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Alf McQueef

First XFR service

The XFR is in for its first service in my ownership today, and also an MOT. It is on 15k intervals. £350 was the fixed menu price for a major service, this did not seem bad to me, especially given that I'm letting them rip me off for oil within that price - I'm too busy to be a pikey with that at the moment.

Unfortunately it will be more as I need the TPMS valves programmed and also erred in not fitting rear brake wear sensors when the pads were changed recently, which means the pads need to come back off at main dealer pricing to fit those, so being a pikey there was pointless also.

On first acquaintance, the dealership is more Alfa than BMW - quite small, staff seeming more stressed- they didn't have me down as needing a load car when I had clearly booked one, and so on. And I was supposed to pick it up at 3 but called them and it had only just gone into the workshop at 2:30 so I'm waiting to hear when its ready.... I'm mid way between 2 Jag dealers, I may give the other a go next (they were both well recommended online).

The loan car is a nearly new Disco TDV6. I'm not going to do a "test driven" on it except to say its fecking huge - I have never driven anything like it, it feels incredibly high and wallowy and utterly disconnected from terra firma.  The engine is quite smooth and the gearbox very keen to shift down rapidly yet smoothly, as in the Jag. Its not for me though...

On the plus side, there is some incredible metal in there. High end F-types utterly give me the horn, I could just sit and look at the thing - overall looks and details like brakes and seats - all day if I had one. Yummy. One day, I will have one, when I have the suitable grey hair and no kids living at home...
Twelfth Monkey

Seems to me that routine V8 running costs only get silly when you get up to Aston/Maserati levels, and even then because they charge according to expectation/what the market will bear.

How many miles p.a. do you think you're going to be doing?
Alf McQueef

I'm doing about bang on 20k at the moment - I'll probably be doing a bit more in the new job, though I'm flying more and also staying over for meetings rather than always "out and back" so I doubt I'll get to much more than 25k. I don't really mind the mileage anyway, especially while fuel is at current levels!

£350 for a major service seems fine to me - it also looks like now major work like belts, or even plugs, needs doing until 105k. The MOT was £55 and the brake sensor £30 and they didn't charge to fit it, or for the TPMS reset (not that that seems to have worked!). All in all, less than I expected, and no nasties found, or coming up.

I was waiting for a while, and had a good look around the range. The XE has a nice interior, though looks almost narrow to me now inside. £63k seems a bit steep for the new XF 3.0D, nice though it is. Its a big jump up from the XE in price, and the XJ is a mere £10k more and presumably a higher spec. I have something of a soft-spot for XJ's...
PG

£350's a good price. I bought a three service fixed price servicing deal with mine, so hopefully I'm locking in those prices for the next 45k miles.

Alf McQueef wrote:
I was waiting for a while, and had a good look around the range. The XE has a nice interior, though looks almost narrow to me now inside. £63k seems a bit steep for the new XF 3.0D, nice though it is. Its a big jump up from the XE in price, and the XJ is a mere £10k more and presumably a higher spec. I have something of a soft-spot for XJ's...


The XF 3.0D S is £50k OTR if I recall correctly. So there must have been quite a few options to get it to £63k   Which does seem an awful lot. As you can get £10k off an XJ on the web right now.
Martin

If you equlise the spec, an XJ R-Sport is cheaper to buy than the XF 3.0D S.  

Was it £350 for a major service, or was it just an oil change?  I've no idea how much BMW will want as I've paid up front for the first 2 services (50k miles).
JohnC

Martin wrote:
 I've no idea how much BMW will want as I've paid up front for the first 2 services (50k miles).


The worst I had in 8 years with the 335D for a major was about £450 incl VAT, for the service incl brake fluid change, pollen filter etc

Oil service only services were around £180.
Martin

That's useful to know, thanks.  A lot cheaper than I've been used to recently.
JohnC

Martin wrote:
That's useful to know, thanks.  A lot cheaper than I've been used to recently.


The price did increase quite a bit though when it needed pads or a new tyre. I have just checked back through the services and the biggest was at 30,000 miles when it had its first MOT and a major service with air, fuel, oil and pollen filters changed plus oil and brake fluid - that cost £498.40 incl VAT and the MOT.
Martin

That's probably what mine will have in 7,000 miles, but it's covered by the service pack.  In comparison, it's £480 just for an oil change on a Boxster.
Alf McQueef

It was what they call a major service, but what that means is anyone's guess - like a lot of modern cars nothing seems to need doing for ages, the plugs and belts are at 105k, and the air filter is 105k for most XF's, 60k for mine. Waiting for 45 mins after 2 calls to check when it would be ready was not great service, but they actively didn't take opportunities to charge me more, and its not a terrible place to hang out with all those F types around.

With the BMW it was really hard to know what it cost on an equivalent basis as inspections, oil changes, and brake changes were all out of kilter on their silly system, so it went in more often but cost less each time. The dealer, and pricing, were excellent mind - but I have a feeling something was on my notes ever since the "100mph test drive on a country lane" incident. I warned Jaguar the car was tracked.

The showroom XF must have had a high spec - it was £63k vs £73k for the XJ and they had a fairly similar spec. I'm spoiled on the standard spec front, reading the placards next to the cars there were some crazy omissions, if it is to be believed then the F type R soft top had heated seats as an option. WTF!
Martin

In that case, £350 is really good.

It's very easy to get used to FG, much harder to do without.  Having an XFR will make it so much harder next time, assuming you don't buy new.
Roadsterstu

Martin wrote:
Was it £350 for a major service, or was it just an oil change?  I've no idea how much BMW will want as I've paid up front for the first 2 services (50k miles).


You've been in Porsche world too long! How much do they charge for an oil and filter?
Martin

£480.....

It includes
• Drain and replace oil
• Replace oil filter
• Replace pollen filter
• Top up screen wash
• Oil top up kit
• Minor service inspection

I wonder when they'll move it onto their older model pricing, the same service costs £265 on a 986.

I've done some digging on BMW costs and they range from £152 for an oil service up to £518 for a full service inc brake fluid.  Front and rear pads are £500 on the 535d, which will be the first cost.
Roadsterstu

Well, that's "premium" I guess. Ouch.
PG

Martin wrote:
£480.....

It includes
• Drain and replace oil
• Replace oil filter
• Replace pollen filter
• Top up screen wash
• Oil top up kit
• Minor service inspection



£480.

What is the oil made from - the tears of angels?
Martin

I don't know, but your tea comes in a teapot with a cup/saucer and a nice biscuit.
Twelfth Monkey

All they need do is throw in a cheque for a couple of hundred quid and everyone's a winner.
scamper

PG wrote:
Martin wrote:
£480.....

It includes
• Drain and replace oil
• Replace oil filter
• Replace pollen filter
• Top up screen wash
• Oil top up kit
• Minor service inspection



£480.

What is the oil made from - the tears of angels?


Ah yes, but its not just the oil, the oil comes in an oil top up kit!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

scamper wrote:

Ah yes, but its not just the oil, the oil comes in an oil top up kit!

You mean in 1 litre bottles at £15 each, instead of a 5-litre bottle at £30 ?
Tim

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
scamper wrote:

Ah yes, but its not just the oil, the oil comes in an oil top up kit!

You mean in 1 litre bottles at £15 each, instead of a 5-litre bottle at £30 ?


You won't get 5 litres of decent fully synthetic oil anywhere for £30.
Martin

It's not just a litre of oil.  It comes in a Porsche branded zipped case, with a pair of gloves and a cardboard funnel.  
Alf McQueef

It probably takes more than 5 litres as well.

I see the oil for mine (I think 7 liitres) was £70. Expensive, yes, but not as bad as some. At least its genuine unicorn extract for my car as the XFR spec oil is almost impossible to buy, unlike the more common standards - Millers have one that's all but the same, but a dealer could reject it for the warranty as its not the exact spec (nothing commercially available is).
JohnC

Alf McQueef wrote:
It probably takes more than 5 litres as well.

I see the oil for mine (I think 7 liitres) was £70. Expensive, yes, but not as bad as some. At least its genuine unicorn extract for my car as the XFR spec oil is almost impossible to buy, unlike the more common standards - Millers have one that's all but the same, but a dealer could reject it for the warranty as its not the exact spec (nothing commercially available is).


I always thought that kind of behaviour was rich coming from the manufacturers. BMW's recommended oil was Castrol (0-30w I think) but the dealers all bought their bulk oil from Shell and it was 05-40W.

I had a bit of communication with BMW on this and they basically told me to piss off because the oil the dealers used was within spec (even though it was a different spec! - go figure)
scamper

Martin wrote:
It's not just a litre of oil.  It comes in a Porsche branded zipped case, with a pair of gloves and a cardboard funnel.  


Ah yes, I remember I used to get that - I think with Audi.  

What used to get on my tits was VW.  After each service I'd have one full bottle of oil placed in my boot and was of course invoiced something daft for it.  After a couple of services I went for my last and told them to bloody well use all the bottles up which were in the boot, before charging me for oil.  They weren't best pleased and evidently had not been challenged on this before.
Tim

The M5 takes 8 litres of whatever BMW recommend, except you can't get it anymore.

I always ran the Coupe on Mobil 1 15/50 but, sadly, they've stopped making that. However at the last change I moved over to Gulf 15/50 and its been fine.
The service prior to that was done at the garage I worked in and they put in 5/30 (as they did for EVERY car) and perhaps unsurprisingly that pretty much came straight out the exhaust!
I think I did less than 1k miles prior to changing it.
Alf McQueef

JohnC wrote:


I always thought that kind of behaviour was rich coming from the manufacturers. BMW's recommended oil was Castrol (0-30w I think) but the dealers all bought their bulk oil from Shell and it was 05-40W.

I had a bit of communication with BMW on this and they basically told me to piss off because the oil the dealers used was within spec (even though it was a different spec! - go figure)


It's an absolute bugger when dealers do that. Manufacturers are entirely happy to reject your warranty claims for using non-OEM stuff, but themselves often go entirely against their own cars stated requirements on oil spec. This was why I started supplying my own oil with the GTA - it was a weird spec (15W50, like older BMW "M"'s) and neither the mail dealers nor the specialists always used the right stuff.

If the car is supposed to run on a certain spec of oil, something easily searched for online, is it too much to ask that the dealer uses it? For most of us its probably not an issue - I think mine is 5W20 synthetic, which is very common across most modern Fords for example (the C Max also uses it) but when your car needs something like 15W50 then be afraid. The second - higher - number really ought to be right for the car, at least. If a dealer stuck 5W40 in a car designed to take 5W20, then the oil is a lot thicker than recommended, and could well have implications.
PG

Alf McQueef wrote:
It probably takes more than 5 litres as well.

I see the oil for mine (I think 7 liitres) was £70. Expensive, yes, but not as bad as some. At least its genuine unicorn extract for my car as the XFR spec oil is almost impossible to buy, unlike the more common standards - Millers have one that's all but the same, but a dealer could reject it for the warranty as its not the exact spec (nothing commercially available is).


Ah that explains why I've not managed to find any anywhere. I'd better get a litre from the dealer then for any required top ups.
Alf McQueef

PG wrote:


Ah that explains why I've not managed to find any anywhere. I'd better get a litre from the dealer then for any required top ups.


This is 99% the same - and will be at least as good as the official spec stuff. Buy it on Ebay, its a lot cheaper than direct from Millers! I have been using their stuff forever, it is excellent:

http://www.millersoils.co.uk/auto...prodsegmentID=1003&sector=Car

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