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BeN

GT5

GT5 will be out in November apparantly.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/1...lly-launch-november-2-2010-in-3d/

Personally, I can't be arsed. But what do you lot think?
Boxer6

Re: GT5

BeN wrote:
GT5 will be out in November apparantly.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/1...lly-launch-november-2-2010-in-3d/

Personally, I can't be arsed. But what do you lot think?


Can't be arsed, either!! Frankly, I struggle to see how people find the time to play these games for any length of time - and still have a life, that is!!  
Humphrey The Pug

I always liked the GT series of games on the Play Station and very nearly got a PS3 instead of a Blu Ray player purely as I was expecting GT5 to be released early in the year, I'm glad I didn't as it never materialised.

I have Forza 3 on the 360 and whilst I enjoy it, to me it isn't a patch on GT4, I could play GT4 for hours and never get bored but after 45 minutes on Forza I just get bored.

The Game play on GT4 is so much better and I loved getting the licences and trying to better previous licence times etc, even just by fractions of a second.

The hype that has followed for GT5 could end up with it being a really disspaointing game, I hope not though and when PS3's come down to a reasonable pricing level I may well go and get one.
Blarno

I get the impression it's going to push 'anal' to a whole new level. The last 2 were so far up their own arses, it was hard to tell what was real and what was a game.

If it's more like GT2, then I might give it a go.

Then again, there are no guns or hookers, so I'm not really interested anyway.

DradusContact

Forza 3 has proved there can be too much of a good thing.  Forza is an ultra realistic game that is eseentially a GT clone, im bored of that so i bet i will be bored of GT5.
Blarno

The trouble with pushing realism is that you can never be realistic with a game. There's always 'feel' missing. All the force feedback wheels, gaming chairs and HD graphics can't fully recreate the feel of really driving. That horrible feeling at the base of your guts as the arse lets go mid-bend? Try recreating that on a game. Fear is taken out of the equation, too. If there's no danger to be extracted from crashing, you're going to push harder.

One of my beefs with GT3/4 was that every car had traction control/EDC/ABC123/Blameitontheboogie, which, although switchable, was bobbins. Since when did TVRs have all that guff? If you want to make it realistic, do it properly and make them bastard handfuls. I was wondering how I was winning races in a Renault 5 Turbo Maxi, depsite it being an evil handling mid engined turd, and it was because it had bloody TC! Traction control probably didn't exist when the Maxi was in production, so why the hell did it have it in the game.
DradusContact

You can turn everything off which makes for an interesting drive.

I remember trying to drive a Dodge Charger with 500hp with no traction control, no matter how lightly i pulled the trottle trigger it wouldnt drive straight!
DradusContact

Oh, and for a bit of danger there was a Mech game on the original Xbox and if you didn't press the eject button when your mech was blowi9ng up you died in game and it wiped your save game.

And this was the pad for it:

Blarno

DradusContact wrote:
You can turn everything off which makes for an interesting drive.

I remember trying to drive a Dodge Charger with 500hp with no traction control, no matter how lightly i pulled the trottle trigger it wouldnt drive straight!


You shouldn't have to turn it off on a car that shouldn't have it! I managed to perfect a drift around a long sweeping left on one of the courses on GT2 (Can't remember which one, but it had a long and short variant. The bend was on the long variant and was a 270° left, just after going under the bridge where the corner ended.) in a TVR Griffith 500.
Matt

Even when you do turn it off, you can't get realistic responses in cars with seemingly below 500bhp.

I tried the Jag S-Type R and without any aids on, it just wouldn't oversteer - lift off, let alone power. WTF is that about? Even with DSC on my Dad has got the back to power-over slightly and ours is only 240bhp.

GT4 is tripe compared to Forza imo and I loved GT1 and 2.
DradusContact

To me comparing them is like comparing coke with pepsi, its two very slightly different takes on the same thing.
Blarno

Matt wrote:
Even when you do turn it off, you can't get realistic responses in cars with seemingly below 500bhp.

I tried the Jag S-Type R and without any aids on, it just wouldn't oversteer - lift off, let alone power. WTF is that about? Even with DSC on my Dad has got the back to power-over slightly and ours is only 240bhp.

GT4 is tripe compared to Forza imo and I loved GT1 and 2.


I seem to remember the Clio 172 being dog awful on the game. Slow and understeery, a total opposite of the real thing.
Matt

The Vectra 3.2 was quite competent. Clearly the game had it wrong!
Sav

The end of one of the trailer's show's the creator of GT working with Adrian Newey and Sebastian Vettel, it would be cool to have the latest Red Bull F1 car in the game. Just imagine that thing around the original Nurburgring with those cornering speeds.  

You can drive NASCAR models on street circuits as well - about the only time one is ever likely to be seen in such an environment.
gooner

The last one I played properly was GT3. My brother got GT4 for our PS2 but, being at uni, I wasn't able to take the PlayStation with me even though, being at uni, I had plenty of time to play it. Kids and, indeed, a life mean buying a PS3 simply for GT5 is somewhat out of the question. Can't fault the graphics but I always felt GT4 removed some of the original tuning emphasis. GT2 is still the best in my book, it had all the extra cars and gameplay that GT1 was missing but didn't get too lost in the graphics.
DradusContact

Does anyone know which one had the puma in it?
him

^^^ Gran Turismo 2, it even had a Saxo VTS in it.

(I may have extensively used a highly tuned white one during my time with the game...)

DradusContact

Thats one i never really played.  I hope its in the new one just so i can mod the hell out of it and see what might have been!
Tim

Did GT2 have the Fiat Coupe or was that GT3?

I thought the tuning element was lessened in GT3 rather than GT4.

I can remember being at work having a discussion about suspension settings not long after GT1 came out
gooner

GT2 had the most cars with all sorts of random ones including original Mini 1275 cooper S, fiat Coupe and Barchettta alongside Merc CL and C43 AMG. It also had a pretty good synopsis of each car, which, being sad as I am, took rather a long time to get through.
gooner

And I just remembered it was GT2 that feature the Espace F1! Must dig out the old ps1 at some point.
Sav

I was reading an interview with the creator of GT and he said that the NASCAR races will be realistic, I assume that means caution periods as well because without them it won't be a realistic NASCAR experience.
the other ct

And presumably they’ll have ad breaks every 7 minutes featuring your competitors?

This, believe it or not, is the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_XRnvrqnO4
Mike Amos

I wish I had time these days, I still have a license for LFS and it would run on a win 7 pc but the new stuff leaves me cold.  If I ever get time to collate all the files I would like to get GPL and GTL installed for those free minutes.  Problem is, if you let yourself get out of driving any of those you have to more or less start from scratch - none of this smash a car into a wall at 240 mph and just bounce off either.

Sorry, for all the wonderful graphics I just cannot see how they beat a program with genuine feel for the racing.  I got a dirt 2 download free with my pc and tbh, it is a shadow of the earlier colin mcrae series, v2 is one of my all time driving sims/games(?) mostly because you can not only change the handling bias, but you can tell the difference too.  A rear wheel drive 206 rally just has to be tried, it is THAT good.  Later versions are glitz over substance and in a conversation I had with a developer at the company, he told me it was because car companies do not want folk who use these programs to see their products smashed up.  Sad.
Max Headroom

Puma was on GT2 - which imho remains the best driving game ever. the sheer scale of it was boggling. GT3 lost the ability to race modify your ride. Graphics improved but still no damage allowed. GT4 got so anal it bored me rigid. I;ve played forza2 and forza3 to death (as DC can testify). For me they give a good balance of realism plus the ability to modify to your hearts content. and the in-cockpit pov for driving! I fear GT5 will pass me by as i can't afford a PS3.
Matt

The only thing that annoys me with GT2 and maybe I didn't realize it back in the day, but the rubber-banding is stupid. My 212bhp Skyline had trouble leaving 70hp hatchbacks in one race, but was happily mixing with Fiat Coupes and FTOs in the next race.

Still a brilliant selection of cars though, especially with the European content.
Matt

It has been delayed again. Sony's American blog broke the news and the Japanese site confirmed it later on. They claim it'll still be out this year, but I really don't see it.

Unbelievable.
Parm

Delayed again! Oddly, I was going to pre-order it today but never got round to it.
Any reason cited for the delay?
Oh well, gives me more time to play F1 2010.
Matt

None given, apart from a vague quip about 'perfection'.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/20...tm_campaign=gran_turismo_5_101310
Humphrey The Pug

Parm wrote:
Delayed again! Oddly, I was going to pre-order it today but never got round to it.
Any reason cited for the delay?
Oh well, gives me more time to play F1 2010.


How you getting on with it?

Monaco is impossible, I gave up and drove the wrong way so I could get black flagged rather than pit every lap as I had clouted the barrier.

Apart from the innane talk of my engineer and the infuriating delay in the pits when having a tyre change I'm enjoying it.
Parm

I haven't had much time to play it TBH. I've only completed the first 2 races in career mode. Finished 12th and 10th respectively. Great fun though. Tried Monaco in grand prix mode. It amazes me how a real race has any cars left at the end!
Pkh72

I pre-ordered GT5 a while back now but as i'll have precious little time to play it i'm not too fussed about it being delayed again, it's my birthday on the 7th so it would have been nice to have it for around that time though.
Tim

You might get it in time for your birthday next year then, but don't hold your breath.
Parm

New Years day apparantly...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11011...rismo-5-gets-a-release-date-video
Giant

CAR magazine had a feature about the ultimate prize car in GT5: Red Bull X1, an enclosed cockpit F1 car with no rules or restraints, designed with input from Adrian Newey.
DradusContact

Parm wrote:
New Years day apparantly...

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11011...rismo-5-gets-a-release-date-video


Missing out on Christmas will cost them big time.
Tim

Plus the postie won't be round until the 3rd or 4th with it either.

Whatever happens it's going to be a big disappointment as there's no way it will be good enough to justify the wait - even if it was better than Forza 3.
Giant

Got the playstation out the loft at the weekend, just bought GT2 on ebay for £3.
Matt

Heh, I did the same recently. The best selection of cars from all the games, IMO.

GT5 has leaked out and videos are going up on YouTube. An end of November release seems likely and I'm hoping they make a PS3/GT5 bundle in the UK, as I'll be all over it.
Giant

Matt wrote:
Heh, I did the same recently. The best selection of cars from all the games, IMO.

GT5 has leaked out and videos are going up on YouTube. An end of November release seems likely and I'm hoping they make a PS3/GT5 bundle in the UK, as I'll be all over it.


I probably would be too, dependent on price.
DradusContact

http://kotaku.com/5685221/could-gran-turismo-5s-opening-be-any-longer
Matt

Quote:
The names are actually the obituaries for everyone who died whilst working on this game.


Parm

just heard from Amazon that release date is Nov 24th...
Matt

I'd wait to get Sony's confirmation, as they posted it to their US website earlier and then it was removed.

There's been a lot of upset at GT Planet today because of the car list and its foibles, such as the Veyron and Jag XF-R being modeled in GT4's graphics, rather than GT5's full premium level. It also features two premium Suzuki Swift Sports; one being a 2005 model, the other being a 2007 model. Is that really necessary!?
him

^^^ 22 MX5 Variants???
Matt

That seems extreme, but then you notice 16 S2000s, which had one generation with one facelift. If you were to work it out, this game probably has about five different cars making up a fifth of its total.
him

This was interesting I thought, how the graphics have improved over time with GT.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-gran-turismo/101607?type=flv

Though I have to say, that the GT5 gameplay graphics fall somewhat short of the replay "bullshots" we have all seen around the net.
Matt

The premium car list is a bit crap, too. I'll still buy it, though. I'm not going to fool myself into thinking otherwise.
Tim

I think I'll give it a miss as buying GT5 would also entail me buying a PS3  
Pkh72

I have it on pre-order and it's due next week, when the hell i'm going to get chance to play it is anybody's guess!
DradusContact

Would be nice if there was something by MG in there, the SV surely deserves an honourable mention.  I think as it stands the MGB or the Midget is the only thing in it.

May pick it up in the future but not at release, no way.
DradusContact

Just watched that clip and if it looks that good in game, then i will be impressed.
Tim

"him" wrote:
This was interesting I thought, how the graphics have improved over time with GT.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video...010-gran-turismo/101607?type=flv.


This reminds me that there was a small bit that you could unlock in GT1 that let you play in enhanced graphic mode.
I think it only gave you the night-time city track and possibly the Castrol Supra but the graphics were noticeably smoother.

I bet it'd look really blocky now.
Humphrey The Pug

TimR wrote:
I think I'll give it a miss as buying GT5 would also entail me buying a PS3  


Tina is asking me for the X-Mas list and I'm seriosuly thinking about a PS3 with GT5 as I loved all of the other GT's, I know it's not the general view on here but I find the GT series of games far better than Forza.
DradusContact

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
TimR wrote:
I think I'll give it a miss as buying GT5 would also entail me buying a PS3  


Tina is asking me for the X-Mas list and I'm seriosuly thinking about a PS3 with GT5 as I loved all of the other GT's, I know it's not the general view on here but I find the GT series of games far better than Forza.


Theyre both great racing games, don't have a negative view of one or the other really.  I just feel now i've played forza 3, which is an ultra realistic racing game, GT5 needs to be something really special to impress me.  I think thats why its been delayed so much.
Tim

I'm not sure there's a lot of difference between GT and Forza.

Forza has ability to adjust every setting on the car as GT did from version 1.

I reckon the only real difference will be the tracks. Some of the ones in GT - especially 1 & 2 - were fantastic (Grand Valley, Trial Mountain, the city one with the hill/jumps).
Apex clipper

I'm still thinking of a 1.4 pushrod engine!
Humphrey The Pug

Forza bores the crap out of me, I put it on last night as I hadn't played for so long, did one 3 lap race and turned it off.

The only thing with having a PS3 and a 360 is that one of them is bound to be neglected and it's likely to be the X-Box, but then again I've had it for 2.5 years.

I am very impressed with the X-Box, considering how new the PS3 is compared to it the X-Box is still a bloody good machine and in some respects better than the PS3.
Tim

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Forza bores the crap out of me, I put it on last night as I hadn't played for so long, did one 3 lap race and turned it off.


I got like that with the GT series.

With 1 & 2 I think I completed the game but by 4 I think I only did about 25% of it.

Half the problem now is that good games come out too regularly.

I mean I'm still hacking my way through Forza 3, I've played through COD MW2 once but played it online a lot, I completed Halo Reach on normal then put it aside without even going online and I'm currently resisting the temptation to go and get COD Black Ops.
Not only that but I see a new version of Gears of War is due for release sometime soon (although a mate said they put it back 6 months to late summer) so if I did get GT5 I'm not sure when I'd get the time to play it which is a bit of a waste of £50.
DradusContact

I am hiring a driver to finish forza for me, he finished year 5 for me once i got to driver level 50 and has done about 1/3 of year 6 for me.
Humphrey The Pug

Agree with games coming out too often, I get about an hour a day on the X-Box, sometimes less, sometimes more which just isn't enough time to complete everything.

I have heard Black Ops isn't actually that good.
Tim

Humphrey The Pug wrote:


I have heard Black Ops isn't actually that good.


I've heard good and bad.
There are some folk saying that playing it online it's laggy and they can't get into a game and keep getting kicked from a lobby while others are having no problems.

Some folk have also said the single player game is really short, others saying its not that bad.
Humphrey The Pug

TimR wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:


I have heard Black Ops isn't actually that good.


I've heard good and bad.
There are some folk saying that playing it online it's laggy and they can't get into a game and keep getting kicked from a lobby while others are having no problems.

Some folk have also said the single player game is really short, others saying its not that bad.


A friend who has it told Tina that the single player isn't all that really whereas online it's pretty good.
DradusContact

http://kotaku.com/5693980/it-is-real-this-is-actually-happening
Humphrey The Pug

I wonder how much this game has cost to develop?

Does anyone know why it was delayed so much?
Pkh72

Because the chiefy chap (can't remember his name!) has OCD i think.
him

Well the reviews will be out tomorrow, but for now, I am unimpressed by the look of the game...

Mustang in the rain (Murcans eh?)

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/mustang-rain-gran-turismo/707766

Karting

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/beginner-kart-gran-turismo/707769

It would appear that (similar to Forza 3) all the "shinyness" of the replays/photomode is missing from the gameplay gfx.

I am disappointed currently...
DradusContact

Looks identical for Forza 3 really, not a bad thing as such, but a let down after so long.  Forza set the bar so high, its tought to beat.
DradusContact

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/113/1136103p1.html

IGN's review.  Interesting.  They say its a "10/10 racing simulator wrapped in a 5/10 game" with muddled menu's and such.  Also, out of the 1000 cars, only 200 are high detail like the ones you will have seen in demo's, the rest are lower quality.
Humphrey The Pug

DradusContact wrote:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/113/1136103p1.html

IGN's review.  Interesting.  They say its a "10/10 racing simulator wrapped in a 5/10 game" with muddled menu's and such.  Also, out of the 1000 cars, only 200 are high detail like the ones you will have seen in demo's, the rest are lower quality.


Oh well looks like I woon't be getting a PS3.
DradusContact

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Oh well looks like I woon't be getting a PS3.


I've got a PS3 and struggle to reccomend it really, there are some fantastic games though, little big planet for one is great.  I would say if you ever saw one cheapish get one, but as i say beyond that its a luxury not needed like the 360.
Tim

Isn't the PS3 meant to be a fantastic Blueray player though?

If they're not too expensive you could get one for that and any decent Sony-only games would simply be an added bonus?
Parm

TimR wrote:
Isn't the PS3 meant to be a fantastic Blueray player though?

If they're not too expensive you could get one for that and any decent Sony-only games would simply be an added bonus?


Yup. I use my PS3 as a blu-ray player, viewing photos straght from SD card, viewing HD movies from my camcorder memory disk, watching BBC iPlayer. It's far more than just a games machine.
DradusContact

TimR wrote:
Isn't the PS3 meant to be a fantastic Blueray player though?


It's a blu-ray player yes.  Fantastic?  Nah, just the same as any other really.  Apparently when reading a disc the PS3 uses the same power as 5 fridges!  epic.
Pkh72

Parm wrote:
TimR wrote:
Isn't the PS3 meant to be a fantastic Blueray player though?

If they're not too expensive you could get one for that and any decent Sony-only games would simply be an added bonus?


Yup. I use my PS3 as a blu-ray player, viewing photos straght from SD card, viewing HD movies from my camcorder memory disk, watching BBC iPlayer. It's far more than just a games machine.


Me too, in fact i've used it much more as a blue ray player than a games console.
Matt

After all these years, they really should have had some QC on the standard cars, because the picture in the link below is abysmal for 2010.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/sho...t=132225&page=392#post4179716
DradusContact

Christ thats bad.
Tim

I thought the GT5 guy was supposed to be a real car nut?

Surely if he was he'd make sure the things actually looked good.
the other ct

Well if any one is going to get it I'll just warn you the 20 minutes installation time has currently taken 1 hour on my brother's month old ps3 with only Black Ops and Modern Warfare 2 on the hard drive.
Humphrey The Pug

TimR wrote:
I thought the GT5 guy was supposed to be a real car nut?

Surely if he was he'd make sure the things actually looked good.


He had long enough.
Humphrey The Pug

the other ct wrote:
Well if any one is going to get it I'll just warn you the 20 minutes installation time has currently taken 1 hour on my brother's month old ps3 with only Black Ops and Modern Warfare 2 on the hard drive.


I don't install my games on the hard drive of my 360 I just play them directly from the CD, is there a benefit of installing onto the hard drive?
him

Some games load quicker, but the main benefit is the fact that once the game has loaded (and checked the DVD is in the drive), the Xbox is much quieter due to the lack of DVD drive access.
Matt

The PS3 install is I believe mandatory because all of the consoles have an HDD.
Humphrey The Pug

"him" wrote:
Some games load quicker, but the main benefit is the fact that once the game has loaded (and checked the DVD is in the drive), the Xbox is much quieter due to the lack of DVD drive access.


Ahhh, I don't notice the nose of the CD wirring away, after it has been loaded onto the hard drive can the disc then be sold on or may it be needed again?
Matt

The disc is always needed to start the game because the Xbox checks the disc's code to prove its authenticity.
the other ct

Well I like it.

Only played the career bit so still early days a modest car - my tip is to buy the 2nd hand Yaris turbo (or whatever it's called on here) and do some cheap upgrades for a bit more performance.

Hard to see why some people are hating on it as it feels like an improved version of the old one. But equally hard to see why it has taken so long!

Just starting licences (seems they aren't as important to progress though) so getting to drive other stuff. Like the special challenges as well. The NASCAR one looks fantastic and very detailed althought I suspect that will be lost on most people. Indeed, the only reason I appreciate it's accuracy (apart from the engine sound and Montoya doesn't crash into you!) is I watched a lot of this season.
Matt

I guess it's because people have never known GT to be so compromised, especially on the quality of the car models. If it was say GT5's Premiums and models of FM3's quality for the standards, the disparity would be quite close, but using GT4 assets and in some cases they're very poor, has irked a few people.

Could someone post a pic of the S-Type R at all? It was misshapen in GT4 and it has been ported over, so I'm expecting it to be exactly the same.
Parm

Matt wrote:
The PS3 install is I believe mandatory because all of the consoles have an HDD.


Actually it's optional for GT5, but I've chosen to install it... and am waiting... as we speak...
Matt

Oh yes, I recall reading that it can be set to install whilst you play. D'oh!

Don't play in the rain if you wish to keep your photomode shots...

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/sho...t=132225&page=402#post4190258

Hopefully it's patchable and will be sorted by the time I get the game in the New Year.
Pkh72

I pre-ordered mine earlier in the year and opted for the free delivery from Amazon, it was dispatched on Monday and i'm still waiting for it, it's no big deal really as i don't have time to play it at the moment but i just want it in my possession!

I have had my email with the codes for the stealth cars though.
DradusContact

I have read that due to the number of people playing it, you have to play it offline for now, even if your just doing the career, as the servers cant handle it.  If your playing and connected to the PSN then its always sening data to the server and it can take 60 seconds to change screens on a menu.

Hmmm, lots of people wanting to play an 'A' title when it comes out?  Could they not of predicted this and got the servers ready?  Sony have dropped the ball so many times with the PS3 ive lost count.
Pkh72

Mine has arrived by all accounts, Sue didn't take me seriously when i suggested she takes the twins away for the weekend for some reason.
Humphrey The Pug

http://sniffpetrol.com/2010/11/30/gran-turismo-5-recalled/
DradusContact

Could almost be true
him

DradusContact wrote:
Could almost be true

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles...uchi-to-upgrade-gt5-standard-cars

It nearly is, he is going to "upgrade" more of the cars to premium, no time frame for this has been given of course.  

eurogamer wrote:
Of that garage, 811 of the 1031 vehicles are only available in standard form.

There are only 220 premiums then? Really?

How are people on here enjoying GT5 by the way?
Parm

I'm enjoying GT5. Up to level 10, so haven't prgressed very far. The challenges are fun. Karting is quite frenetic, but too easy. The first Top Gear track challenge was quite tough. Haven't tried the NASCAR or the Rallying.
Most fun car to drive so far - the AC Cobra Chrome line.
Humphrey The Pug

I really enjoyed the challenges and obtaining licences on GT4, I would spend hours just getting the correct line through a corner and shaving tenths off a lap time to optain the next achievement level.

I think that is why I prefered GT4 to Forza.

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