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Twelfth Monkey

I know that there are those who don't like Ron Dennis...

...but I'm certainly with him on this one...

http://www.pitpass.com/54260/Dennis-calls-Eddie-Jordan-a-village-idiot
PhilD

Martin

He's spot on!  
gooner

Martin wrote:
He's spot on!  


Trouble is, in this instance I think both may be. The Renault engine in the Red Bull is off the pace too but the car is not languishing at the back of the field. It's not like they've not got a decent driver line up either.
PhilD

Ron standing next to Eddie here

Chris M Wanted a V-10

I'm with EJ on this one..... what happened to the days when McLaren were almost guaranteed to win every GP?  They used to be nick-named "Team Perfect"
Twelfth Monkey

You're a bit slow noticing them go, Chris.  88-89 and 98-99, though even this last purple patch was spoiled by Schumacher.  I know they've won since then, but never dominated in that way.

Amazing how far they've fallen, though.
Big Blue

*cough*

Williams no better before they got Mercedes engine

*cough*
Chris M Wanted a V-10

.... and McLaren had the Merc engine up until not-that-many-months-ago !
Twelfth Monkey

I'm still amused that a motormouth like Jordan could suggest anyone else to be arrogant.  Still, he talks about the drivers having big egos, so the notion of pots/kettles is clearly lost on him...
DetmoldDick

Hard to find fault in anything E-J said there.
Bob Sacamano

Eddie Jordan is probably right and, to be fair, as a former team owner he's walked the walk and is qualified to comment.
PhilD

DetmoldDick wrote:
Hard to find fault in anything E-J said there.


Is it not possible to make cars and race?
Twelfth Monkey

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Eddie Jordan is probably right and, to be fair, as a former team owner he's walked the walk and is qualified to comment.


Not so sure about that.  I'm always wary of those who participate but never do brilliantly criticising those who have achieved at the highest level.  I'm trying to be impartial and even-handed here.  I cannot abide Jordan, I'll admit that freely.
Bob Sacamano

4 race victories and 19 podiums - there are teams competing today that would give up their first borns for that level of success.
Humphrey The Pug

I actually like Eddie Jordan, yes he comes across as a bit of a knob sometimes and he can be annoying, however he is rarely wrong, he isn't afraid to ask questions and he is respected within the paddock; apart from by Ron Dennis of course!
Twelfth Monkey

Bob Sacamano wrote:
4 race victories and 19 podiums - there are teams competing today that would give up their first borns for that level of success.


Four wins (at least one of which was a complete fluke) in 14 seasons might appeal to the likes of (what are they called now?) Manor, but I can't say I find it that impressive.
PhilD

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I actually like Eddie Jordan, yes he comes across as a bit of a knob sometimes and he can be annoying, however he is rarely wrong, he isn't afraid to ask questions and he is respected within the paddock; apart from by Ron Dennis of course!


He's a presenter/pundit who can't string a coherent sentence together, and I'm not sure how you can tell if he is wrong or not if you can't understand a word he says?!  
DetmoldDick

PhilD wrote:
DetmoldDick wrote:
Hard to find fault in anything E-J said there.


Is it not possible to make cars and race?


The red cars don't seem to be able to manage it.
Big Blue

Ahem. The red cars are the model Ron so wants to emulate, with high value, high reputation road cars and a global sporting following unrivalled (maybe Porsche in sports cars).

With a race win and best of the rest thus year thus far, the red cars are not doing badly fir a bunch of disorganised Latinos.
DetmoldDick

Their last drivers champion was 2008 and construtors championship 2007.
My tongue was firmly in cheek when I wrote the above comment though.
gooner

Big Blue wrote:
Ahem. The red cars are the model Ron so wants to emulate, with high value, high reputation road cars and a global sporting following unrivalled (maybe Porsche in sports cars).

With a race win and best of the rest thus year thus far, the red cars are not doing badly fir a bunch of disorganised Latinos.


A good third place at Silverstone too. They read the changing conditions well and had a driver able to capitalise on the drop off in performance at Williams.

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