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Humphrey The Pug

Kadjar

So last week I was at Millbrook for the launch of the Kadjar.

Renault are very excited about this and rightly so I think, the reviews so far have been very positive, with some magazines proclaiming the Kadjar as the best large crossover currently available.

The Kadjar is fantastic to look at, great to drive; not really exciting but very competent, very refined and feels a step above in the market where it is competing, very sure footed and there is minimal body roll.

The 1.5 dCi will be the best seller and rightly so, it is extremely refined, pulls well and is more than enough for the car.

The car is very well put together with some nice touches of leather on the door pulls and central front grab handle, it is definately the best put together Renault and a definate step up from what Renault have produced of late.

Equipment levels are high and the car is priced extremely well; 1000 less than the equivalant Kumquat and has a higher spec than the Kumquat too, model for model, this has really pissed off Nissan apparently.

We also drove the iX 35, which is really showing its age, the Sportage; same platform and engine as the Hyundai but was a better drive, Kuga; my god that has a very fussy dash and styling but is a good car and probably the best drive of the lot, Kumquat; very similar to the Kadjar, as you would expect, and probably would be my choice if the Kadjar didn't exist, Tiguan; looks old, feels old, very dull and the worst of the lot by far.

Renault have opened a new import centre in Bristol to just deal with Kadjar alone so they are expecting big things, they are expecting to register 3500 this year, 18000 next and 22000 the following year in the UK.

Renault are expecting this to be big, I think it will and they are perfectly justified in thinking it will be big too, they are proclaiming it as the best car Renault have ever made; a big statement when there are iconic cars such as Renault 16, Renault 5, Renault 4, Clio and Scenic in the fold.

Roll on end of august when we get ours.
Martin

I saw a few in France a couple of weeks ago and it does look very smart for that type of vehicle.  I hope you do well with it Humph.
Nice Guy Eddie

I sat in one in Goodwood and was pretty impressed, if what you say on price is correct then I'll be even more impressed but we know these are all bought on a monthly payment so will need to be pretty bold on RV's to take on Nissan.

Renault are clearly getting a bit carried away with themselves billing it as the best Renault ever but I'm sure it'll sell really well. Kind of makes you think why Renault didn't act quicker to this segment given their innovative nature in the past.
Humphrey The Pug

RV's are best in class; 43% IIRC after 3 years, however Renault have a habit of panicking come the end of a quarter and letting certain dealers buy up loads of central stock cars to pre register; this happened with Captur and doing this can affect residuals, having said that the residuals on Captur are still strong.

The PCP figures are very good.
PhilD

Re: Kadjar

Humphrey The Pug wrote:


Tiguan; looks old, feels old, very dull and the worst of the lot by far.



Yeah but it's German so it will be built properly and be reliable unlike French rubbish...

Not surprising that Renault are going OTT, they have some pretty entrenched views to change.
Frank Bullitt

I think to claim it is the best car Renault have ever made shows either how lacking in historical knowledge the fuckwit that came up with that is or how deluded they are; either way, it does look very appealing indeed.

I downloaded a brochure and some of the spec choices are slightly odd, not helped by the lack of options apart form on the Signature model, but overall I do like this.
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I think to claim it is the best car Renault have ever made shows either how lacking in historical knowledge the fuckwit that came up with that is or how deluded they are; either way, it does look very appealing indeed.


"best" can mean different things to different people, and anyway "4th best car we have ever made" is hardly advertising gold is it?  
Frank Bullitt

PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
I think to claim it is the best car Renault have ever made shows either how lacking in historical knowledge the fuckwit that came up with that is or how deluded they are; either way, it does look very appealing indeed.


"best" can mean different things to different people, and anyway "4th best car we have ever made" is hardly advertising gold is it?


Agreed, so my advice to Renault is don't write cheques they can't cash.

It reminds me of Murray Walkers response when asked who was the best person he'd ever worked with - apparently it was Jim Rosenthal. Obviously.
Humphrey The Pug

I think as the Kadjar stands it is probably the best car in that sector right now, but I wouldn't say it is the best car that Renault have ever produced, for a start it isn't particularly original.
Frank Bullitt

Indeed, the 4, 5 and 16 are three cars I would immediately identify and the original Clio really was, er, original - add the Mk1 Twingo and Dauphine onto the list.

Did I mention the Renault 9? No, good...
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Re: Kadjar

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Renault have opened a new import centre in Bristol to just deal with Kadjar alone so they are expecting big things, they are expecting to register 3500 this year, 18000 next and 22000 the following year in the UK.

Renault are expecting this to be big...

I just hope that they have geared the factory up to produce sufficient RHD models. With the wait for a new factory-order Captur EDC apparently still standing at around 5 to 6 months, over 2 years after launch (hope Humph can confirm or deny this) then many sales could be lost if the wait is similar for the Kadjar... and IMHO it comes in a pretty unappealing choice of colours, and no two-tones to match the Captur. What happened to the lovely saffron gold/yellow that used to be available on the Scenic, for example?
Frank Bullitt

You can get it in flame red which is, in my view, possibly the nicest car colour ever made. It's as rich, bright, deep and luscious as you'll ever want; the Mrs saw a pristine Clio in the colour at the weekend and nearly had a wobbly knee moment, and let me tell you, it takes something pretty impressive to create a wobbly knee moment...
simonp

The iX35 is about to be discontinued...
Humphrey The Pug

Captur EDC is now about three months, the issues in the last few months have been the change from E5 to E6 engines and factory ordering not being open.

Two tone won't work on Kadjar, it isn't that sort of car, it is a bit more grown up.

Saffron would look shit on it, the available colour pallette is sufficient, the best colour by a mile is Flame red, followed by Cosmos Blue.

The one downside is the key, it is cheap and nasty feeling and looking and also doesn't come with a key ring hole; studies show that the majority of people keep a car key seperate from their normal keys, it would have been better to still have the choice though.
Humphrey The Pug

simonp wrote:
The iX35 is about to be discontinued...


They did say that the iX35, Sportage and Tiguan were all due for repalcement soon.
PG

Does look god, but not really seen many shots of the interior yet.

Is it going to be cheaper than the Qashqai model for model?

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
The one downside is the key, it is cheap and nasty feeling and looking and also doesn't come with a key ring hole; studies show that the majority of people keep a car key seperate from their normal keys, it would have been better to still have the choice though.


In my view, cheap keys are a total no-no in anything but a cheap car. Like our Shogun key. OK for a farm workhorse, but if I'd just bought the 40k top of the range and got handed that, I'd give the car back.

We ought to do a poll re keys. We have house keys on each vehicle key ring. I kind of imagined that was normal?
simonp

Separate here, but I still have a key ring on the car key. Just reminded myself that it went to the scrap heap with the car!
Humphrey The Pug

PG wrote:
Is it going to be cheaper than the Qashqai model for model?


Yes, around 1k cheaper model for model and higher spec too, some where saying when the equipment level is taken into account it is almost 2k cheaper; Nissan are mightily pissed off apparently.

Renault France are pissed off too as it is similar money too a Kumquat over there.

To me it is bloody good value, there were of course the usual negative idiots on the course saying it was crap and "expensive for a Renault"; it is neither.

Interior is good, very well put together, quality materials and nicely laid out, the console in front of the driver is a very well laid out and clear TFT screen with a fair amount of customisation of colours and layout, lovely steering wheel too.
Bob Sacamano

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
PG wrote:
Is it going to be cheaper than the Qashqai model for model?


Yes, around 1k cheaper model for model and higher spec too, some where saying when the equipment level is taken into account it is almost 2k cheaper; Nissan are mightily pissed off apparently.

Renault France are pissed off too as it is similar money too a Kumquat over there.

To me it is bloody good value, there were of course the usual negative idiots on the course saying it was crap and "expensive for a Renault"; it is neither.

Interior is good, very well put together, quality materials and nicely laid out, the console in front of the driver is a very well laid out and clear TFT screen with a fair amount of customisation of colours and layout, lovely steering wheel too.


From what I've seen I'm not sure the price difference is that great but if it's true it shows an astonishing lack of faith in the car and the Renault brand that they feel they can't compete head to head with Nissan for what is ostensibly the same car.
Frank Bullitt

I don't agree it's that much cheaper than the Qashqai, for example the 1.5dCi Dynamique might be 400 cheaper than a Qashqai 1.5dCi Accenta and have some bits and bobs fitted but they forgot to put parking sensors on it (...really...?) which are a 400 extra, it also lacks the auto-dipping mirror and other bits. I think overall they are the same list and the Nissan currently has discounts of 12%, Renault 7-8% at the moment (both on Broadspeed). Not sure the Nissan has Nav but that doesn't really bother me.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Bob Sacamano wrote:
From what I've seen I'm not sure the price difference is that great but if it's true it shows an astonishing lack of faith in the car and the Renault brand that they feel they can't compete head to head with Nissan for what is ostensibly the same car.

... or that the Qashqai is significantly over-priced, possibly due to lack of competitors
Martin

I don't have a key ring, just the car key in a leather holder that Lindsay bought me.  The key stays in my pocket all the time, so ideally it, would be a bit smaller.  I've not had other keys with the car key for a long time, because they would rattle against each other or the dash.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Re: Kadjar

Humphrey The Pug wrote:

Renault have opened a new import centre in Bristol to just deal with Kadjar alone so they are expecting big things, they are expecting to register 3500 this year, 18000 next and 22000 the following year in the UK


I hope that distribution ("logistics") from Bristol will be a significant improvement from the fiasco that seems to have been drifting onwards for over a year at the current Southampton import centre.
Will Bristol also be fitting some of the accessories / extras offered in the UK, in a similar style to the centre at Southampton?
Bob Sacamano

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
From what I've seen I'm not sure the price difference is that great but if it's true it shows an astonishing lack of faith in the car and the Renault brand that they feel they can't compete head to head with Nissan for what is ostensibly the same car.

... or that the Qashqai is significantly over-priced, possibly due to lack of competitors


I refer you to Humph's first post: i35, Sportage, Tiguan, Kuga..

Then there's X1, Q3, CX5, XC60, Yeti, ASX, 2008, 3008, HR-V, SX-4, Duster, Antara.

So that dog don't hunt.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

From that list, perosnally I'd only view the i35 as a competitor to the Qashqai. For me, the othhers are significantly larger, lack style so ar not aimed at "lifestyle" purchasers, or are aimed at the cheapo or posher ends of the market
Bob Sacamano

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
From that list, perosnally I'd only view the i35 as a competitor to the Qashqai. For me, the othhers are significantly larger, lack style so ar not aimed at "lifestyle" purchasers, or are aimed at the cheapo or posher ends of the market


The comment was that there was a lack of competitors, which there demonstrably wasn't/isn't. The fact that, as you say, Nissan better positioned themselves within that competitive market is to their credit. The fact that Renault, despite positioning themselves in exactly the same part of the market, with an identical vehicle, feel they can only compete on price, not quality, reliability, brand equity, dealer service, etc, reflects the fall from grace that the brand has undergone.

I'm not sure the plan was for Renault to position themselves above Dacia and below Nissan.
Roadsterstu

Re: Kadjar

PhilD wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:


Tiguan; looks old, feels old, very dull and the worst of the lot by far.



Yeah but it wears a VW badge so people believe it will be built properly and be reliable just like an 80s Golf, unlike French rubbish...


FYP
Giant

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
From what I've seen I'm not sure the price difference is that great but if it's true it shows an astonishing lack of faith in the car and the Renault brand that they feel they can't compete head to head with Nissan for what is ostensibly the same car.

... or that the Qashqai is significantly over-priced, possibly due to lack of competitors


I refer you to Humph's first post: i35, Sportage, Tiguan, Kuga..

Then there's X1, Q3, CX5, XC60, Yeti, ASX, 2008, 3008, HR-V, SX-4, Duster, Antara.

So that dog don't hunt.


I hope you had to google that list and that these models don't occupy precious space in your brain! I had completely forgotten some of those exist, and am quite happy with that fact!

Claiming the Qashqai doesn't have any competitors is nonsensical, it must be the most densely populated area of the market these days, might as well claim the Focus doesn't have any competitors!
Bob Sacamano

Giant wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
From what I've seen I'm not sure the price difference is that great but if it's true it shows an astonishing lack of faith in the car and the Renault brand that they feel they can't compete head to head with Nissan for what is ostensibly the same car.

... or that the Qashqai is significantly over-priced, possibly due to lack of competitors


I refer you to Humph's first post: i35, Sportage, Tiguan, Kuga..

Then there's X1, Q3, CX5, XC60, Yeti, ASX, 2008, 3008, HR-V, SX-4, Duster, Antara.

So that dog don't hunt.


I hope you had to google that list and that these models don't occupy precious space in your brain! I had completely forgotten some of those exist, and am quite happy with that fact!

Claiming the Qashqai doesn't have any competitors is nonsensical, it must be the most densely populated area of the market these days, might as well claim the Focus doesn't have any competitors!


I'm no Martin and had to Google everything past CX5!
Martin

Didn't look at them all before deciding the Nissan was best for you?

I'd have used Google too, they're not cars I know very much about.
Bob Sacamano

The only ones we looked at were the Kuga and the Sportage and as it was my missus' car she just bought the one she liked driving most. I was only there as arm candy.
Martin

A role I'm sure you excelled at!
Humphrey The Pug

Must admit that I haven't personally checked the prices of the Kumquat, vs the Kadjar, I've only gone on what we were told.

It'll go up in price next year anyway; as both the Clio and Captur did after 6m or so.

Also if anyone is wondering it is not pronounced Kad-jar; as we all though it was before the training, it is Ka-djar.
Bob Sacamano

I think it'll always be the Renault Gadgee
boc70

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I think it'll always be the Renault Gadgee


If you're from certain parts of the north (I grew up in Cumbria), this'll be the case.
Giant

It's the Renault Badger to me.
Frank Bullitt

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Must admit that I haven't personally checked the prices of the Kumquat, vs the Kadjar, I've only gone on what we were told.

It'll go up in price next year anyway; as both the Clio and Captur did after 6m or so.

Also if anyone is wondering it is not pronounced Kad-jar; as we all though it was before the training, it is Ka-djar.


I can't work out the difference - I have it down as Kadj-er as in 'to kadj' or 'to theive'
Racing Teatray

So the best-ever Renault is a re-hashed Qashqai??
Martin

It's a Codger to me

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