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Michael

M140 and M240i

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...-and-m240i-and-iperformance-range

Michael

Shame they haven't updated the rather unattractive wheels.
Blarno

Their naming strategy is getting more and more tenuous.
Michael

I agree, how the 2 series is a coupe and MPV is beyond me.
Bob Sacamano

I think the only base they haven't covered is the 2-series backhoe loader.
Racing Teatray

Michael wrote:
Shame they haven't updated the rather unattractive wheels.


completely agree. I got used to them but have never really liked them.
Twelfth Monkey

That's a boring-looking car, doubly so for its performance potential.
gonnabuildabuggy

Racing -did you have a 335i too? How would you compare the 3 to the 1?
Racing Teatray

No I didn't.
Andy C

Piers' next car is sorted then
PG

Blarno wrote:
Their naming strategy is getting more and more tenuous.


Yes I see that even the x30's are now 4-pots, as they replace the x28 nomenclature.

People will have to talk about "proper" 130i's (6 pot) to differentiate them.
Michael

The latter numbers simply give a nod towards power. BMW are, thankfully moving with the times.
Large capacity engines are a thing of the past so with turbos, hybrids and modular engine blocks it would be idiotic to have the majority of models being a 120d.
gonnabuildabuggy

Are the 330d's etc 4 or 6 pots?
Blarno

PG wrote:
Blarno wrote:
Their naming strategy is getting more and more tenuous.


Yes I see that even the x30's are now 4-pots, as they replace the x28 nomenclature.

People will have to talk about "proper" 130i's (6 pot) to differentiate them.


I was also referring to names like 740Le xDrive and X5 xDrive40e. One of my pet hates is lower case letters at the beginning of a name.

I gave up wondering what engine was what a long time ago where BMW and Mercedes are concerned. The badges have made no sense for some time now.
Martin

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Are the 330d's etc 4 or 6 pots?


A 330d is a 6 pot, the 330i is a 4 pot.

Makes perfect sense......

Well, they're close on power (slightly more in the 330d) so I guess it does and I'm not sure how else they could differentiate between the same engine with different outputs.  I'm sure it makes people who care about 1 upmanship happy as well.
Andy C

I wonder if the 340i will get the power upgrade?
Frank Bullitt

Why make it a 140? Seems odd when the 135 nomenclature is understood, what comes next - the 145...150...155 - seems BMW are painting themselves in to a corner.
simonp

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Seems odd when the 135 nomenclature is understood


Is it? Surely 130ti would be better?
JohnC

Andy C wrote:
I wonder if the 340i will get the power upgrade?


I though it got the power upgrade when it went from 335i to 340i and got the new engine.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Why make it a 140? Seems odd when the 135 nomenclature is understood, what comes next - the 145...150...155 - seems BMW are painting themselves in to a corner.

Recycling old Volvo model names???
Martin

JohnC wrote:
Andy C wrote:
I wonder if the 340i will get the power upgrade?


I though it got the power upgrade when it went from 335i to 340i and got the new engine.


It did get more power (+20hp) but not quite as much as these have.
Sav

It is disappointing that there is no new wheel design or a broader choice of colours. But BMW need to be congratulated for offering a 335 bhp straight six for a little over 31K in this day and age of engine downsizing. When one can still have a petrol six in a compact body, I donít care what itís called, the tweaked powertrain sounds awesome. Iím surprised the torque rises to 369 lb ft, thatís more than the M2ís maximum torque.

BMW started this differing output of their non-M straight six with the N55, with the standard 35i models getting lesser outputs compared to the M Performance range. That continues with this new B58 unit.

If I were interested in an M240i, I would wait for the LCI model. That might bring a new wheel design and hopefully new colours. The old 135i eventually got the lovely Carbon Black, but at a very stage with the Plus versions. Címon BMW, Tanzanite Blue please, and soonerÖ
Alf McQueef

BMW should definitely be congratulated for keeping a big 6-pot petrol engine in a small car, at a time when even Porsche are going for blown 4-pots in very expensive, dedicated sports-cars. It does look a bit plain though, for £40k (especially assuming a big % of the small number of people that buy these will be private buyers) I'd want it to stand out a bit more personally. As people have said, the wheels don't help much.
Big Blue

Alf McQueef wrote:
BMW should definitely be congratulated for keeping a big 6-pot petrol engine in a small car.


+1
Sav

Whilst the 436 wheel design for the M Performance 1 Series and 2 Series might not be the nicest design, I like the fact that is unique to both cars. That compares to other 40 and 35 wheels that can be had on a 318D or 518D. I love the 403 style wheels on the F30, but they lose their specialness when one sees them on lesser models.
PR

I'm not mad keen on the wheel design either, although mine looks much better with the combo of silver paint and grey wheels than silver and silver on its winters. I think the 4-cyl M Sports now have a grey wheel option that looks nicer than the M135i ones.

Personally I also appreciate the slightly plain Jane looks - quiet performance is a good thing in my book.
Martin

PR wrote:
Personally I also appreciate the slightly plain Jane looks - quiet performance is a good thing in my book.


I agree, especially on your daily driver.
Roadsterstu

PR wrote:
I'm not mad keen on the wheel design either, although mine looks much better with the combo of silver paint and grey wheels than silver and silver on its winters. I think the 4-cyl M Sports now have a grey wheel option that looks nicer than the M135i ones.

Personally I also appreciate the slightly plain Jane looks - quiet performance is a good thing in my book.


Quiet performance is always good. I'm astounded by the 0-60 times of the 140i/240i.
Andy C

Agree ^ I'd have mine de badged
simonp

Did BMW UK ever do the 4WD versions?
Racing Teatray

Only on the 120d for some reason.
simonp

Shame. I reckon they could pinch a few Audi, Merc and VW sales if they did an x-drive 140+ with a few extra ponies slid under the bonnet. They could probably undercut the price of the A45 and RS3 at the same time.
JohnC

The 335i and 435i could also be had with 4WD in Europe and USA but not in the UK. It might have been a packaging thing but I reckon it would also be a very attractive option when compared against an S4 or S5 and it would definitely have the economy advantage.

As a 4WD I could well have chosen a 435i instead of the 435D but having been stuck a few times (admittedly far fewer times than my neighbours) when the snow fell, with the steepish 1/2 mile from my house, I wanted 4WD if possible.
Alf McQueef

Roadsterstu wrote:
I'm astounded by the 0-60 times of the 140i/240i.


0-60 times are becoming ever less relevant, and even less indicative of actual performance that they used to be. For a few years now car makers have been honing transmissions, launch control, and (in the case of serious tackle) working with tyre makers so bring the times tumbling down. The gains are almost all in the 0-120 space though, with some gains in shift time too. It's a shame figures like 30-70 times through the gears are not that widely published - well done Autocar for doing this! I'm not sure what figure I'd want the most personally, something like a 50-100 time through the gears would probably be most handy...
PhilD

Alf McQueef wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
I'm astounded by the 0-60 times of the 140i/240i.


0-60 times are becoming ever less relevant, and even less indicative of actual performance that they used to be.


Maybe but when I saw a 911 turbo time in the 2s recently I did think "f*ck me!"
Roadsterstu

PhilD wrote:
Alf McQueef wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
I'm astounded by the 0-60 times of the 140i/240i.


0-60 times are becoming ever less relevant, and even less indicative of actual performance that they used to be.


Maybe but when I saw a 911 turbo time in the 2s recently I did think "f*ck me!"


Of course. But they still give an easy indicator of the amount of poke available.
Scouse

Alf McQueef wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
I'm astounded by the 0-60 times of the 140i/240i.


0-60 times are becoming ever less relevant, and even less indicative of actual performance that they used to be. For a few years now car makers have been honing transmissions, launch control, and (in the case of serious tackle) working with tyre makers so bring the times tumbling down. The gains are almost all in the 0-120 space though, with some gains in shift time too. It's a shame figures like 30-70 times through the gears are not that widely published - well done Autocar for doing this! I'm not sure what figure I'd want the most personally, something like a 50-100 time through the gears would probably be most handy...


But aren't the 30-70 times that are published carried out during the same runs that record the 0-60 and 0-100 times - hardly the same as accelerating from a steady 30 mph to overtake something.
But again if that became the norm, you could guarantee that the manufacturers would have  'sport' map that gave full throttle at 50% pedal travel.
I think evo's Time Exposed to Danger runs are an ideal measure of performance.
Nelson

You're not seriously telling me that pic at the top of this thread is the range topper 240i are you?...and the rest are just as bad. That's laughable, stealth performance Q-car if ever there was one these days. Looks like a 216d. That's dreadfully styled for a mid £30k car.

John Prescott has more sportiness than that.

240i......I'm laughing my head off here

Engine, yes, styling...go fuck yourself BMW
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

The nomenclature is irrelevant when you consider what a bargain the hatch is.
Sav

The M140i and M240i appear to have new colours. At last you can have both cars in darker shade of blue; Mediterranean Blue for the M140i and Deep Sea Blue for the M240i. Midnight Blue is available as well, but an M240i in Deep Sea Blue will look lovely.

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