
Honda Civic Tourer - nearly all the diesels are under £23k and 99 CO2.
Go hybrid - Toyota Auris Touring, Design spec, 92 CO2, £22295.

Or just get a Golf......
Roadrunner

How about the latest Alfa Romeo Guilietta 1.6 JTDM-2? 99 CO2 and only £19,650, or £20,900 in Super trim.

Edit: Just spotted PG's post. Great minds etc...
Frank Bullitt

The Guilietta is lovely if you're happy sawing off your left leg after each gear change as there is nowhere to put it - cack oversight on behalf of Alfa (wasn't an issue in the 147)
gooner

We've got a few Auris hybrids on our fleet and they leave me rather cold, but they are pre facelift hatchbacks so maybe the newer shape estate might be better.

Premium models are not allowed (no Audi, BMW or Mercedes but oddly my colleague was allowed a Lexus CT200h). Rather a shame really but we're a small business and it's always been that way, even our exec managers aren't allowed to outshine our MDs 320d.

Had forgotten about the Kadjar, are they bigger than the Cashcow? They look it.
Giant

How about an Astra? Leagues ahead of current Insignia IMO.
gooner

Giant wrote:
How about an Astra? Leagues ahead of current Insignia IMO.


It does look good and is very well specced. But the build quality of my Insignia doesn't give me the confidence I'd like to have in a car and the nearest dealer is crap.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

gooner wrote:
But the build quality of my Insignia doesn't give me the confidence I'd like to have in a car and the nearest dealer is crap.

From the reviews, the latest Astra is almost a light-year ahead of its predecessor; you could try asking Giant......
Bob Sacamano

The Peugeot 308SW looks like a nice bit of kit with a premium air. My concern with Peugeots is that the veneer of quality seems to wear off pretty quickly during daily use over a number of years. That said, the new ones could be better.

I'd also be tempted to try the Kadjar.
PG

gooner wrote:
Had forgotten about the Kadjar, are they bigger than the Cashcow? They look it.


They look bigger to me too, but according to the reviews they are built on the same chassis as the Cashcow, so looks are probably being deceptive. Have you ruled out a Cashcow?
cbeaks1

I didn't realise they were under 99g/km. The Acenta gets under the price limit too.

Nice family car and different to the estates you have been having.
gonnabuildabuggy

Another vote for the Cashcow?

What are the rules for what you are allowed.

Is a Mondeo allowed if you had an Insignia this time round.

Time to persuade your MD to trade up to a 530d M Sport I'd say, the 320d was pretty much standard account manager fodder where I last worked.
Racing Teatray

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I'd vote for the 308, they are a lovely vehicle - dials over the wheel are natural once you've got it set up right.  The SW is tidy and has a slightly longer wheelbase to the benefit of both the huge boot and rear seat space which is slightly bigger than the hatch. The Active spec is very high already and only really missed out on the LED lights and front parking sensors from the Allure, plus some other bits.  The pure tech 130 is getting nothing but cracking reports.

If you want a hatch then have a look at whether a boot mounted rack will fit on the car otherwise if you go for a hatch and roof box, the bikes will need an expensive tow bar.


My brother-in-law has a 308 SW with a 1.2 engine and full FG spec. It's extremely smart (even in "my eyes!" metallic white) and seems to pull well even with a family of four and all their kit on board. Manages to look and feel surprisingly premium. But be careful on spec as lower spec ones on shirt buttons can look a bit pants.
gonnabuildabuggy

I'll confess to be way out of date with modern engines, the idea of driving a 1.0 fills me with dread.

My company car choices were based on:

How fast does it go/well does it pull in gear
What FG (though this was the days of not much so Climate and CD player)
Does it handle well.

Though I had a couple of 3 series, in many ways my 405GTX was the best, went fast (enough), Climate, Alloys and CD player when these were not standard fit in virtually anything, and handled like old school Pug's used to.
Nice Guy Eddie

Rather embarrassed to say I had no idea what a 308 looked like. I thought you lot were going on about the previous model that looked like a hippo.
gooner

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Rather embarrassed to say I had no idea what a 308 looked like. I thought you lot were going on about the previous model that looked like a hippo.


The new one is a bit of an improvement. I'm going to have a proper look round this weekend and see what I think. The Golf estate and 308 SW look most promising so far, going back to petrol without incurring extra tax costs making them a most appealing option.
PhilD

gooner wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Rather embarrassed to say I had no idea what a 308 looked like. I thought you lot were going on about the previous model that looked like a hippo.


The new one is a bit of an improvement. I'm going to have a proper look round this weekend and see what I think. The Golf estate and 308 SW look most promising so far, going back to petrol without incurring extra tax costs making them a most appealing option.


Can't recall seeing a SW but the hatch is very handsome thing. Not in two-tone though!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
I'll confess to be way out of date with modern engines, the idea of driving a 1.0 fills me with dread.

You really ought to try a Fiesta Ecoboost, just for the fun of it.......





(it could get addictive.....)
Martin

I drive past a top spec 308 every morning and it does look smart, I think that would be on my shortlist along with the Golf and Astra.  Totally understand your concerns about the Vauxhall dealer and it would probably put me off too, but isn't there another one you could use, even if it's just somewhere you pass regularly?
Giant

gooner wrote:
Giant wrote:
How about an Astra? Leagues ahead of current Insignia IMO.


It does look good and is very well specced. But the build quality of my Insignia doesn't give me the confidence I'd like to have in a car and the nearest dealer is crap.


I think your budget would get you a fully loaded Astra including Voodoo headlights.  I think mine, the 110bhp diesel is 89g CO2/km, not sure what the 136bhp or petrols are.

I can't yet comment on the longevity of the build quality yet, so far I've done 5000 trouble free miles in ten weeks.

The interior is quite minimalist, what buttons and dials there are have a good quality feel to them, without the lateral movement and 'slack' that normally betrays cheaper standards. I'd say a 'Nav' model is essential, the larger screen, along with colour screen between the dials (non nav have a monochrome screen there) really lifts the interior. The touch screen is quick to react and easy to use, with the ability to swipe through menus and pinch to zoom out on the map etc.
The Qashqai is the default choice at work due to the high spec and low tax but the interiors are not as nice as the Astra although I do love their full length glass roofs.
A VW fan work colleague did concede the other day that he preferred the Astras interior to his Mk7 golf, but couldn't have brought himself to get an Astra!

I'm starting to see quite a few now and am yet to see one in a bad colour, the colour choices are all good.
gooner

Martin wrote:
I drive past a top spec 308 every morning and it does look smart, I think that would be on my shortlist along with the Golf and Astra.  Totally understand your concerns about the Vauxhall dealer and it would probably put me off too, but isn't there another one you could use, even if it's just somewhere you pass regularly?


You would think there would be but the only other I found was an ex-Saab dealer out in the sticks that just does servicing. I was not impressed by the 150k mile 1997 Saab 9-5 courtesy car. Otherwise I think I need to go to either Chichester or Worthing, either of which is well out of the way. Using a VW dealer next door would make life easier. That's not to say I'd rule it out and I can get an SRI nav 1.0 touring. It does come in nicer colours than the Golf - including the rather fetching Emerald green of my Insignia.
Giant

How often would you be encountering the dealer though? A bad one would annoy me, but wouldn't affect my choice of company car as it should only be an annual experience and it wouldn't be  my own money they receive.
Frank Bullitt

I travel further than my closest Audi and Citroen dealers for servicing, I really wouldn't let that bother you.

Anyway, I'd still go for the 308!
Roadsterstu

I wouldn't rule out the Astra until you've tried it. I think the new one looks quite smart, if rather understated and it's certainly a good step up in quality over the last one.

Did you look into Mondeo pricing? Or do they not manage the CO2 figures you want? Other than that I would suggest what others have suggested and I think the Qashqai and Kadjar are worth a look - the Kadjar probably comes with Media Nav Plus and plenty of FG. Good looking cars too.
gooner

Mondeo hatch falls into my budget but I think an estate car is going to be the best bet for family duties.

The 308 is slowly creeping ahead of the Golf the more I look at the configurator but I need to try it first to see if I'd be happy with the dials sat on top of the dash, it seems oddly unintuitive to me but I can't help wondering if it's something I'll try and fail to understand why no one thought of it before.
Frank Bullitt

I think the views on it on this forum vary, putting it politely.

Both my wife and I found them immediately intuitive, I'm 6'4" and she is 5'3" - I tend to drive with the seat as low as it can go and as far back as needed (typically all the way on most cars) and again the wheel as low as possible with it pulled as close to me as possible - this means I am looking over the dials with no issues.

My wife drives with the seat close to the pedals and the backrest more reclined, I notice pad that she too has the wheel fairly low and could see over it quite happily - she commented that it seemed odd nobody had thought of it before because you get great visibility of the dials wiout taking your eyes from the road.  I think you could find it unintuitive if you prefer to have the wheel higher, it will then likely foul your line of sight.  In order to pass the 'me behind me' test (which the 308 hatch does, never mind the SW) I had to pull the seat a little forward and lift it slightly, lifting the wheel also - again I could see the dials and the driving position was still perfectly comfortable; I suspect the SW wouldn't need me to adjust it at all.

The 308SW (GT Puretech) is on my shortlist for the next car, but then I have a soft spot for Peugeot's and after the 'bad years' my recent experience has been incredibly positive, the quality is fantastic and apart from a (now resolved) crank float issue on the 1.2 N/A unit in early 208's and C3's I'm not aware of any issues that affect recent PSA products, 2008 owners in particular seem to be a very happy lot indeed. Small estates sit high on my radar, that the 308SW is good looking is just the icing on the cake.
gooner

If I go for the pug it'll be the 1.2 active. The Allure gets the led lights but comes with bigger wheels pushing the CO2 up from 99 to 111g. But tbh the Active still gets nav and plenty other toys and for my budget I can also add a panoramic roof and rear DVD players for the kids. The 110bhp engine is meant to be pretty good, if slightly less sprightly than the 130.

That's not to say I don't also really like the Golf so it's a close choice at the moment but the Pug is edging it. The only trouble being there's no dealers within 30miles of where I live!
Racing Teatray

I had no issues with the dials above the steering wheel issue in the 208 we rented last year. You get used to it fairly quickly.

I also have a soft spot for smaller Pug estates (although the 308SW has an absolutely cavernous boot) because my mother had 305 1.9 GTX estate when we were kids, which she always said was a super car. Rather better than the Montego Countryman she had afterwards.
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
The Guilietta is lovely if you're happy sawing off your left leg after each gear change as there is nowhere to put it - cack oversight on behalf of Alfa (wasn't an issue in the 147)


as in no rest or no room?
Frank Bullitt

No room! If you get the dual clutch one they do have space and a footrest but manuals have no space to the left of the clutch.

Active spec is decent, they have removed the electronic parking brake which is a shame but loads of FG
PG

Frank Bullitt wrote:
No room! If you get the dual clutch one they do have space and a footrest but manuals have no space to the left of the clutch.


It's probably a RHD conversion issue then? Just get the dual clutch. Simples.
gooner

Racing Teatray wrote:
I had no issues with the dials above the steering wheel issue in the 208 we rented last year. You get used to it fairly quickly.

I also have a soft spot for smaller Pug estates (although the 308SW has an absolutely cavernous boot) because my mother had 305 1.9 GTX estate when we were kids, which she always said was a super car. Rather better than the Montego Countryman she had afterwards.


I think walking was better than the Montego Countryman!
Humphrey The Pug

PG wrote:
gooner wrote:
Had forgotten about the Kadjar, are they bigger than the Cashcow? They look it.


They look bigger to me too, but according to the reviews they are built on the same chassis as the Cashcow, so looks are probably being deceptive. Have you ruled out a Cashcow?


They have a bigger boot but the other internals are the same.
cbeaks1

gooner wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
I had no issues with the dials above the steering wheel issue in the 208 we rented last year. You get used to it fairly quickly.

I also have a soft spot for smaller Pug estates (although the 308SW has an absolutely cavernous boot) because my mother had 305 1.9 GTX estate when we were kids, which she always said was a super car. Rather better than the Montego Countryman she had afterwards.


I think walking was better than the Montego Countryman!


I had 2. It was a brilliant first (and second) car.
Frank Bullitt

PG wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
No room! If you get the dual clutch one they do have space and a footrest but manuals have no space to the left of the clutch.


It's probably a RHD conversion issue then? Just get the dual clutch. Simples.


It is a RHD issue, the LHD has a footrest on the wheel arch.
PhilD

PG wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
No room! If you get the dual clutch one they do have space and a footrest but manuals have no space to the left of the clutch.


It's probably a RHD conversion issue then? Just get the dual clutch. Simples.


What could possibly go wrong with an Alfa dual clutch gearbox...
Andy C

Not sure about the 308 , but There was nothing natural about the 208 I briefly drove ,  nor the numerous ones I've sat in

In my driving position, I couldn't see the dials properly

The only solution was to lower the steering wheel, but then it was like driving with it in my lap

Add in the pig ugly front end , shit seat, shit pedal feel, and even shitter gearchange , means I'm
Out !
gooner

I think I've almost made my decision. The Pug looks good, and is more interesting, but the more I look at the interior the less I'm convinced I'll get on with all the controls being via touchscreen. I can't help thinking it will annoy me.

Playing with the Golf configurator I'm thinking of going for a 1.0 SE estate in Tornado Red. I'll then add nav and a parking camera instead of sensors leaving me enough budget left over for Dynaudio sound pack, which I reckon is well worth having.

The other caviat re the budget is that the lease cost has to be no more than £450/m but I won't know that until our fleet company give us a quote. I'm hoping the Golfs improved residual value compared to other makes/models will work in my favour on that one!
Andy C

You can't go wrong with a golf . My mate has a 1.6 diesel estate as a company car, and he loves it

Maybe the obvious choice , but with good reason
Roadrunner

Golf or Pug could be good. Is it worth having a couple of test drives before making your decision? If you go for the Golf, the Dynaudio option is well worth the extra cost.
Humphrey The Pug

£450 a month on a lease/contract hire can get something rather nicer than a Golf; if the Golf is coming out at close to that, someone is being ripped off
Martin

With the miles you do, an extended test drive is essential, especially as you're looking at a very different engine.

I think the Golf would edge it for me too.  Worth asking if you can get the tech pack in budget rather than just the speaker upgrade.

Edit: Just looked at the (April 16) estate price list and you can't have the upgraded speakers on the SE Bluemotion and there isn't a tech pack on the estate.
gooner

Martin wrote:
With the miles you do, an extended test drive is essential, especially as you're looking at a very different engine.

I think the Golf would edge it for me too.  Worth asking if you can get the tech pack in budget rather than just the speaker upgrade.

Edit: Just looked at the (April 16) estate price list and you can't have the upgraded speakers on the SE Bluemotion and there isn't a tech pack on the estate.


You can according to the configurator. But I will have to speak with the VW dealer. The trouble with trying to get a test drive is that there's hardly any dealers with them in stock. AT shows just 12 in the UK, though one is in Guildford which I might be able to get to, all assuming they'll give me a test drive given that I'm not buying it from them.

The lease cost is based on a 30k miles PA contract, which does push up the price somewhat.
Martin

I'd trust the price list over the configurator and sales staff.....

Testing the right car isn't always easy, I was lucky as I had extended test drives of the exact cars on my shortlist.   A 30k lease will push the cost up, I know too well as I'm on a 30k pa PCP.
PhilD

The crazy world of car buying...

"Hi estate agent I'd like to buy this house can I have a look around?"
"No sorry, but we can show you round one a bit similar, one less bedroom and no garden. Is that ok?"

"Hi shop assistant I really like this suit, can I try it on? I need a 32" waist and 40" chest please"
"No sorry, but you can try this 40" waist 36" chest, is that ok?"
gooner

Had a chat with the dealer next to work earlier and the price list is right it appears. The dealer couldn't see why but the diesel Bluemotion is the same. The only deduction we could make is that the Dynaudio pack includes a subwoofer that sits inside the spare wheel. All Golfs come from the factory with a space saver spare, except for the Bluemotion models, which get a tyre repair kit.

I will of course be getting a spare from the fleet company but it's not a factory option. Bit of a shame really but I will perhaps look at having something else from the option list to make up for it.
Martin

That makes sense and a bit of a shame, although in all the VWs I've had, the standard stereo was pretty good.  A lot better than the standard BMW setup as an example.
gooner

We had the quote through from Fleethire today. Apparently keyless entry is not available and nor is Dynaudio despite the car apparently having a space saver as standard like the rest of the range (though VWs website says otherwise). It does seem odd to advertise lots of extras and then refuse to sell them to you.

Anyway the final quote was for a Bluemotion SE estate in tornado red with discover nav and rear camera on a 3yr 90k lease including maintenance at £462/m. So I've asked to go ahead. Not sure how long until I get it. There's usually about 12-15 weeks wait but the Insignia doesn't go back until 28 October so it might not be ordered until the end of May or even mid June.
Martin

They OK with you going over £450 then?

Have you managed to have a drive in one?  I do like the Golf Estate, but struggle a little with the idea of a 1.0 petrol engine in one.  It's probably fine, but 3 years / 90,000 miles is a lot of driving.
gooner

Theyve said the lease cost is 'acceptable'. I've not driven the 1.0 but have tried a 1.2TSI (which was lower powered) and found it a massive improvement in refinement compared to the 1.6TDI. I had a drive in a colleagues Golf hatch and found it comfortable and easy to find a good driving position in. All the reviews I've read on the 1.0 Golf have been positive too. Performance wise I can't see me suffering. I'll be dropping 25bhp compared to the Insignia but in a car that weighs a good 300kg less. Going back to petrol after so many years of diesel is something I think I'll enjoy.

I liked the 308 but couldn't bring myself to have to get used to the controls all being on the touch screen with sub menus for the A/C and felt the Skoda Octavia was too big for the wife to drive as well as being a bit boring with 5 already on our company fleet.

So overall I think I'll be happy with it even though it's the smallest engine I've ever had in a car (my previous low was my first ever Polo at 1043cc)
Frank Bullitt

gooner wrote:
I liked the 308 but couldn't bring myself to have to get used to the controls all being on the touch screen with sub menus for the A/C


Are you really a woman? It has climate, so you set a temperature and leave it - there are 4 or 5 buttons under the screen, one of which is the heated rear window and the other the 'max demist'. I really can't see why you'd need regular access to more!
JohnC

It's amazing the way that the technology and engineering has moved on. Who would have thought, even 5 years ago, that a car the size of a Golf Estate could ever be satisfactorily propelled by a 1 litre petrol.

Turbo technology is going to keep making smaller engines more potent and if the modestly boosted 116i I drove as a courtesy car is anything to go by, they will have plenty of torque too.

Enjoy when it arrives.
Frank Bullitt

Downsizing isn't a massively new trend though, go back to cars like the Rover SD1 V8, replaced by the 827 which was then replaced by the blown 820 - of course you could cite the different noise etc but in terms of actually getting the thing down the road, the newer engines were no less reliable or capable.

I'd rather a thrummy 3-pot blown 1.0 than a N/a 4-pot 1.6...
Martin

Frank Bullitt wrote:
gooner wrote:
I liked the 308 but couldn't bring myself to have to get used to the controls all being on the touch screen with sub menus for the A/C


Are you really a woman? It has climate, so you set a temperature and leave it - there are 4 or 5 buttons under the screen, one of which is the heated rear window and the other the 'max demist'. I really can't see why you'd need regular access to more!




My sister drives my Dad mad when she's in the back of his car, as she turns the temperature right down as soon as she gets in (when it's warm) so it will cool the car quicker.  She won't listen of course.....  Thankfully not all women are the same

Sounds like you'll be happy with the Golf.
Roadsterstu

Good news. Hope you enjoy it when it arrives. It seems a long way off.
PG

Enjoy it.

It'll be fascinating to hear how you get on with a 1.0 in a Golf. As others have said it feels "wrong", but tech is moving on and hopefully it'll be a great experience and no NOX pumping out of the back  
gooner

Just had an email back regarding my order:

"Just got word back from fleethire – seems that it takes a while for the dealers to admit they cannot deliver what is being ordered – as expected the spare wheel could be an issue:-

Robert Young has told me: Thanks for your email. I have checked with our dealers and all 2017 Golfs come with a puncture kit. The only alternative would be to order a separate space saver with brace and jack but there is no dedicated space in the boot to fit these securely so will reduce luggage space and may not be practical."

Seems an odd thing to suggest that there will be no space for the spare wheel as the well is part of the chassis and I can't imagine that VW will have redesigned the rear part of the chassis to the extent a spare will no longer fit. There are also a number of markets where a spare wheel is a necessity so they wouldn't have two chassis designs.
Giant

gooner wrote:
Just had an email back regarding my order:

"Just got word back from fleethire – seems that it takes a while for the dealers to admit they cannot deliver what is being ordered – as expected the spare wheel could be an issue:-

Robert Young has told me: Thanks for your email. I have checked with our dealers and all 2017 Golfs come with a puncture kit. The only alternative would be to order a separate space saver with brace and jack but there is no dedicated space in the boot to fit these securely so will reduce luggage space and may not be practical."

Seems an odd thing to suggest that there will be no space for the spare wheel as the well is part of the chassis and I can't imagine that VW will have redesigned the rear part of the chassis to the extent a spare will no longer fit. There are also a number of markets where a spare wheel is a necessity so they wouldn't have two chassis designs.


My Astra doesn't have a spare and has a lower boot floor compared to those that do, with a rigid 'carpet' that can't be lifted, so suspect they actually do have different boot floor panels.

I'll look underneath tomorrow to check, it could be that the lower floor is achieved just by removing all the packaging that normally surrounds the spare wheel and tools.
JohnC

It might just be that they have filled the spare wheel well with other things as in the RS and have no provision to hold the spare wheel down.

Is a spare wheel a necessity? (think I've heard that before somewhere!)
gooner

JohnC wrote:
It might just be that they have filled the spare wheel well with other things as in the RS and have no provision to hold the spare wheel down.

Is a spare wheel a necessity? (think I've heard that before somewhere!)


It's company policy to order one because the repair kits have been next to useless in most of the punctures we've had on the fleet including the two I've had which happened on the motorway. In both cases by the time I'd pulled to the hard shoulder the tyre was shredded. After the second time I ordered a spare for the Insignia but haven't actually needed it! I've had 3 punctures in the last 10 years so I'm not quite as bad as Chris but not having a spare is a right ball ache.
Frank Bullitt

308SW's have a space saver as standard and for £100 can have this upgraded to a full size spare.

Just sayin'...
Bob Sacamano

gooner wrote:
JohnC wrote:
It might just be that they have filled the spare wheel well with other things as in the RS and have no provision to hold the spare wheel down.

Is a spare wheel a necessity? (think I've heard that before somewhere!)


It's company policy to order one because the repair kits have been next to useless in most of the punctures we've had on the fleet including the two I've had which happened on the motorway. In both cases by the time I'd pulled to the hard shoulder the tyre was shredded. After the second time I ordered a spare for the Insignia but haven't actually needed it! I've had 3 punctures in the last 10 years so I'm not quite as bad as Chris but not having a spare is a right ball ache.


It still wouldn't persuade me to have a spare wheel. If the tyre was shredded and I'm on the hard shoulder there's no way I'm changing a wheel there - any half decent risk assessment would deem it a no-go with traffic flying past at 80 mph inches away. I'm sure any clued -up Company would also forbid it as the potential for employee death would be too high.

I would never allow my missus to try changing a wheel on her car for obvious reasons but I'd be OK with her using a get me home tyre foam kit and then phoning the AA if that didn't work.
gooner

Bob Sacamano wrote:
gooner wrote:
JohnC wrote:
It might just be that they have filled the spare wheel well with other things as in the RS and have no provision to hold the spare wheel down.

Is a spare wheel a necessity? (think I've heard that before somewhere!)


It's company policy to order one because the repair kits have been next to useless in most of the punctures we've had on the fleet including the two I've had which happened on the motorway. In both cases by the time I'd pulled to the hard shoulder the tyre was shredded. After the second time I ordered a spare for the Insignia but haven't actually needed it! I've had 3 punctures in the last 10 years so I'm not quite as bad as Chris but not having a spare is a right ball ache.


It still wouldn't persuade me to have a spare wheel. If the tyre was shredded and I'm on the hard shoulder there's no way I'm changing a wheel there - any half decent risk assessment would deem it a no-go with traffic flying past at 80 mph inches away. I'm sure any clued -up Company would also forbid it as the potential for employee death would be too high.

I would never allow my missus to try changing a wheel on her car for obvious reasons but I'd be OK with her using a get me home tyre foam kit and then phoning the AA if that didn't work.


But where the problem came with the Insignia was its funny sized tyres which had to be ordered in. This meant I once had to be transported all the way home with the car on the back of a truck as the AA were unable to locate a new tyre for me.

I agree your point re risk, we are a H&S consultancy so wouldn't expect our drivers to risk their lives, but the AA or RAC will want to change your wheel at the side of the road rather than tow you away.
gooner

Frank Bullitt wrote:
308SW's have a space saver as standard and for £100 can have this upgraded to a full size spare.

Just sayin'...


I thought the Golf did too. The biggest turn off for the 308 is having nowhere near where I live to service it now the dealers in Horsham and Crawley have both closed down. The dealer down in Bognor won't collect it from me as I love too far away.
Bob Sacamano

gooner wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
308SW's have a space saver as standard and for £100 can have this upgraded to a full size spare.

Just sayin'...


I thought the Golf did too. The biggest turn off for the 308 is having nowhere near where I live to service it now the dealers in Horsham and Crawley have both closed down. The dealer down in Bognor won't collect it from me as I love too far away.


love a bit nearer then.. long-distance relationships should not influence your car choice.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
gooner wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
308SW's have a space saver as standard and for £100 can have this upgraded to a full size spare.

Just sayin'...


I thought the Golf did too. The biggest turn off for the 308 is having nowhere near where I live to service it now the dealers in Horsham and Crawley have both closed down. The dealer down in Bognor won't collect it from me as I love too far away.


love a bit nearer then.. long-distance relationships should not influence your car choice.


"Love Too Far Away" the heartbreaking new ITV drama staring Sarah Lancashire and David Tennant.
Grampa

gooner wrote:
Not sure how long until I get it. There's usually about 12-15 weeks wait but the Insignia doesn't go back until 28 October so it might not be ordered until the end of May or even mid June.


Hope your VW order doesn't turn into the farce that preceded the delivery of my Scirocco.  VW's customer service was a joke compared to Vauxhall's for my previous Astra where I had an update on every bit of the car's progress and they were so upset at it being just seven days late (seven days late would have been a dream target for VW), they dropped a demo off on the day it should have been delivered.
gooner

We'll have to see what happens but fleethire will aim to provide a direct key to key swap at the end of October when the Insignias three years are up so they've plenty of time to get it sorted.
gooner

I went to have another quick look at the spec I'll be getting and it turns out the SE Bluemotion has already been removed from the price list to be replaced with the Match Bluemotion edition. (In fact the SE has been replaced by Match completely) Same engine etc but comes with nav, sensors, winter pack and front fog lights for more or less the same price as the SE. I'll need to see if 1. They can actually still get the SE given that they'll be planning on it arriving late October so might not have ordered it or 2. whether I can change the order to the Match as it'll give me more kit and a slightly lower p11d value.

Why can't VW tell their dealer these things so they can actually inform their customers properly!
gonnabuildabuggy

gooner wrote:
I went to have another quick look at the spec I'll be getting and it turns out the SE Bluemotion has already been removed from the price list to be replaced with the Match Bluemotion edition. (In fact the SE has been replaced by Match completely) Same engine etc but comes with nav, sensors, winter pack and front fog lights for more or less the same price as the SE. I'll need to see if 1. They can actually still get the SE given that they'll be planning on it arriving late October so might not have ordered it or 2. whether I can change the order to the Match as it'll give me more kit and a slightly lower p11d value.

Why can't VW tell their dealer these things so they can actually inform their customers properly!


Depends, last thing they want is customers not ordering as there will be a better value model along in 3 months.
Bryan M

I would try and swap to the Match regardless, will they let you cancel and reorder?
gooner

Bryan M wrote:
I would try and swap to the Match regardless, will they let you cancel and reorder?


Haven't a clue, but I'll ask tomorrow. Just seems odd that they've replaced all SE models despite their dealers all being adamant that the estate never comes in Match trim.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

VW configurator currently shows that the estate can be ordered in SE and Match trims, and in normal or Bowelmotion versions
gooner

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
VW configurator currently shows that the estate can be ordered in SE and Match trims, and in normal or Bowelmotion versions


But the official price list no longer has SE models listed.
simonp

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...test-review-effective-load-lugger
Chris M Wanted a V-10

If you do a google search for VW Golf estate pricelist, the most recent version currently being displayed is from 26-May-2016 and the SE has indeed vanished. Bowelmotion models come with no spare (not even as an extra-cost option) but there is an optional extra in the form of an alloy wheel, and another extra is an alloy wheel bag.... so presumably VW are saying that if you want a spare, you can buy a wheel and bag to store it in the load bay but you'll have to sort the tyre out yourself.
What about a jack and wheelbrace???
gooner

We ordered a spare wheel through fleethire which I'm sure I'll be able to do something with, perhaps mount it on the bonnet like an old Landie!

I got told the other week that the car is ordered but not being built yet as I don't need it til the end of October. They weren't sure whether VW will be building me a match or an SE so I'll just have to wait and see what turns up.
gooner

Had an email yesterday, the Golf has arrived and has been registered, it's definitely an SE not a Match but I won't lose too much sleep over that, folding mirrors and bum warmers aren't necessities for me. Reg starts VK66 so looks like it's somewhere around Worcestershire. The Insignia's lease runs until 27th October but I've arranged delivery for the 25th. Quite looking forward to it now!
Big Blue

Cool.
Martin

Excellent, not long to wait.
PG

Bring it on!
TreVoR

Enjoy!
gooner



All washed and ready for the auction house. Didn't quite shed a tear when I reset the radio/nav system back to factory settings, but it's been an eventful 3 years. Whether it was the best choice of car when I got it is always debatable but other than errant motorists having a habit of pranging it, nothing has actually gone wrong other than the radio occasionally refusing to pick up DAB signals. I'll probably chalk that one up as being a first-world problem that was easily solved by putting on a CD! Being 4.8m long it's never been short of space inside and has swallowed some rather large pieces of IKEA flat pack. Interior quality is generally good even if the aluminium effect trim across the dash is never going to fool anyone into thinking it isn't plastic! It's resisted scratches and there's been no rattles, which is good for 80k miles. With a decent vacuum and some Simoniz upholstery foam it looks almost as new. The leather wheel and gearstick haven't worn at all either, whereas my Megane had a hole in the gearstick by this many miles!  

It's been a really easy car to drive and sits at 80+ on the motorway extremely easily (apparently, haven't tried it myself of course). The drivers perch is very comfortable. When I first got it the lumbar support rather stuck into my back, even on its lowest setting, but actually made long journeys much more tolerable. It's also not bad through corners for such a big car. I've never been overly happy with the amount of noise the engine makes though, it's certainly not as smooth as the 1.6 diesel that's replaced it, nor that fitted to the Octavia I was also considering 3 years ago, though it does at least have more power and torque. I managed about 55mpg on the motorway and about 45 around town which is nowhere near the economy I achieved in my Megane ST (65 and 55 respectively) despite having an official CO2 figure of 98g/km compared to the Renaults 119g.

So overall, whilst I know it's not been as desirable a car as some others on here, it's done its job very well with no complaints and no reliability issues. There are subjectively better cars for the money with quiter, more economical engines and better interiors. But the equipment count is high and as a car to drive every day and do mega miles in it doesn't do much wrong.
Frank Bullitt

My mate has a 2.0 160CDTi in VX-Line spec and it's a superb car in many ways, it doesn't massively appeal to me but I can see why they are great at the job in-hand and his certainly feels solid.

Another friend has recently got an Estate as a company car, no idea what spec/ engine it has but he is a service engineer and can take all his tools.
gooner

The estate is vast. If it's a company car it's probably a 1.6 diesel, which replaced the lower powered 2.0 diesel. Vauxhall call it a whisper diesel so it should be a bit quieter than mine. The power is 130bhp compared to my 140 but with the drop in capacity I think the torque figure is lower than the 258 lb ft in mine, but it's a lighter engine which probably compensates.
Roadsterstu

New car time, nice!
gooner

It's here! First impressions are good. A quick drive home showed it to be easily as quick as the Insignia with a lot less of the noise. The order sheet shows is as an SE but as you can see from the pictures it's actually a Match. So I've git he winter pack and front foglights in addition to the sat nav and parking sensors we'd ordered.






Bryan M

It looks very smart - and an unexpected bonus with the winter pack - I like my bum warmers in the winter (once you have got over the feeling of wetting yourself!)

Enjoy

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