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Nelson

Last Christmas

Sad news to end a dreadful 2016...

George Michael has died aged 53
simonp

And Rick Parfitt...
BeN

The list of 2016 victims just never ends.
gooner

To be fair, given his lifestyle, it's amazing Rick Parfitt got to 2016 in the first place.

It's sad to see them both passing away though, 2016 has been a cruel year for celeb deaths.
Racing Teatray

2016 has been a dreadful year. I will for one dance on its grave at midnight on Saturday, assuming we all get there...

Of course we should be careful what we wish for...I am not wholly convinced 2017 will be better...
Frank Bullitt

Last Christmas seems to have battered to death this year more than any other, I'm wondering if those in Meed-ya were expecting this - sad news though, a genuine talent.

Personally 2016 has been a great year but for many reasons it's the year to forget on the national and international stages.
Humphrey The Pug

Last Christmas was playing on my Spotify as the announcement of his death flagged up in my phone.

2016 does seem to have been a "bumper" year for celeb deaths and there are still a few around who are getting on a bit that if haven't gone in the next few days it wouldnt be a surprise if they went in 2017; Brucie, Kirk Douglas, Nicholas Parsons, the Queen has been ill and uncharacteristically missed a couple of things this year, Michael Schumacher.
Boxer6

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Last Christmas was playing on my Spotify as the announcement of his death flagged up in my phone.

2016 does seem to have been a "bumper" year for celeb deaths and there are still a few around who are getting on a bit that if haven't gone in the next few days it wouldnt be a surprise if they went in 2017; Brucie, Kirk Douglas, Nicholas Parsons, the Queen has been ill and uncharacteristically missed a couple of things this year, Michael Schumacher.


I'd add any/all of the Stones to that list, McCartney too. And, while I'm convinced SurCliff has an oil portrait in an attic somewhere, he must be getting on a bit as well . . .
Giant

I read a theory that 'celebrities' (superstar pop acts, film stars etc ) became prevalent in the mid sixties i.e. 50 years ago. Given most were in their 20s and 30s , its unsurprising they are now moving on and this may be the new normal rate of celebrity deaths from here on in.
simonp

Seems very plausible. We have more media outlets now than ever before, whereas in the 20's they only really had theatre and the wireless. We now have people who are famous for having a youtube account!
Frank Bullitt

Giant wrote:
I read a theory that 'celebrities' (superstar pop acts, film stars etc ) became prevalent in the mid sixties i.e. 50 years ago. Given most were in their 20s and 30s , its unsurprising they are now moving on and this may be the new normal rate of celebrity deaths from here on in.


It's this exactly - the explosion of superstars and fandom as a result of 60's popular culture who are all getting to a certain age especially with an often lively lifestyle.
gooner

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Giant wrote:
I read a theory that 'celebrities' (superstar pop acts, film stars etc ) became prevalent in the mid sixties i.e. 50 years ago. Given most were in their 20s and 30s , its unsurprising they are now moving on and this may be the new normal rate of celebrity deaths from here on in.


It's this exactly - the explosion of superstars and fandom as a result of 60's popular culture who are all getting to a certain age especially with an often lively lifestyle.


You've also got a lot from the 80's and 90's reaching middle age which explains the number who are in their 50's or early 60's and dying from cancer.
Big Blue

Blimey we've turned celeb deaths into a statistical debate. Only here

Not sure Yog's lifestyle was geared towards longevity and for all their old-time hedonism the Stones have a medical routine like the Royals have so long-life is costly but expected. Macca has led a pretty healthy life since Linda arrived (and left) and a lot of 80s stars are more awake to mid-life issues.

For me, since my dad died, an immortal being in my own life, I have spent far more time worrying about life and death. It happens to us all so let's live it up when we can.
Twelfth Monkey

2016 has been the year of the premature celeb death, it seems.
Big Blue

Right. Time has passed and we've had another couple of celeb deaths since so here goes:

On the 24th did he tell his lover to Wake me up before you go-go to lunch? He wasn't planning on going solo.

All that heroin business; he knew some real Bad Boys.

He'll be ok at the pearly gates: we all know he had Faith.

Finally I guess when it came down to the choice, the Monkey won.....
Humphrey The Pug

Why did George Michael have a chocolate bar up his arse?

He was careless with his Wispa!
simonp

Giant wrote:
I read a theory that 'celebrities' (superstar pop acts, film stars etc ) became prevalent in the mid sixties i.e. 50 years ago. Given most were in their 20s and 30s , its unsurprising they are now moving on and this may be the new normal rate of celebrity deaths from here on in.


The Independent appear to have arrived at the same conclusion many days later...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voic...y-deaths-eventually-a7498876.html
Grampa

simonp wrote:
Giant wrote:
I read a theory that 'celebrities' (superstar pop acts, film stars etc ) became prevalent in the mid sixties i.e. 50 years ago. Given most were in their 20s and 30s , its unsurprising they are now moving on and this may be the new normal rate of celebrity deaths from here on in.


The Independent appear to have arrived at the same conclusion many days later...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voic...y-deaths-eventually-a7498876.html


Indeed - whilst many have died young, quite a few of the 2016 celebrities who've died could be considered to have 'had a good innings' and a few more to have lived an average age span.
gonnabuildabuggy

Stolen from Facebook.

Last Christmas I gave you my heart.....



This year other organs are available.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Came across this last night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgFj49idg8
simonp

One of Bronski Beat died in December, too, but I only heard about it the other day.
Michael

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Stolen from Facebook.

Last Christmas I gave you my heart.....

This year other organs are available.


They wouldn't be, as a sexually active gay man he would have been disqualified from organ donation.
Twelfth Monkey

Michael

Harsh.
Twelfth Monkey

Just pulling your leg.  To paraphrase, there's nothing that kills a beautiful joke like an ugly fact.
Michael

Sometimes ugly facts need awareness in order that to build a movement to have them reviewed. Every little helps.
Twelfth Monkey

Given that it was a throwaway joke about the heart being an organ and that humans have others, I can't see that's particularly pertinent.  Seems to me that focussing on his sexuality (and therefore on the diseases that tend to be associated with the same) is a greater negative.
Michael

Gay men are discriminated against when it comes to organ donation. Clearly a fact you're not aware about, job done.  
Assuming it was a negative comment because he was gay is as stupid as it was wrong.
Were I Stonewall or another activist group I might be tempted to utilise the above joke then alter the punchline with the fact in order to highlight this issue.
PhilD

Michael wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Stolen from Facebook.

Last Christmas I gave you my heart.....

This year other organs are available.


They wouldn't be, as a sexually active gay man he would have been disqualified from organ donation.


I could see this being delivered by a stand up as a joke! (Kind of a meta joke if you like)  And raising an important issue. Good work Michael! and boo-hiss 12th  
Twelfth Monkey

Michael wrote:
Gay men are discriminated against when it comes to organ donation. Clearly a fact you're not aware about, job done.  
Assuming it was a negative comment because he was gay is as stupid as it was wrong.
Were I Stonewall or another activist group I might be tempted to utilise the above joke then alter the punchline with the fact in order to highlight this issue.


Ah, I had misunderstood entirely.  'Stupid' could also be described as 'harsh', as I wasn't assuming anything prejudicial on your part, merely that I thought that you were taking the joke seriously.  Is all.
Blarno

But more importantly, did he let the sun go down on him?
Roadsterstu

There is microaggression going on here. And it is not acceptable.
gonnabuildabuggy

Blarno wrote:
But more importantly, did he let the sun go down on him?


As opposed to Elton John?
Blarno

I can neither confirm or deny whether or not Elton John went down on him.

Or if Elton John went down on the sun, or even vice versa.

I'm confused now.
Stuntman

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Michael wrote:
Gay men are discriminated against when it comes to organ donation. Clearly a fact you're not aware about, job done.  
Assuming it was a negative comment because he was gay is as stupid as it was wrong.
Were I Stonewall or another activist group I might be tempted to utilise the above joke then alter the punchline with the fact in order to highlight this issue.


Ah, I had misunderstood entirely.  'Stupid' could also be described as 'harsh', as I wasn't assuming anything prejudicial on your part, merely that I thought that you were taking the joke seriously.  Is all.


I think this is a case of two nice human beings talking at slightly cross purposes.   And I certainly wasn't aware that gay people's organs were not currently accepted for donation, so the still-funny-to-me joke and subsequent thread has raised my awareness and knowledge.  
Racing Teatray

There are strict restrictions on gay men donating blood too. I think they can't do it unless they have refrained from homosexual sex for at least 12 months. A rule that obviously doesn't apply to straight people or indeed lesbians.

In 2017.
Michael

Roadsterstu wrote:
There is microaggression going on here. And it is not acceptable.


I googled that but I can't find the track.
Tim

It's on the album he was working on in December, it'll get released in 6 months.....
the other ct

There are no specific rules which stop gay men joining the NHS organ donor register or donating organs/tissues.

There are rules for blood donors as Racing pointed out, however, I would argue that they are there for the safety of donated blood and can be defended against claims of discrimination. This article explains it well - https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/gay-blood-ban-2
Michael

the other ct wrote:
There are no specific rules which stop gay men joining the NHS organ donor register or donating organs/tissues.

Which is why I said 'as a sexually active gay man'.
I've never read Vice news but I'll assume that was an off day for their otherwise quality journalism.
In London, over 80% on new HIV diagnosis were to foreign born people, banning foreigners isn't on the cards though. There are restrictions on people who've received tattoos (and skin donation is a nightmare thanks to their popularity) and particularly if these have been done overseas - I think there is a limit of 6 months there.
Twelfth Monkey

Roadsterstu wrote:
There is microaggression going on here. And it is not acceptable.


Who do you think you are, the forum poli...

Erm.  Fair cop, guv.  All is cool.


I take it that a lot of these rules are heavily dependent upon honest self-disclosure?  That's hardly encouraged by their prejudicial nature.
Bob Sacamano

On a related note; I've been a blood donor since I was 21, giving my 0.5L of A neg Chateau neuf de Bob (a quality drop it has to be said) every six months for 25 years but a few years ago I stopped getting the letters to attend. Have they got it all? Have my home made prison tattoos disqualified me?
Anyway I've chased the NHS Blood Donor hotline and they just told me the invitation to donate is based on demand so if I haven't got a letter they don't need my blood. I thought they were short of donors? There's a small part of me that thinks this is discriminatory and they are trying to limit the amount of Geordie circulating in the general population.
PhilD

It does sound like they are letting you down gently.
Blarno

Never knew about the tattoo thing. Oh well, no one is getting my skin or organs when I cark it then.
Michael

Your organs will still be of use (subject to time frame of last tattoo) but the tattooed skin would be of no value.
Bob Sacamano

Michael wrote:
Your organs will still be of use (subject to time frame of last tattoo) but the tattooed skin would be of no value.


I would imagine it would be quite difficult to match up. Like a jigsaw.
Blarno

There's only really my arse and upper legs available anyway.
Tim

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Michael wrote:
Your organs will still be of use (subject to time frame of last tattoo) but the tattooed skin would be of no value.


I would imagine it would be quite difficult to match up. Like a jigsaw.


It could make quite an eye-catching lampshade.
Blarno

Or a jacket.
Frank Bullitt

Bob Sacamano wrote:
There's a small part of me that thinks this is discriminatory and they are trying to limit the amount of Geordie circulating in the general population.


Don't worry Bob, I'm sure over the years you've been using other ways to ensure there is a little bit of Geordie in most of the population  
Bob Sacamano

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
There's a small part of me that thinks this is discriminatory and they are trying to limit the amount of Geordie circulating in the general population.


Don't worry Bob, I'm sure over the years you've been using other ways to ensure there is a little bit of Geordie in most of the population  


A very little bit...
Boxer6

Michael wrote:
 There are restrictions on people who've received tattoos (and skin donation is a nightmare thanks to their popularity) and particularly if these have been done overseas - I think there is a limit of 6 months there.


I was told, many years ago admittedly, I would have to wait for a period of minimum 12 months before I could donate again; I might go on their website later and have a look.

Immaterial for me anyway, as you cannot donate after having received any form of chemotherapy - your donating days are then over! At least I got my 50-pint badge!
simonp

I see John Hurt has become the first biggie of 2017.
Boxer6

simonp wrote:
I see John Hurt has become the first biggie of 2017.


Well, after Mary Tyler Moore perhaps so!!  
Big Blue

Yeah I reckon MTM was a bigger name. Even though I look just like Buddy Holly.....
Blarno

I see what you did there.
Michael

I don't care bout that.

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