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Martin

First Fault

The Boxster had a damp drivers side carpet mat a couple of weeks ago, which was a little bit greasy, but I didn't think too much about that as I thought the water was just rinsing something off.  When I looked under the front boot lid I saw a pool of water around one of the drain holes, so I cleared the blockage and the water flowed away.  A quick google reveals that it's a common issue, but at least it's one that is easily resolved and now I know, I'll check it more regularly.

However, the carpet mat was still getting damp, which I didn't know about until I drove it on Sunday and when I checked it more closely, it wasn't water, it was much more oily.

The dealership picked it up this morning and their initial diagnosis was that a seal had gone somewhere in the braking system, so they pulled it all apart and it was a seal on the master cylinder.  They need to order in a part so we won't get it back until tomorrow, but it is covered under warranty and they've agreed to replace the carpet mats as it's made a bit of mess on the drivers side.  They're not cheap, as they have a leather binding, but I'm pleased they agreed to do it without question.

I guess one small problem in 17,000 miles / 21 months isn't bad, but it has reminded me that I need to make a decision on extending the warranty in January.
TreVoR

That's good service.  Brake fluid is nasty stuff so I am pleased they are changing the carpets without any arguments.

Shouldn't this be second fault, or doesn't a duff battery count?  
Roadsterstu

Problems can crop up. It's how they are dealt with that matters more.
Martin

TreVoR wrote:
That's good service.  Brake fluid is nasty stuff so I am pleased they are changing the carpets without any arguments.

Shouldn't this be second fault, or doesn't a duff battery count?  


Oh yes, good point.  Despite that being a wear and tear item, it did annoy me at the time, so yes, this is the second fault!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

... so Renaults are more reliable than Porsches :-)
Martin

Might be, I have no idea.  I suppose this is what happens when you run an old car, it's 4.5 years old now....  
Chris M Wanted a V-10

4.5 years isn't old (certainly not when you're used to running around in cars that are 10 to 20 years old)
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
Might be, I have no idea.  I suppose this is what happens when you run an old car, it's 4.5 years old now....  


Unfortunately this is what happens when you run Porsche's, not old cars  

Should have bought a leggy BMW 328 instead, far more reliable.

Seriously, Porsche's are great cars but their ability to throw you a large bill is well known, given it's a daily driver of sorts I'd be renewing the warranty without hesitation.
Martin

I don't think replacing a seal in the master cylinder and a new battery is too bad over nearly 2 years and 18,000 miles on a car that was only a couple of months shy of its 3rd Birthday when we bought it.  

You're right though, I do think renewing the warranty is the right thing to do.  It was the £1000+ bill and being locked you into the extra cost of main dealer servicing that was making me think twice.
Twelfth Monkey

What's the total mileage?  18k in 2 yrs is below average, so it's not like she's 'abused' it.
Martin

It will be on 40,000 by the weekend and will have done 20,000 in our hands by the time we've had it two years.  
Neither of us abuse it, but it is driven as it should / properly enjoyed on a regular basis, hence the rear tyres only lasting 9,000 miles, although the P Zeros are very soft and don't last as long as the other options.
gonnabuildabuggy

Martin wrote:
It will be on 40,000 by the weekend and will have done 20,000 in our hands by the time we've had it two years.  
Neither of us abuse it, but it is driven as it should / properly enjoyed on a regular basis, hence the rear tyres only lasting 9,000 miles, although the P Zeros are very soft and don't last as long as the other options.


I'd suggest a brake cylinder seal in anything under 10 yrs/100K mile is unexpected but you always get "the odd thing"

Ditto batteries, but I don't think new ones have the longevity of older ones and you don't know how the original owner treated the car.

What would the cost of replacing the seal be if it wasn't in warranty?

£1000 plus main dealer servicing is a high price to pay, but then I suspect FPSH on a 7 yr old car would be worth an extra £1000 or so on the resale anyway.

I suspect depreciation also hasn't been that massive vs other alternatives either?
PG

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
£1000 plus main dealer servicing is a high price to pay, but then I suspect FPSH on a 7 yr old car would be worth an extra £1000 or so on the resale anyway.


+1. Get that warranty renewed.

Or change the car?
Michael

PG wrote:
Or change the car?


Got to admit that was my thought too. It's a great car but I would imagine it's at that point where the value starts to fall more sharply now so maybe a good time to update it?
Martin

Porsche batteries are crap.  They aren't even sealed for life units and their life expectancy is 2 years, 3 at the most, so based on what I've read we're one of the lucky ones!

I don't know how much it would have cost to replace the seal, but the mats are nearly £100....

The finance balance is dropping a lot more quickly than the value of the car and I wouldn't be any better off changing as anything else I'd want would probably depreciate more.   It's difficult to work out its value due to the high spec, but depreciation has been OK, somewhere in the region of £4k pa and it would only cost £5k less to buy a similar car now from a dealer.

There isn't a really good reason to change the car that I can think of, but upgrading is never something I would rule out and I check Autotrader on a (too) regular basis.   I've not seen many with the right spec other a 62 plate low mileage car at £40k (private) and a 2 similar cars at main dealers for £43-44k.  That's a bit much for a car that is only 18 months newer that our car and a lot for one over 3 years old.  A nearly new car at £50k ish would be much better value, but that's more than I'd want to spend right now.   We've got a wedding/honeymoon to pay for and I need to think about what I want next and make sure the right amount of money is allocated into that fund.  

Lindsay has said she wants to keep it for a long time, making it a weekend toy in a couple of years, but as much as I love it, I can't see that happening!
PhilD

What's that coming over the hill?
Is it a Boxter?
Is it a Boxter?

Nope, it's a Vantage  
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Martin wrote:
Lindsay has said she wants to keep it for a long time, making it a weekend toy in a couple of years, but as much as I love it, I can't see that happening!

If it's to happen then she needs another car as a daily driver..... how about a 1996 Civic 2-door coupe ??? Or a GT4 ???
Martin

I'm going off that idea a bit now.  Still a fantastic looking car, but I'm not sure it's enough to balance out the slightly dated interior, running costs, age of a car within budget and

What I'd really like is a 12 month old Boxster GTS, but prices for those start with a 6 and what I'd really, really like is a 991 for me and Lindsay to have the practical car.  But it's way too early to change the 535d and swapping cars isn't an option right now as my 911 fund is about to take a serious beating!

I may have been giving this too much thought recently.....
Michael

FFS, you more than anyone knows the answer is get a new car!
Martin

Michael wrote:
FFS, you more than anyone knows the answer is get a new car!


PG

Michael wrote:
FFS, you more than anyone knows the answer is get a new car!


You beat me to that comment  

Man maths can be made to justify just about anything.
Martin

I agree with you both, a new car is usually the right answer!  

In this case it isn't right now, due to the amount I'd want to spend to feel like I was getting a decent upgrade, there isn't anything I'd want to swap it for this side of £60k.

As I said earlier, the new car fund is about to be given a serious hammering, pretty much by the amount it would cost to upgrade to what I want if you include our March Holiday.

Anyway, we've not even had it 2 years yet, give it another 12 months and I may well be seriously looking.
Martin

Back to the original point, they still have the car and are dropping a loan car off shortly.  I don't understand what the issue is as I've only had second hand info via Lindsay, but apparently they can't get to the area they need to partly because something is "a bit twisted".  It's been in the workshop all day and the technician says there's another 3-4 hours work!  He must be taking half the engine bay apart.

I bet we'll have had more than next years extended warranty cost by the time this has finished.  I'm not even going to think about it any more, just pay up when the time comes.

Or swap the car....  
Martin

I was passing Porsche Silverstone earlier, so I dropped in to find out what the problems was and whether "twisted" was something I should worry about.  After resisting the offer of tea and cake, the service manager came out and explained the problem.  

Basically, they have to remove the pedal box and when they were doing that a spring became detached and the pad all box twisted slightly and jammed, which added a lot of time.  They also decided to remove the carpet (seats needed to come out) to clean both the top side and foam backing to make sure it didn't have any brake fluid in it as it's very corrosive.

So the 2-3 hour job has taken them over 7 hours, I'm so glad we weren't picking up the cost!  We now have a nice clean car back in the garage, complete with brand new mats

He apologised profusely for only having one of the workshop Polos available, they normally just use them to collect customers cars.  Lindsay said it was comically slow, but better than nothing of course.

Let's hope that's it for a good while.

They had an absolutely stunning red Cayman GTS with the GTS interior pack (red stitching etc), PASM and Adaptive Sports seats in the showroom....I had to remind myself that I prefer the Boxster and leave before the man maths kicked in!
Alf McQueef

Boxster and Cayman GTS are very very nice...

Whether or not to continue the warranty will be a biggie for me as well in 18months time, I probably will - but I have yet to see what Jaguar servicing costs are like. I will be mixing main dealer servicing with local garages/specialists - the only thing I really regretted getting done at the main dealer on the BMW was brake pads/discs all round, they were double the online parts prices for the same kit, and expensive for labour too. And of course the big job I had done on the Alfa stung me for a grand more for parts than online prices. Given the mileage I'll stick on mine and the likely value at the end of it, I'm not making those mistakes again!
Martin

I spent way too long on the Porsche Configurator, used cars and Autotrader at the weekend, it has to stop!!  My favourite plan is to replace the 535d with a 991 and for Lindsay to have something more practical, but that's not a possibility for a couple of years.

I had a good look at the Boxster in the daylight on Saturday, the new carpet mats look good (striped....!) and they've done a great job with the carpet, it was completely dry and looked like new with really a deep pile.   They didn't give it a normal service wash either, it's had a proper valet.
PhilD

Martin wrote:

What I'd really like is a 12 month old Boxster GTS, but prices for those start with a 6 and what I'd really, really like is a 991 for me and Lindsay to have the practical car.


Remind me which flavour of Boxter you have (seriously I've somehow forgotten!) and also why you need a practical car?
Stuntman

He's got the non-S model, but the model name contains an S, Phil

(Not deliberately being pedantic, just hopefully addressing a tiny gap in your otherwise very impressive knowledge )
Martin

We have it in 2.9 manual flavour, I won't bore you with the long list of options!  

I've got two kids (10 & 14 in the next few weeks) and the eldest is nearly 6' and wears size 10 shoes already, so rear legroom is important!   We don't need anything as practical as I've got, a 3 series saloon would have been OK.
PhilD

Martin wrote:
We have it in 2.9 manual flavour, I won't bore you with the long list of options!  

I've got two kids (10 & 14 in the next few weeks) and the eldest is nearly 6' and wears size 10 shoes already, so rear legroom is important!   We don't need anything as practical as I've got, a 3 series saloon would have been OK.


but which gen of BoxSter 987 or 981? The obvious move is to the newer one which is a very lovely thing.

For the practical car you obviously want a premium interior but don't need 5 metres of car. An SUV may be the answer....

EDIT: an XFR is clearly the answer!
Alf McQueef

Great service aside, something that involves brake fluid leaking to the extent of noticing it inside the car, even if it was just the effect of a bit of it in a lot of water, is quite an arse-clenching issue on a sports car. There is not a lot of fluid in a brake system.
Martin

PhilD wrote:
Martin wrote:
We have it in 2.9 manual flavour, I won't bore you with the long list of options!  

I've got two kids (10 & 14 in the next few weeks) and the eldest is nearly 6' and wears size 10 shoes already, so rear legroom is important!   We don't need anything as practical as I've got, a 3 series saloon would have been OK.


but which gen of BoxSter 987 or 981? The obvious move is to the newer one which is a very lovely thing.

For the practical car you obviously want a premium interior but don't need 5 metres of car. An SUV may be the answer....

EDIT: an XFR is clearly the answer!


It's a fairly late 987.2.

A 535d is still the answer based on a Boxster as the 2nd car.
Martin

Alf McQueef wrote:
Great service aside, something that involves brake fluid leaking to the extent of noticing it inside the car, even if it was just the effect of a bit of it in a lot of water, is quite an arse-clenching issue on a sports car. There is not a lot of fluid in a brake system.


It is a bit, yes.  From what they said, I assume it's right behind or just above the pedal box, so much closer to the inside of the car than it would be on something front wheel drive.
Roadsterstu

Martin wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Martin wrote:
We have it in 2.9 manual flavour, I won't bore you with the long list of options!  

I've got two kids (10 & 14 in the next few weeks) and the eldest is nearly 6' and wears size 10 shoes already, so rear legroom is important!   We don't need anything as practical as I've got, a 3 series saloon would have been OK.


but which gen of BoxSter 987 or 981? The obvious move is to the newer one which is a very lovely thing.

For the practical car you obviously want a premium interior but don't need 5 metres of car. An SUV may be the answer....

EDIT: an XFR is clearly the answer!


It's a fairly late 987.2.

A 535d is still the answer based on a Boxster as the 2nd car.


I just don't think Martin is ready for a Jaguar or rather Jaguar are not quite ready for a Martin yet...
Martin

I did get quite close last year, but you're right, Jaguar aren't quite ready for me yet.
PhilD

Maybe but these things are clearly contagious!

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