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Michael

Gordon Murray's new city car

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news...don-murrays-new-city-car-revealed


Roadsterstu

Fast forward to 2026 and this car will still be in the tinkering-with-prototypes stages, with Autocar gushing about how revolutionary it will be when it appears "sometime in late 2030".
PhilD

Be fair though, they have made a car half the size of a conventional supermini 50% lighter which is some feat.
Giant

PhilD wrote:
Be fair though, they have made a car half the size of a conventional supermini 50% lighter which is some feat.


If anything it serves to show how impressive superminis are, space for a family of four and luggage, laden with safety features to protection you all atmotorway speed collisons and 60mpg whilst not looking like an offspring of a drunken fumble between a GWhiz and a toddlers pedal car.

Surely someone involved has children or grandchildren and shouldve suggestdd the colour scheme chosen will inevitably lead tocomparisons to the toy car Michael postered above. I suspect Murray is too arrogant to see the similarities himself.
Humphrey The Pug

Roadsterstu wrote:
Fast forward to 2026 and this car will still be in the tinkering-with-prototypes stages; still with Steve Cropley's tongue firmly up Gordon's arse and still gushing about how revolutionary it will be when it appears "sometime in late 2030".


It looks hideous by the way; I cannot see any normal person being happy to be seen in it.
Frank Bullitt

If it's not big enough for the trip just take its older brother


Big Blue

Technological marvel.

But revolting.

Apparently reclining bikes are some way more efficient than the classic three-triangle shape we are used to. But they look utterly shit and can't mix it with other traffic in visibility-of-the-user terms so no one wants one. Murray is undoubtedly a genius but with that comes madness, which is what trying to mass-market this to the public would be.
TreVoR

He seems to be doing OK with TVR so he does have his uses!  
Twelfth Monkey

Roadsterstu wrote:
Fast forward to 2026 and this car will still be in the tinkering-with-prototypes stages, with Autocar gushing about how revolutionary it will be when it appears "sometime in late 2030".


When it will look like this, and be just as likely to succeed:

Frank Bullitt

Just read the article and it is a fake - there's no mention of the McLaren F1, The Best Car Ever (tm), there js no way that Murray would be involved in a project where he doesn't get the chance to mention it to nauseous levels.

Interesting, smart engine which at 660cc is the 450 (original) smart fortwo engine with slightly reduced dimensions (698cc originally)
PG

107mpg at a steady 45mph. So what?

I'm sure that the special edition uber-efficient A2 would almost do that 20 years ago. As would a lot of current city cars - C1, Aygo etc. While seating people in relative comfort and not being subjected to people laughing at you as you pass.
Big Blue

PG wrote:
107mpg at a steady 45mph. So what?



So what for a different reason: who the fuck is driving for 107miles at 45mph? The only place you could reasonably expect to do that is on a motorway where a constant 45mph is simply irresponsible. Come to think of it, who is so rabidly obsessed with mpg that it can overcome the ridicule that will come with being in this car?
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
PG wrote:
107mpg at a steady 45mph. So what?



So what for a different reason: who the fuck is driving for 107miles at 45mph? The only place you could reasonably expect to do that is on a motorway where a constant 45mph is simply irresponsible. Come to think of it, who is so rabidly obsessed with mpg that it can overcome the ridicule that will come with being in this car?


Come on BB, we all see people everyday who drive at 45mph everywhere, on motorways, NSL roads, in 30 zones, in 20 zones. They're the ones who think think they are the worlds safest drivers because they don't overtake or speed on the motorway.
Tim

According to the article it small size will make it 'adept for zipping through city traffic'.

I presume that should be translated as it will take up slightly less space than normal cars while sitting stationary in city traffic?

If it was a concept put forward by the dreamers more usually associated with Donkernators it would just be laughed at.

Just because Murray did a good job with some F1 cars (aided by a supporting team of experts) and a very expensive money-no-object supercar doesn't mean, in my opinion, that everything he does should be treated reverentially.

What has he done since the F1 that has been exceptional and actually had a reasonable chance at success (so not the Rocket)?
PhilD

Tim wrote:
According to the article it small size will make it 'adept for zipping through city traffic'.

I presume that should be translated as it will take up slightly less space than normal cars while sitting stationary in city traffic?



Best thing I've ever driven in city traffic was an empty white transit van.
Tim

PhilD wrote:
Tim wrote:
According to the article it small size will make it 'adept for zipping through city traffic'.

I presume that should be translated as it will take up slightly less space than normal cars while sitting stationary in city traffic?



Best thing I've ever driven in city traffic was an empty white transit van.


You should try a 7.5 tonne truck that's clearly signwritten as a hire vehicle  
gooner

Tim wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Tim wrote:
According to the article it small size will make it 'adept for zipping through city traffic'.

I presume that should be translated as it will take up slightly less space than normal cars while sitting stationary in city traffic?



Best thing I've ever driven in city traffic was an empty white transit van.


You should try a 7.5 tonne truck that's clearly signwritten as a hire vehicle  


And a good tip for a clear motorway is to borrow an Octavia vrs and wear a hi-vis jacket. The outside lane seems to always be quite clear...

I'm interested in the notion that it can zip through congested city traffic. Is he suggesting that drivers of his car can just filter like a motorbike? I can't imagine them being very popular with other motorists if they did!
Martin

Many years ago I had to take our MDs car up to Glasgow.  It was a white Rover 827si (facelift) and it did a great job of clearing the right hand lane.
Frank Bullitt

PG wrote:
107mpg at a steady 45mph. So what?

I'm sure that the special edition uber-efficient A2 would almost do that 20 years ago. As would a lot of current city cars - C1, Aygo etc. While seating people in relative comfort and not being subjected to people laughing at you as you pass.


The 3L (94mpg) version - there are a few uk owners of imported cars and they all get in the 80's mpg with reasonable ease, a few have got over 100mpg on economy runs
simonp

Giant wrote:
If anything it serves to show how impressive superminis are, space for a family of four and luggage.


Apart from a MINI, of course...
Roadsterstu

PhilD wrote:
Tim wrote:
According to the article it small size will make it 'adept for zipping through city traffic'.

I presume that should be translated as it will take up slightly less space than normal cars while sitting stationary in city traffic?



Best thing I've ever driven in city traffic was an empty white transit van.


Best thing I'veever driven in city traffic was a VW  Crafter in full riot van spec, on blues and twos....
Roadrunner

Martin wrote:
Many years ago I had to take our MDs car up to Glasgow.  It was a white Rover 827si (facelift) and it did a great job of clearing the right hand lane.


My dad found his white Rover P6 had a similar effect in the 1970s.
Tim

A mate's dad was a senior sales rep and at one point had a white Granada (the 5 door shape) as his company car.

That was excellent!

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