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Stuntman

Getting fed up now - another car using my numberplate...

As some of you may remember from another thread, earlier this year I had a couple of penalty charge notices from the Dartford crossing where a Range Rover had been snapped, with a numberplate looking very much like the one I have on my M3.

Well today I've received a NIP from Cumbria Contabulary in relation to a car with my M3's numberplate doing 68 in a 40 on the A685 Brough Sowerby.  Unsurprisingly, I've never been there, and the car was garaged for the whole of that day.

The form doesn't give an option to say "It's not actually my car, it's another car using my numberplate illegally".  I've phoned the number and left a message and I am awaiting (with much interest) them returning my call.

I'm properly annoyed about this now, and just want the problem to go away - or better still, for the perpetrator to be severely dealt with.
Michael

Does it state the make and model on the NIP? I'd suggest that their failure to cross reference with the registration data base (assuming it's not a blue M3 saloon) is a failure in their duty. Isn't their a technicality where they aren't able to reissue NIPs that a lot of people use to avoid penalty?
I'd be tempted to let it go to court and highlight the lack of investigation for what it is.
Alf McQueef

You have my sympathies - the forms you get now for a motoring offence are so heavily weighted towards "accept it was you and pay now or we'll make your life miserable" that there is very little scope for explaining genuine error. Of course the hassle of calling people and sorting it out falls to you.

I wonder what it is about your plate that is so popular?
JohnC

With no visible tax disc, this kind of crime is now even easier to commit.
It would be interesting to know if it was the Range Rover again but I feel your frustration.

Hopefully you can give them the photos from the Dartford crossing and get someone to take action.
Stuntman

Cheers chaps.  I haven't heard back from them yet, but I'd suggest it's pretty darn unlikely that the offending vehicle would be a blue M3 saloon.  There can't be more than a handful of them in the UK in total!

Michael - the NIP has no photo and no make/model of the car.
Big Blue

Can't you request the photo? (there should be an address on the back of the NIP)
Bob Sacamano

Pain in the arse for you. But on the other hand it's saving me a fortune in fines..
franki68

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Pain in the arse for you. But on the other hand it's saving me a fortune in fines..


very good.
PG

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Pain in the arse for you. But on the other hand it's saving me a fortune in fines..


   

Could be embarrassing if all of us get caught at the same time.  

What a pain. According to this website, they are not obligated to provide you with photographic evidence, but it tell you what to do if it was not your car (camera reading plate error) or a cloned plate.

http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/pro...otice_of_intended_prosecution.php

Good luck, give them hell.
Twelfth Monkey

Maybe you should make the guy in the Git Plate thread who has TH15 ROX an offer?

I hope the offender does time in the shower with Mr Big...
JohnC

PG wrote:
According to this website, they are not obligated to provide you with photographic evidence, but it tell you what to do if it was not your car (camera reading plate error) or a cloned plate.

http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/pro...otice_of_intended_prosecution.php

Good luck, give them hell.


The Slip Rule would appear to suggest that if they have sent this out to     ** DAN instead of ** OAN then they can't pursue ** OAN unless they do it within 14 days.

It sounds like this guy knows exactly what he is doing and someone needs to put a big stick in his spokes!
Michael

Surely they can pursue **OAN for something more substantial such as cloning plates?
Racing Teatray

A quick vehicle check tells me that "V8 OAN" is on a grey 2014 Range Rover Sport Autobiography.

Perhaps not a clone but some numberplate font gittery combined with Police stupidity?
Martin

That's the car I spotted a couple of weeks ago.  There was definately some sort of font/screw head glittery as if I didn't know better, I would have been 100% sure it was DAN
TreVoR

If the screws have been dicked about with then I would be making a formal complaint.
Stuntman

Well, they did ring me back and I had a very civil chat with the lady who called me.  I told her the colour and make of my car, the fact that I wasn't in the area on that day, and about the Range Rover/Dartford crossing incidents and the fact that V8 OAN is on a Range Rover.

She asked me to write a letter to them to this effect and include any copies of my Dartford crossing correspondence if I could find them.

So let's hope that their photos are of a Grey Range Rover and they throw the book at the owner.
Frank Bullitt

Martin wrote:
That's the car I spotted a couple of weeks ago.  There was definately some sort of font/screw head glittery as if I didn't know better, I would have been 100% sure it was DAN


I don't think Dan looks like an Essex gangster wannabe with a neck wider than his head and Tarmac-damaged knuckles!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Aren't they guilty of negligence if they don't even check the make, model and colour of vehicle before sending out a NIP based on a photo ?
Michael

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Martin wrote:
That's the car I spotted a couple of weeks ago.  There was definately some sort of font/screw head glittery as if I didn't know better, I would have been 100% sure it was DAN


I don't think Dan looks like an Essex gangster wannabe with a neck wider than his head and Tarmac-damaged knuckles!


You've never met him, have you?
Martin

He's pretty much the exact opposite!
Big Blue

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Aren't they guilty of negligence if they don't even check the make, model and colour of vehicle before sending out a NIP based on a photo ?


No. As discussed in another thread: you're a motorist. You're guilty without any need for any kind of investigation.
Alf McQueef

Perhaps you need vehicle tracking Suntman, then you can prove it??
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I don't think Dan looks like an Essex gangster wannabe with a neck wider than his head and Tarmac-damaged knuckles!

Oh I don't know - that's Dan to the letter!
Stuntman

Leave it you slags, you're doing my Tracey's head in with your whining!  
Stuntman

Got a letter earlier this week from Cumbria constabulary saying that "after consideration of the circumstances, (they) have decided to take no further action on this occasion".  

I had sent them the Dartford crossing correspondence that I'd kept, including the letter from the Dart Charge organisation that they'd also be taking no further action.

While it's nice to have the matter closed, I think the content of these official letters should be improved.  They read as if they're doing you a favour by not taking action against you, when in this case they should be thanking me for my time and effort in providing helpful details and correspondence, and apologising for the inconvenience of being wrongly accused!

Mini-rant over, but seriously - politeness costs nothing and goes a long way.
Racing Teatray

Write a letter to that effect to whichever body has oversight?
Stuntman

A good idea at least in theory - but I'd need to word it very carefully so that it could only be construed as a positive suggestion for improvement, rather than giving any official body any hint of a stick to beat me over the head with if I were to actually transgress subsequently!
PhilD

Transgress in what way?!
Stuntman

In any way!  But specifically, in a motoring-related context where there may be legitimate wriggle room as to whether you are actually in the wrong, or an element of discretion over whether you are charged.  I don't want there to be any official black mark against me on any system (e.g. "this guy sent us a whiny letter, thinks he's a smartarse, let's get him if he ever makes a mistake").  Human nature being what it is, many people like to get one over on someone whom they perceive has previously offended or affronted them.

As an example - I have found in the past that being polite, respectful and charming to authority figures including police officers will tip the balance in your favour with regard to whether they would actually charge you for (say) a speeding offence.
PhilD

I think you are giving far too much credit to the IT systems the police use! A letter to a dedicated compilations/customer service/feedback team will not result in you ending up on Interpol's most wanted list!
Bob Sacamano

To me this is a tremendous result - you now have official paperwork from two different bodies confirming you are the victim of cloning/mistaken identity. You're bulletproof now.

Speed with impunity my friend, speed with impunity...
scamper

PG wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Pain in the arse for you. But on the other hand it's saving me a fortune in fines..


   

Could be embarrassing if all of us get caught at the same time.  


Certainly could be.  However also being a "Dan" has made it easier for the supplying dealer of my new Alhambra next week to quickly knock me mine up on the side.
Twelfth Monkey

Stuntman wrote:
Got a letter earlier this week from Cumbria constabulary saying that "after consideration of the circumstances, (they) have decided to take no further action on this occasion".  

I had sent them the Dartford crossing correspondence that I'd kept, including the letter from the Dart Charge organisation that they'd also be taking no further action.

While it's nice to have the matter closed, I think the content of these official letters should be improved.  They read as if they're doing you a favour by not taking action against you, when in this case they should be thanking me for my time and effort in providing helpful details and correspondence, and apologising for the inconvenience of being wrongly accused!

Mini-rant over, but seriously - politeness costs nothing and goes a long way.


I'm with Phil on this, I think you've nothing to lose from a well-worded letter.

By "after consideration of the circumstances, (they) have decided to take no further action on this occasion".  what they really should be saying is 'we've twigged that you are innocent, so obviously wouldn't waste our time or yours in doing anything more.'  That or apologising.
scamper

How times change.  Twenty years ago, I got done speeding, although I was on the other side of the country.  A simple phone call, and a few hours later received a message on my phone (from an actual policeman!), saying "sorry for the mistake, someone needs their eyes tested reading number plates  and the bloke in question was probably a bit hung over."
gooner

Perhaps what wouldn't go amiss is the agencies sending out PCNs having some modicum of car knowledge. When they see a picture of a speeding Range Rover, they should be able to twig that sending a letter to the registered keeper of a BMW M3 is a bit odd! The local officers should also be asked to keep their eyes peeled and should they notice said Range Rover displaying your plate, which is quite memorable, to ignore the fact it doesn't come up on ANPR and pull him over!
JohnC

Stuntman wrote:
Got a letter earlier this week from Cumbria constabulary saying that "after consideration of the circumstances, (they) have decided to take no further action on this occasion".  

While it's nice to have the matter closed, I think the content of these official letters should be improved.  They read as if they're doing you a favour......


All Govt departments are the same. HMRC regularly issue penalties when none are due and when they are challenged (at our cost and time), the best you will get is the standard letter which says that on this occasion they have removed the penalty, followed by a lot of warnings about getting it right in future.

Such letters normally result in a shout from downstairs that they can f*** off.

I think though that I might be tempted to send a letter saying I am disappointed in the wording of the letter and the lack of apology and ask that formal action be taken against the owner of the RR due to the time wasted for both you and the Govt officials.
Michael

One of the things that sticks in my mind from being stopped by the police in Italy is that they salute you when they've finished ticking you off. They know who they work for.
PhilD

Michael wrote:
One of the things that sticks in my mind from being stopped by the police in Italy is...


The other being that they look like one of the village people?  

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