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Andy C

Geneva Motorshow 2013

Had a great last couple of days with Nick, Dan and Colin in Geneva. We must have walked god knows how many miles, but it was worth it as you can see from the pics!

Good::
Kia Pro Ceed GT - Looks great (I think it's probably the best looking hatch on sale), nice enough inside, 7 year warranty.

Renaultsport Megane 265 - A car I could see be owning in the future; great seats, mildly drab interior but I think the way it drives will rectify that!

LaFerrari - If you think it looks good in the pics, wait until you see one in the flesh. Just stunning and I defo prefer it to the P1.

Suzuki Swift Sport - Seems to have followed on from the old one which I liked a lot. Great looks and according to EVO, drives brilliantly.

Skoda - Pretty much anything they sell I like. Right from the Citigo up to the Superb. The Citigo, even though a small, cheap city car, had a great interior that felt very well screwed together. It also looks great (imo).

Seat Leon - The old one looked great, but had a suspect interior. The new one looks great, but is practically a Golf inside....

....VW Golf GTi -  Business as usual; not the most exciting to look at, but a superb interior that looks good and is very solid.

Mazda 6 - Looks great, especially in estate form. Interior isn't quite as good as say a Skoda Superb, but looks a good all round package.

Jaguar XF - Probably my favourite car on sale and I seriously cannot wait for the coupe version as convertibles aren't really my thing.

VW Concept R-Line - Bloody lovely for a 'boring estate'

Alpina B3- Just buy one Michael

Pug 208 GTi - I think it looked great. Apart from a slightly small steering wheel, the interior was fine too. Whether it's any good to drive is the crucial factor though.

McLaren F1 LM - I've never been a huge fan of the F1, but to see one, especially an LM so close up was definitely a highlight.

McLaren P1 - I 100% prefer the LaFerrari, but it was still amazing to see. No doubt it will be mesmerizing to drive, but Ferrari defo is better to look at (others will disagree!)

Toyota FT-86 - Looks lovely and hopefully could pursuade Tara into one !


Bad:
Renaultsport Clio 200 - I was skeptical when I saw the press release that a manual box wasn't even going to be an option. Now I've sat in it, I really don't like it.  According to EVO, it drives really well. But I found the interior laughably cheap; nasty shiny black everywhere and the centre console was very flimsy. The flappy paddles also felt horrible to use. It will appeal to some (more grown up, usable hot hatch bla bla) but what about the people who bought a previous one (me) purely for driving enjoyment. Manual is more fun than flappy paddles. The end.   (Rant over!)

Fiesta ST - Sounds like a great car, but I hate the front.

Rolls Royce Wraith - Dodgy rear.. I don't think the colour helped tbf.

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Colin demonstrating the legroom in the Skoda Superb:
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Seats 2 in, erm, comfort?:
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I'm sure I've  missed loads, and I only had the iphone cam. For the full detailed report from Colin and Dan, head over to http://themotor.net/ in a few days.

Geneva is a great motorshow. Shite hotel aside, it was a great couple of days.
TreVoR

Fantastic. I love the P1 and the LeFerrari.

Out of interest, what were the crowds like as it doesn't look massively busy in your photos?
Boxer6

Don't dis iPhone images - they're really good and sharp.

Love the Leon, but the Golf really isn't doing anything for me. Might be different when I see one on the road.
Andy C

Mark - Friday was not too bad. Saturday was rammed at certain stands.  We've decided to go Thursday and Friday next year.

Ian -  I agree about the Leon, if they do a Cupra it will look sensational.
Martin

Great pictures Andy.

Having seen a couple on the road now, I think I would choose a Leon over a Golf.

Colin is not the person to be testing legroom!
Michael

Thanks for the write-up and pictures, really enjoyed looking through those. I do like the new 3 series and the B3 looks the business. Apparently it has received very positive reviews and the order books are booming. I understand the D3 is being launched at Frankfurt.
Sav

Excellent pictures Andy. The Rolls-Royce Wraith looks great in those pictures, but the colour scheme doesnít help though.

Both of the Maseratiís look crap.
Humphrey The Pug

Great photos, thanks for sharing them.

P1 for me though, the "La Ferrari" just has a hint of 70's car of the future about it.
Parm

Fab pics. Thanks for sharing Andy!

The LaFerrari looks awesome!
Blarno

I must be getting old. Not one car there even remotely tickles my plums.
Nice Guy Eddie

Like Humph the LaFerrari looks like some concept from 20 years ago. Less said about the Lambo the better, what idiots were parted with £3million for one of those.
Love the FT86
Do all Maseratis look shit now? Seems they have less idea on how to develop the grandsport then Jag do with the XK.
The red Aventador is probably all the car I'd ever need, the P1, La ferrari and new Pagani/konigsegg just do nothing for me.
PhilD

Parm wrote:
Fab pics. Thanks for sharing Andy!



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Roadsterstu

Thanks Andy. Looks like you all had a great time.
BeN

Looks like a great day out. Must be fun trawling through a motorshow of that scale for fun (unlike me where I actually have to work ).

Thanks for the pics Andy.
Andy C

Blarno wrote:
I must be getting old. Not one car there even remotely tickles my plums.


Not even the megane ?
Giant

The Alfa 4C seems to have a 1990's Halfords bonnet vent stuck on its bumper ahead of the front wheel.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Saturday was certainly a lot busier than Friday, but even then you could get close to most cars with a bit of patience. It's easily the best show I've ever attended - yes, we did walk a lot, but the Palexpo is a manageable size, and so convenient, being right next to the airport.

Laughed at the comment about Colin testing legroom, but Dan and I also did plenty of it too, with much swearing at the tiny rear-door apertures so many modern cars have - step forward Mercedes CLA and Volvo V40 in particular.

On that note, the car that pleasantly surprised me most was the Ford B-Max, a car I've never rated before now. I still think it looks odd (almost inevitable for a tall, short car), but it is so well-packaged - the four of us climbed in one and agreed we'd have no problem travelling in it all day. And I bet it's brilliant to drive.

I amused everyone by liking the cars that the others thought ugly, and by preferring the P1 to the La, which though stunning at first glance, had some angles that jarred more than slightly, to my eyes anyway. In fact, it wasn't even my favourite Ferrari; that accolade going to the gorgeous F12 (apart from the one that had been butchered by Mansory, of course).

Other points of note:

Wraith looks way better in the metal. As does the Flying Spud - almost fastback tail, and a chopped side profile that outdoes the 300C.

Wheels were the only thing I liked about the Clio RS

The F Type is stunning; it may be heavier and more expensive than the Boxman, but I'd still take it in preference

If there's any justice, the Leon SC will be the car to set Seat on the right track

Talking of VW sub brands, Skoda don't seem to have a single duffer in their line-up; an Octavia vRS estate would be something, hope it comes soon

Impressive showing from Tesla: big stand, great-looking cars. 4000 Model S on the road in the US.

The contrast between Subaru's attractive Viziv concept and its dowdy production cars was both striking and saddening.

Disappointment of the show for me was the Alfa 4C: I really wanted to like it, but its odd proportions and truly horrid headlights ruled it out.

Laugh-out-loud moment was the Hamann House of Horrors - from the gold trimmed G Wagen to the pink Range Rover via the 5 series with the world's most ridiculous bodykit.
Michael

It does sound like a good show. It's a good job I didn't plan to go to this as thanks to one hungry dog my passport wouldn't have been fit for purpose anyway!
PhilD

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
the Alfa 4C... truly horrid headlights


I still can't get over this, what were they thinking?!
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

PhilD wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
the Alfa 4C... truly horrid headlights

I still can't get over this, what were they thinking?!

Barried Mk 1 Focus or Peugeot 206, apparently ...
PhilD

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
the Alfa 4C... truly horrid headlights

I still can't get over this, what were they thinking?!

Barried Mk 1 Focus or Peugeot 206, apparently ...


Yes! I jsut saw this on a 307! aprt from looking truly shite the indicator was barely visble as it was a tiny round thing facing forward. So do you think Halfords will offer a nice faired in number for you to un-barry your 4C?
PR

Top stuff, Andy. Shame I couldn't join you - it looks like a great show.

Add me to the list of Alfa 4C detractors. It looks like a shitty cheap kit car made in someone's shed, not a £50k bespoke sports car. Fail, Alfa.

Conversely I like the Golf GTI, although I'm not sure about the red stripe in the headlight.

Hopefully I'll make it to Geneva next year.

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