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Twelfth Monkey

How fast is the 488?

Fucking fast, it seems.

The 488 Looks almost as fast in the real world (a place that none really inhabits, I know) as the Veyron SuperSport, P1 and the iconic F1. Makes me wonder how fast cars will actually become, and WTF we can actually call them. What comes after Hypercar?

In fact if it wasnt for the (comparative) shortness of gearing, Id be wondering whether Ferrari had supplied a fettled example. 2nd in the 488 is nigh on identical to 1st in the F1 and SS. 5th is closest to their 3rd. 7th is just over 5th in the SS and halfway between 5th and 6th for the F1. The P1 and 488 have similar gear ratios when comparing them respectively from 3rd/4th, 4th/5th, 5th/6th etc basically the 488 crams an extra gear into the space the P1 uses its first two for. (EDIT: Based upon top speed in a given gear, not 'ratio' proper).

Figures are for SS, P1, 488 and F1(where available) in that order, all as tested:

Power/weight: 592 / 487 / 425 / 551.
Torque/weight: 554 / 355 / 360 / 421.

0-30: 1.4 / 1.4 / 1.6 / 1.8
0-40: 1.8 / 1.9 / 2.0 / -
0-50: 2.2 / 2.4 / 2.6 / -
0-60: 2.6 / 2.8 / 3.0 / 3.2
0-100: 5.0 / 5.2 / 5.9 / 6.3
0-120: 6.6 / 6.9 / 8.6 / -
0-150: 10.2 / 10.6 / 13.3 / 12.8
0-170 (highest for 488): 13.7 / 14.9 / 18.6 / -

Standing quarter, terminal speed in brackets:
10.1 (147.9) / 10.2 (147.5) / 10.9 (136.9) / 11.1 (138).

Standing km, terminal speed in brackets:
18.0 (183.4) / 18.2 (178.5) / 19.4 (172.4) / 19.6 (177).

The real noggin-scratchers for me are the fastest in- and through-gear times that any can produce in real-world speeds, asterisk indicates figures from CAR, Dec 95):

30-70 through:
1.7 / 2.0 / 2.0 / 2.1.

30-50 fastest in gear:
1.5 / 1.1 / 1.1 / 1.4*     (F1 LM 1.2*)

50-70 fastest in gear:
1.0 / 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.3*     (F1 LM 1.2*)

70-90 ditto:
1.1 / 1.2 / 1.6 / 1.6*     (F1 LM 1.2* - spooky, eh?)

90-110 ditto:
1.4 / 1.7 / 2.1 / 1.6*     (F1 LM 1.6*)  

Its only when you get up to genuinely silly speeds that the SS will well and truly muller the 488.

110-130 it needs 1.9, the 488 an additional second. (P1 1.9, F1 2.2*).
140-160 it needs 2.1 to the 488s 4 flat. (P1 and F1*, 3.2).

Not desperately relevant subjectively, though that misses the point as far as those who can afford these things think, I suspect.

I had a lot of time on my hands today!
Michael

I'd be genuinely impressed if you posted that from your phone.
Twelfth Monkey

Not quite!
simonp

Your watch?
gooner

Such figures just seem mind boggling. It's almost difficult to imagine what it feels like to accelerate at such speeds or when it would be possible to safely do so on a public road.

We also need to determine how such speed compares to our metaphorical standards. Is it as fast as shit off a shovel or a rat up a drainpipe?
Andy C

The in gear stats are outrageous

I still want to hear one being gunned in real life and not on tv
Blarno

Not like Ferrari to send a tweaked example to a test now, is it?
Alf McQueef

Fettled or not, it is very, very fast - and thats with torque reduced at lower revs to mimic a NA feel. And from a Ferrari which is nearly entry level! What is the "specialie" or "scuderia" or whatever they call it going to be like?

Me likey the 488, turbocharged or not!
Chip Butty

I don't know where you could begin to deploy all that power on the road.

These things must be immensely frustrating to drive, perpetually terrified to even give it a demi-clog (fear of both losing your licence and the back end doing some kerb sniffing) and embarrassed from all the attention.

It's not as if you have a lovely manual gearbox and naturally aspirated V8/V10/V12 sex noises to keep you entertained. Boring probably isn't the right word, but I cannot imagine the experience is especially enjoyable.

I'll probably never know of course - but aside from the warp drive acceleration, there is nothing about that selection of cars that flicks any of my current car related switches.
JohnC

Chip Butty wrote:
I don't know where you could begin to deploy all that power on the road.

These things must be immensely frustrating to drive, perpetually terrified to even give it a demi-clog (fear of both losing your licence and the back end doing some kerb sniffing) and embarrassed from all the attention.

It's not as if you have a lovely manual gearbox and naturally aspirated V8/V10/V12 sex noises to keep you entertained. Boring probably isn't the right word, but I cannot imagine the experience is especially enjoyable.

I'll probably never know of course - but aside from the warp drive acceleration, there is nothing about that selection of cars that flicks any of my current car related switches.


That's pretty much how I feel about them too. Wonderful to look at but so restricted in daily driving that there really is no point and little enjoyment (unless you like posing).

My car is supposed to have a 50-70 time of 2.7s and 40-70 in 3.8s which is plenty fast enough and I struggle to use full power as often as I would like. The figures quoted by Twelfth make mine look pedestrian which must equate to unusable.
Chip Butty

If we had lightly traffic'd roads with no speed limits, they would be bloody brilliant - especially the Veyron.

But back on planet earth........
PhilD

Chip Butty wrote:
I don't know where you could begin to deploy all that power on the road.



CB on his way to work, can't be too careful!


franki68

utterly insane figures,hard to comprehend how fast that must feel, .

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