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Michael

Name this car

There was a time I could name most cars on the roads, not any more.
I didn't even know this existed.
Who knows what it is without resorting to Google?

Chris M Wanted a V-10

Did you black out the wheel centres?
First thoughts are that it looks like the Mitsubishi Barbarian
Michael

I did to obscure the badges. Your guess is wrong.
Boxer6

My first thought was L200 or similar too.

If not that, some sort of Toyota; Hilux maybe?
Blarno

Isuzu DMAX
Michael

All wrong. Restores your faith a bit that we're all crap at pikey chariots.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Well if it's not a Mitsubishi L200 or Triton then it must be a Chinese rip-off of same
Michael

It's not a Mitsubishi and it's not Chinese.
Frank Bullitt

Hmm, I was going to go with Big Wall thing but is it a new Ford Ranger?
Andy C

Nissan Navara?
Michael

Call yourself car nerds? You're all crap. Phil should be along in a minute with his anorak to set you all right.
PR

It must be a Fiat Fullback - which appears to be a rebadged Mitsubishi L200.
Blarno

Going slightly off tangent here, why have BMW never entered the commercial vehicle race? It's never done Mercedes any harm having a boatload of vans and trucks in their line up.
Michael

PR wrote:
It must be a Fiat Fullback - which appears to be a rebadged Mitsubishi L200.


Geek!
Wonder when they'll do an Abarth version?
PR

Nice Guy Eddie

Well done Piers, I had not a scooby do what that was.
Roadsterstu

Michael wrote:
PR wrote:
It must be a Fiat Fullback - which appears to be a rebadged Mitsubishi L200.


Geek!
Wonder when they'll do an Abarth version?


Saw one at Geneva and laughed out loud. Why?????
Roadsterstu

Blarno wrote:
Going slightly off tangent here, why have BMW never entered the commercial vehicle race? It's never done Mercedes any harm having a boatload of vans and trucks in their line up.



Its surely only a matter of time...
BeN

PR wrote:
It must be a Fiat Fullback - which appears to be a rebadged Mitsubishi L200.


What on earth? I didn't even know there is such a thing.

Blimey.
PhilD

Michael wrote:
Call yourself car nerds? You're all crap. Phil should be along in a minute with his anorak to set you all right.


The anorak is the VW one, not the Fiat one.
Bob Sacamano

BeN wrote:
PR wrote:
It must be a Fiat Fullback - which appears to be a rebadged Mitsubishi L200.


What on earth? I didn't even know there is such a thing.

Blimey.


http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/fiat/fullback

For patriotic Italians everywhere. It's been oft repeated that you could stick a FIAT badge on a cardboard box with wheels in Italy and it would sell. FIAT understand this.

Apparently it will not be imported to the US due to the chicken tax.
Michael

PhilD wrote:
Michael wrote:
Call yourself car nerds? You're all crap. Phil should be along in a minute with his anorak to set you all right.


The anorak is the VW one, not the Fiat one.

Very good.  
You're the only person I could think of on here with a Fiat - other than Colin but he doesn't post anymore.
Humphrey The Pug

New one on me that thing.
Bob Sacamano

On a slightly different tack; I'm seeing loads of TV adverts for the new Renault Megane - it looks quite good but I've yet to see one on the road.
Blarno

I think I saw one the other day. I can't be sure though, could have been any other hatchback.
Tim

Roadsterstu wrote:

Saw one at Geneva and laughed out loud. Why?????


Why not - it's a large market and if they can turn a profit from it then that's what they're in business to do.
Giant

PR wrote:
It must be a Fiat Fullback - which appears to be a rebadged Mitsubishi L200.


Badge engineering one of the top selling models in the sector makes sense, but given the 'brands' within the FIAT portfolio, surely this should be a Jeep?
Grampa

Is it wrong to be proud of the fact I can't distinguish any of this type of vehicle, be it a Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan or whatever - and no, I had no idea Fiat did one.

I'm doing a wrap for a Hi Lux at the moment and until I found the outlines I had no idea what to expect.
cbeaks1

Giant wrote:
PR wrote:
It must be a Fiat Fullback - which appears to be a rebadged Mitsubishi L200.


Badge engineering one of the top selling models in the sector makes sense, but given the 'brands' within the FIAT portfolio, surely this should be a Jeep?


Commercial vehicle so the Fiat CV people will be in a much better position. Vat, towing, axle ratios, while life costs, fleet customer relationships etc.

I agree it would sell better as a Jeep though.
Bob Sacamano

Giant wrote:
PR wrote:
It must be a Fiat Fullback - which appears to be a rebadged Mitsubishi L200.


Badge engineering one of the top selling models in the sector makes sense, but given the 'brands' within the FIAT portfolio, surely this should be a Jeep?


It's built in Thailand at a FIAT/Mitsubishi joint venture plant so it makes sense to put their own badge on it for some markets.
PG

It's been done before in the CV market. Wasn't the Vauxhaul / Opel Movano also a Renault and Citroen something or other?
Bob Sacamano

PG wrote:
It's been done before in the CV market. Wasn't the Vauxhaul / Opel Movano also a Renault and Citroen something or other?


The Renault Trafic is a JV between them, Nissan, and Opel and built by Vauxhall at Luton, alongside the Primastar and the Vivaro.
Roadsterstu

VW Crafter/Mercedes Sprinter is another.  There's been a few.
Giant

Roadsterstu wrote:
VW Crafter/Mercedes Sprinter is another. †There's been a few.


Would probably be easier to list the commercial vehicles that aren't joint ventures!

FIAT Doblo/Vauxhall Combo

FIAT Fiorano/Pug Bipper/Citroen Nemo

FIAT Scudo/Pug Expert/Citroen Dispatch/Toyota Hiace

The only company that comes to mind that don't do it is Ford.

Perhaps this is why BMW have never got into vans, they don't generally do joint ventures, even Mercs vans are rebadged Renaults these days.

Pickups seem to be the latest niche that everyone is diving into, rebadging established models, presumably more distinct models as full JVs will be the next generation.

Along with this FIAT, Renault and Mercedes are about to launch their versions of the Nissan Navara and Mazda have a version of the Ford Ranger which may not be on sale here.
Humphrey The Pug

Bob Sacamano wrote:
PG wrote:
It's been done before in the CV market. Wasn't the Vauxhaul / Opel Movano also a Renault and Citroen something or other?


The Renault Trafic is a JV between them, Nissan, and Opel and built by Vauxhall at Luton, alongside the Primastar and the Vivaro.


The Trafic and NV300 (Primastar) are built in Sandouville now, the Vivaro is still built in Luton.

Giant wrote:
Along with this FIAT, Renault and Mercedes are about to launch their versions of the Nissan Navara and Mazda have a version of the Ford Ranger which may not be on sale here.


It's all gone a bit quiet on the Renault front with regards to the pick up (in the UK at least) when our area guy was questioned about it he wasn't so confident that it was happening.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Michael wrote:
It's not a Mitsubishi and it's not Chinese.

Technically it is a Mitsubishi - from the AE link, they build it and just stick some parts with FIAT badges on instead of the "usual" ones during the build process.  Even the wheels are identical (apart from the centre badges) to those on a Mitsi photo that I have subsequently googled.
What lows have FIAT sunk to with this monstrosity though?
Bob Sacamano

Giant wrote:


Perhaps this is why BMW have never got into vans, they don't generally do joint ventures, even Mercs vans are rebadged Renaults these days.

.


http://blog.caranddriver.com/toyo...ra-and-bmw-z5-everything-we-know/

Toyota and BMW also have a link where BMW give Toyota diesel engines and they get Toyota's proven hybrid technology in return.
Tim

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
What lows have FIAT sunk to with this monstrosity though?


As a FIAT apologist I think that's harsh and unfair Chris!  

They're doing the same as everyone else in the industry.
PG

Bob Sacamano wrote:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/toyo...ra-and-bmw-z5-everything-we-know/

Toyota and BMW also have a link where BMW give Toyota diesel engines and they get Toyota's proven hybrid technology in return.


They kept that pretty quiet re the next Z4 / Z5 and the Supra being a JV.
Frank Bullitt

Giant wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
VW Crafter/Mercedes Sprinter is another. †There's been a few.


Would probably be easier to list the commercial vehicles that aren't joint ventures!

FIAT Doblo/Vauxhall Combo

FIAT Fiorano/Pug Bipper/Citroen Nemo

FIAT Scudo/Pug Expert/Citroen Dispatch/Toyota Hiace

The only company that comes to mind that don't do it is Ford.

Perhaps this is why BMW have never got into vans, they don't generally do joint ventures, even Mercs vans are rebadged Renaults these days.

Pickups seem to be the latest niche that everyone is diving into, rebadging established models, presumably more distinct models as full JVs will be the next generation.

Along with this FIAT, Renault and Mercedes are about to launch their versions of the Nissan Navara and Mazda have a version of the Ford Ranger which may not be on sale here.


You can add the Peugeot Boxer, CitroŽn Relay and Fiat Ducato to the list which is probably the grand-daddy of cross-manufacturer badge engineering with the first 'Sevel' vans dating from the beginning of the 80's, the same relationship created the CitroŽn Synergy (Evasion), Peugeot 806, Fiat Ulysse and Lancia (Theta?)
Giant

I could've added more but got bored, but yes, FIAT badge engineering/JV commercial vans is nothing new.

The Synergy/Ulysee/806 were just 'van with Windows' versions of the Scudo/Dispatch/Expert weren't they?
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Giant wrote:
The Synergy/Ulysee/806 were just 'van with Windows' versions of the Scudo/Dispatch/Expert weren't they?

Not sure, but it could be the other way around..... the MPV came first, and the van followed as an after-thought.  Semi-interesting that Ford/VW never did a van version of the Sharalaxy
Frank Bullitt

Giant wrote:
I could've added more but got bored, but yes, FIAT badge engineering/JV commercial vans is nothing new.

The Synergy/Ulysee/806 were just 'van with Windows' versions of the Scudo/Dispatch/Expert weren't they?


No, they were floor-up MPV's that weren't based on vans
Giant

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Giant wrote:
I could've added more but got bored, but yes, FIAT badge engineering/JV commercial vans is nothing new.

The Synergy/Ulysee/806 were just 'van with Windows' versions of the Scudo/Dispatch/Expert weren't they?


No, they were floor-up MPV's that weren't based on vans


I had an Expert as a works van for a while, my BIL had a Synergy, they were certainly closely related, identical interiors, engine bay etc. I don't think I've ever questioned your francovoiture knowledge before, but think you may be wrong on this one:

'The Eurovans are a family of large MPVs from the CitroŽn, Peugeot, Fiat and Lancia marques that were produced at the jointly-owned Sevel Nord factory in France. Eurovans differ little technically and visually, being a prime example of badge engineering. They share mechanicals and body structure with the Sevel Nord light commercial vans, the CitroŽn Jumpy (Dispatch), Fiat Scudo and Peugeot Expert.'
Frank Bullitt

They clearly do, I knew they shared plenty of common parts (mechanicals being obvious) but didn't realise how closely related they are. Every day is a school day, and I'm not too bothered, as they aren't French 😉
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Giant wrote:
'The Eurovans are a family of large MPVs from the CitroŽn, Peugeot, Fiat and Lancia marques that were produced at the jointly-owned Sevel Nord factory in France.'


Ah yes..... there was a "Luncher" version too, which we didn't get in the UK as Lancia had pulled out due (IIRC) to the rusting Beta saga, but now you mention it I do recall seeing a few in France when on family holidays many moons ago
Grampa

Bob Sacamano wrote:
On a slightly different tack; I'm seeing loads of TV adverts for the new Renault Megane - it looks quite good but I've yet to see one on the road.


One on the road right at the end of this video - I don't suppose the driver was best pleased to get his new car damaged so!

https://www.facebook.com/YahooUK/videos/1291199937580801/?pnref=story
PhilD

Blarno wrote:
I think I saw one the other day. I can't be sure though, could have been any other hatchback.


The Megane is pretty distinctive and clearly part of the Renault family so you would recognise it. I have though only seen one and that was parked outside my local journos place so doesn't really count!

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