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JohnC

Golf R

A client has just taken me for a spin in his new Golf R (picked up just 2 miles from the office). He has a Cayman GTS for sunny days and traded in a GTD Golf which is used by his wife, transporting the dog and when going to golf.

It is a long time since I have been in a fast Golf but there is something familiar when you climb in. His car is the favourite blue metallic, with the full leather and numerous other extras - he has it on a lease at less than £400/mth which is a bargain IMHO. It is fast and has much more torque and flexibility than I thought it would have when extracting 300 turbocharged horsepower out of 2 litres. I wasn't driving so it's hard to gauge turbo lag but there didn't appear to be much. The ride was firm but not crashy and it felt as though it would not be too difficult to live with even with our crap roads. I forgot to ask if it had adaptive suspension but I can see this, the S3 and similar cars becoming very popular after the road tax changes in April.

In fact now might be the time to buy one before the prices are ramped up to £39,995 as will inevitably happen.
Twelfth Monkey

I think all it needs is the Audi five pot.
gonnabuildabuggy

Re: Golf R

JohnC wrote:
he has it on a lease at less than £400/mth which is a bargain IMHO.


Even more of a bargain at £250-£300/mth which they have often come up at (assuming he's not doing mega miles).

Indeed PH has it's own thread for Golf R lease deals. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassin...amp;f=86&t=1586605&i=2080
JohnC

Re: Golf R

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
JohnC wrote:
he has it on a lease at less than £400/mth which is a bargain IMHO.


Even more of a bargain at £250-£300/mth which they have often come up at (assuming he's not doing mega miles).

Indeed PH has it's own thread for Golf R lease deals. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassin...amp;f=86&t=1586605&i=2080


His car has leather, sunroof, it does have the adaptive suspension and the upgraded sound and satnav plus reversing camera. He lives a fair distance out of the city so I reckon he would need at least 12K for mileage
Andy C

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I think all it needs is the Audi five pot.


I agree, but more realistic is a Revo map and exhaust .  Not that I've been looking ..
Martin

Does the Golf R need to be any quicker and would it be better if it was louder, or does the exhaust significantly alter the way it sounds?  Might be better to spend your money on the Dynaudio speakers?  I think mine would be a very similar spec to the one John has been in.

Thinking about the Audi engine, what's the weight difference between the 4 and 5 pot engines, enough to spoil the balance and it would add a significant amount to the cost (£10k?).
Martin

The problem I have with the Golf R (and I do really like it), is that the GTI looks better and has a more appropriate exhaust arrangement.  My neighbour must have changed jobs, as the 408 RXH / 308 GTI he used to come home in has been replaced by a dark grey GTi, which looks great.
JohnC

Martin wrote:
and it would add a significant amount to the cost (£10k?).


The last RS3 had a list price of £39,995 without extras and I think with the road tax changes £40K is going to be a real watershed - people will either blow the £40K and take the road tax hit or will choose something below £40K.

Cars which are around £40K and need extras which take them over £40K are unlikely to be fast sellers.
Twelfth Monkey

Martin wrote:
Does the Golf R need to be any quicker and would it be better if it was louder, or does the exhaust significantly alter the way it sounds?  


Doesn't need to be quicker, but it makes a pretty flat, uninteresting noise from outside the car at least.  I hear one blatting around the village from time to time and something's missing - character.  At least from the perspective of someone who's lived with a V8 for a decade.
simonp

And they make a fake sound inside...
Martin

I agree (from the outside), so was thinking making it louder would be a backward step.  Better to turn the stereo up.
Martin

simonp wrote:
And they make a fake sound inside...


What does that sound like, better than it does from the outside or if it didn't have help?  I'm not really bothered how good a car sounds from the outside unless it's a convertible as you'll get the benefit with the roof down.  No point in in sounding good to passers by and rubbish inside, the V6 Holden Commodore we had recently was a great example of that.
simonp

Definitely better inside than out. There's a "soundaktor" under the dash that adds fakeness to the engine noise. Strangely, the R, S3 and Cupra all sound different inside, despite having pretty much the same mechanical bits, so their sound actuators must all be different units.
Andy C

Martin wrote:
Does the Golf R need to be any quicker and would it be better if it was louder, or does the exhaust significantly alter the way it sounds?  Might be better to spend your money on the Dynaudio speakers?  I think mine would be a very similar spec to the one John has been in.

Thinking about the Audi engine, what's the weight difference between the 4 and 5 pot engines, enough to spoil the balance and it would add a significant amount to the cost (£10k?).


From what I've heard, the exhaust gives a much deeper, throatier sound. Yes its louder, but it does sound better.  I don't think it sounds that bad as standard anyway. If I had to choose one upgrade, I'd get the re-map over the exhaust .

It doesn't feel any quicker than mine really, so yes I'd get it re-mapped. 370bhp, 369lb/ft, and 0-100mph in 9 seconds dead ....all for £599
Roadsterstu

Martin wrote:
Does the Golf R need to be any quicker and would it be better if it was louder, or does the exhaust significantly alter the way it sounds?  Might be better to spend your money on the Dynaudio speakers?  I think mine would be a very similar spec to the one John has been in.

Thinking about the Audi engine, what's the weight difference between the 4 and 5 pot engines, enough to spoil the balance and it would add a significant amount to the cost (£10k?).


Indeed. Isn't 300bhp enough? Asks the man planning a Polestar remap...
Martin

It's 300hp in a small hatchback, I'd say that was enough.  Always nice to have more I guess, but not worth invalidating a warranty.
Roadsterstu

True. I have a lardy Volvo estate. It's a bit sluggish, it needs more.







(Hardly   )
Martin

I'm not sure, but from a quick Google it looks like the Polestar upgrade givesyou an extra 20hp but no more torque?   Not a big difference but not bad value for money.

More torque / effortlessness would be better.  
Tim

I quite like the Golf R but agree it'd be really nice with the Audi 5 pot motor (as an aside how much would it cost to get a decent used RS3).
Martin

I'm not sure, but from a quick Google it looks like the Polestar upgrade givesyou an extra 20hp but no more torque?   Not a big difference but not bad value for money.

More torque / effortlessness would be better than more power. 
scamper

I thought the RS3 and R had the same 300hp, or is this a new 5 pot RS3?

Am I right, they have reduced the price of the out going Gti?  Must be some good finance deals on them.
Racing Teatray

The original RS3 had around 340bhp I think. The current one has 400bhp and goes like a stabbed rat on speed.
gooner

Different engines. The RS3 has the 5 pot turbo whereas the R has the same 2ltr as the S3, albeit with more power. Word has it that a new Golf R400 has been put on hold as Audi are upset about it out powering the RS3. Now the latter has 400bhp too, the R400 may get the green light.
simonp

The Golf doesn't have more power than the S3, or the Cupra for that matter. They all have and always have had the same engine map. That's why the Cupra was a little quicker in those early magazine vids where they tested them both on track. Only badged differently for marketing.

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