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Frank Bullitt

FB's New Motor

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PhilD

Red with black wheels, the forum combo...

Nice car, I wish you many happy miles together!
Racing Teatray

How do the nippers get on with the non-opening rear windows?
Bob Sacamano

I do like that red and the larger 19" wheels fill the arches much better.

Who would have thought black wheels would become such a forum favourite so quickly!  

We've had the call and agreed to swop the Qashqai for a new one, coming 1st Sept, I think.
JohnC

Congratulations on the new car. I like the look of that and it gives you what you wanted: your car with more spec and a bit more pace.
Blarno

Not my cup of tea by any stretch, but congrats anyway.
Frank Bullitt

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Martin

Definitely the best colour for the DS4 and a bit more power and kit is nice.  Hope you like it as much as the current one.

As its "FBs New Motor", does that mean you've sorted Mrs FB a new car as well?

Another forum follower....it happened with the 130i, then the Clubman....might be time to change.  
Frank Bullitt

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gooner

That does look good in that colour and the spec is excellent, especially the massage seats. Hope you enjoy it.
Michael

Congratulations. From the interior picture that door opening looks unusually small.
Racing Teatray

gooner wrote:
That does look good in that colour and the spec is excellent, especially the massage seats. Hope you enjoy it.


The massage seats are quite something. I remember them from the rental DS4 we had!
PG

Nice colour choice! Can't complain about red...
Giant

Congrats, a lovely spec looks great, I prefer the metallic brown and brown leather Mother BB (iirc) has, but the red is a close second, of all the black alloys spreading across the forum like a unwelcome disease, these are by far the least offensive  

Pre facelift is definitely better looking, I saw a new one yesterday, with C R O S S B A C K emblazoned across the full width of the rear, looked bloody awful!

Amazing the DS5 is smaller inside than that, it hardly appears cavernous!

I've lost track, I thought the previous DS4 was traded for a C4 Picasso a few months ago?
Frank Bullitt

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Big Blue

Still nice. My Ma's is still fabulous.

Re: massage seats. The ones in the Gorilla are akin to a beating. I hate them.
franki68

Good call on the people carrier.
Enjoy!
Roadrunner

Looks good to me. Another fan of the colour.
Nice Guy Eddie

I like the look of that. Very nice colour. Folk seem a little mean when it comes to the back door/window lack of practicality over style. If it was an Alfa not a Citroen it would be a different matter. I also can't recall when I ever needed to open the rear window of the golf.
gonnabuildabuggy

Congrats, cant' beat that new car excitement and that looks really nice.

I share your frustration on the DS5. I like them too and had pencilled it in as a left field replacement for the FRV list.

Like you I'd assumed they were Mondeo sized inside though.....

Your write up has them off the list and it's getting difficult to work out what my options are:

FRV - perfect for family needs but lacking excitement

XC90 - a bit big but still 7 seats. Diesel lacking in oomph though, whilst V8 is thirsty.

RX400h - only 5 seats and smaller inside than FRV, performance with economy though and lots of good ones about

ML420CDI - posh badge, great performance with economy, but large and big bill potential.

Honda Legend - not an SUV so not ideal for Mrs. GBB but different and cheap for what they are

Lexus GS400h - ticks lots of boxes but small boot might be a killer.

EDIT - rarely do our windows get opened unless I'm on my own. The rest of the family just use the air-con
Tim

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I also can't recall when I ever needed to open the rear window of the golf.


I occasionally do it in the M5 on a favourite bit of road next to a high wall but by the time you've got to the top of 2nd gear there's too much wind noise and the hideous wind vibration that seems common to all 4 doors is starting to become uncomfortable.
gooner

Tim wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I also can't recall when I ever needed to open the rear window of the golf.


I occasionally do it in the M5 on a favourite bit of road next to a high wall but by the time you've got to the top of 2nd gear there's too much wind noise and the hideous wind vibration that seems common to all 4 doors is starting to become uncomfortable.


Only time I do is when I open all the windows with the key to cool the car down a little after parking it in the sun on a hot day. They quickly go back up when the air con gets going, which doesn't take long.
Frank Bullitt

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Roadsterstu

Looks good and if you like the DS4, why change model? (Although the DS5 not being up to expectations is rather disappointing).

Does the Crossback have the same ride height or is it even higher??!

Enjoy!  
Nelson

Congratulations. That is a very attractive looking car with top spec. Beats a Focus, Civic, Auris for me. Interior looks a very smart place. The bigger DS5 has always appealed to me too.
Happy miles
Stuntman

I think it's a very tidy-looking thing.  Hope you enjoy it!
Frank Bullitt

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Frank Bullitt

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TreVoR

MODS - BAN HIM!

Congratulations. I would actually quite like a caravan but the very idea horrifies Lindsey.
Frank Bullitt

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gooner

Doesn't Stu have one? I apologise to you if I'm wrong Stu!
Roadsterstu

Top job FB! Looks nice, that. Enjoy.

I sold my caravan a couple of years ago. Before it fell to bits!!  Paid 480 quid. Sold it for 600. Id have another if I had space to store it, Mrs R didn't hate caravans and I could afford a fairly recent one!
Martin

Back to you childhood!  I had many great caravan holidays as a kid and definitely visited more places and went further afield (Switzerland/Italy/Austria) as a result of having one.   So I'm not horrified by the idea but have no desire to get one.

My parents still have one which they use for 6-8 weeks in the Alps every summer and the odd weekend in this country.  They have a 2 berth Sterling, think it's a 490 as that's the max they can fit in the garage.

Have you got space to keep it?   Is 430 the lengh, it looks bigger?
Big Blue

Forum ban!

Unless you're going motocrossing?
Frank Bullitt

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Martin

Sounds like a good layout, saves making beds every day.  Own garage is ideal but external storage is better than it stuck outside the house.  Just don't park it best a tree.

I don't want to be all 'caravan club' but I'd want something a bit bigger to tow a 6m+ caravan.  Bigger than the DS4, not mine, the 535d would be ideal!
Frank Bullitt

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Martin

Yes, I assumed it would be all OK, I'd just want something a bit bigger as it would tow better and give a greater safety margin.  Just a personal preference, but one based on experience.  At last you didn't do what a lot of people seem to do and think a big SUV is essential....

I'm sure you'll have many happy holidays in it, enjoy!  
Roadsterstu

I assume that yours has the Al-Ko ATC stability gubbins, anyway, being new?

I'm sure you'll have some great trips away - big family holidays or even dad n lad weekends. Little FB will love it. As I said, I'd happily have another but Mrs R is dead against it.
Roadsterstu

Martin wrote:
At last you didn't do what a lot of people seem to do and think a big SUV is essential....


I'm sure my folks don't need anything as hefty as their Terracan but, as someone who has towed for over 30 years with cars from an Escort upwards, my dad says the stability it gives is excellent.

As well as a bigger tow car, I'd want plenty of torque and power, too. Still gotta overtake, you know...
Martin

My Dad used to shock other drivers when he went past on A Roads and they realised there was a caravan on the back!  It got even easier and more frequent when he switched to Saab Turbos.   He goes a bit steadier these days even though his current car is an even more capable tow car.  The 525d goes along happily in 8th on the autoroute apparently
Frank Bullitt

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Martin

The caravan dealer?  Is it the one in Finedon or the bigger place in Rushden behind Waitrose?
Frank Bullitt

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Nice Guy Eddie

Nice car, shame about the thing you'll attach to it. Even looking at a photo of a caravan depresses me.
Bob Sacamano

I have so many happy memories of caravanning holidays with my parents that I still think about getting one.

You've never truly lived until you've fallen asleep to the sound of the rain hammering down on an aluminium roof while your dad pees noisily in a bucket three feet from your head
Roadsterstu

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I have so many happy memories of caravanning holidays with my parents that I still think about getting one.

You've never truly lived until you've fallen asleep to the sound of the rain hammering down on an aluminium roof while your dad pees noisily in a bucket three feet from your head


Martin

Ahhhh, happy memories of holiday in Scotland!

Things improved considerably when we first went to Italy.
Racing Teatray

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Nice car, shame about the thing you'll attach to it. Even looking at a photo of a caravan depresses me.


Mmm. The only place they appeal to me is in the US of A, on a road trip to eg Burning Man. But even then you'd really want a Winnebago...
Big Blue

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Nice car, shame about the thing you'll attach to it. Even looking at a photo of a caravan depresses me.


Agreed. Since you wrote that I've been down all day.
Michael

Enjoy the caravan. I can see the point but they're not for me.
PG

Racing Teatray wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Nice car, shame about the thing you'll attach to it. Even looking at a photo of a caravan depresses me.


Mmm. The only place they appeal to me is in the US of A, on a road trip to eg Burning Man. But even then you'd really want a Winnebago...


I can see your point. But US caravans and motorhomes are a different species to our weany ones. It's like taking your second home with you, rather than a shed on wheels.
Nice Guy Eddie

Now a motorhome I can get on board with, don't know why. I guess a motorhome brings to mind pioneering drives to far flung locations. The image I get from Caravans are siting around a campsite in the rain, in matching shell suits and eating baked beans. Not suggesting anyone here fits that stereotype
Frank Bullitt

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Martin

I don't like Motorhomes.  Maybe they're OK if they're big enough to take a car along (inside or towed behind) but otherwise they're a complete pain if you want to stay somewhere for more than a night and when you're travelling from A to B you're driving a van when you could be in a nice car.  

My mum would be horrified with NGEs view of the typical caravanner.  She gets shirty with me if I dare to call it camping....
Tim

Roadsterstu wrote:
Martin wrote:
At last you didn't do what a lot of people seem to do and think a big SUV is essential....


I'm sure my folks don't need anything as hefty as their Terracan but, as someone who has towed for over 30 years with cars from an Escort upwards, my dad says the stability it gives is excellent.

As well as a bigger tow car, I'd want plenty of torque and power, too. Still gotta overtake, you know...


I'd argue that you could have something too big and powerful though so there's a balance to be struck.

I haven't towed a caravan before but did tow a trailer with a Mitsubishi ASX on it using a Subaru Legacy and that was fine.
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Big Blue

I've been looking at Californians myself.....
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
I've been looking at Californians myself.....


Me too, a lot.
Frank Bullitt

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gonnabuildabuggy

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I've been looking at Californians myself.....


Me too, a lot.


Same....
Big Blue

Arnie's an Austrian.

Been looking at T6 Califs. Fuck me they're expensive, even in Germany. Some decent high spec sub-80k km T5s on AutoScout but I'd need a 2 year plan to use one before I sunk the cash. Like going to 5 GPs per annum, or buying a classic bike to race or track day. Not likely to get a pass for that for a couple of years.
Martin

There are usually plenty of hotels near circuits and 5 of them a year will be much cheaper, plus you won't have to sleep in the back of a small van.  Or even better if you want to do self catering, rent a house / cottage for the weekend.

Being serious for a moment....I don't get why caravans and so bad and camper vans are OK?    Putting aside my point about setting off on your holiday in a van, at least FB will have his own toilet and shower.  He'll also have a decent heater (maybe blown air central heating?) fridge/freezer, cooker etc and a more comfortable bed.
TreVoR

I would rather have a caravan at £10k or so over a £40-50k camper.

An old Airstream would look really good being towed by the Land Rover.
Martin

It would, but I prefer this combination.

TreVoR

Yes, but that's only because you don't see the appeal of driving an agricultural vehicle as your every day car!    
Clunes

A friend an colleague of mine has an old American 'mobile home' (A 22' Barth) he uses for holidays.

His daily drive is an R35 GTR and he's a pretty big petrol head but genuinely loves using it although I guess the Chevy 454 engine restores some of his petrol headedness.


However, on his most recent trip last week one of these parked up in the same camping park - he did take pics of the real thing but the ones on the web are better - it's bonkers - Automobil 5800

http://www.actionmobil.com/en/2-axle/atacama/atacama-5800





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Big Blue

A Camper van will sit at 180kph on the autobahn. A caravan is not allowed to.
Bob Sacamano

Big Blue wrote:
A Camper van will sit broken down on the autobahn.


A campervan (VW or other) is the hip, trendy, romantic option - too small and you end up sleeping and living in the awning, so you might as well have just gone camping.
A motorhome is the dream but they're too big in Europe, too inflexible when you get to your destination and just another engine to insure, maintain etc.
A caravan is the sensible option, albeit the least "trendy", as if that matters for family holidays. You drive your own car and can use it while the van is parked up, and a van meets 90% of the things a motorhome offers with 10% of the inconvenience.

Their are two types of people with caravans - those who take caravan holidays and caravanners - just don't become one the latter.
Frank Bullitt

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Michael

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I've been looking at Californians myself.....


Me too, a lot.


And another. I'm not sure if it would be best to buy a California or get a Transporter and have it converted. They must have the best residuals of anything with four wheels.
Roadsterstu

Frank Bullitt wrote:
I've just had a similar discussion with a relative who has recently sold his 'bay' T2 for £20k (having bought it for £6k a decade ago and apart from general maintenance has only spent real money on a partial respray), he has bought a T5 (air con, tailgate etc) and had it converted - they will use it for weekends away (like they did the 'bay') but it won't be used for holidays and that's the difference really, their week in Cornwall will will be in a cottage having used the T5 to get there rather than their Disco Sport.

We like spending a week here and there in the uk and a fortnight each summer in France, plus the odd weekend in good weather - the caravan should be ideal for this use, okay I have to tow it but when I get there it will have all the comfort we need and want really. Next summer we are off to Cyprus (not in the caravan!) so I suspect we will do a shorter trip to France for May half term.

I do fancy a motorhome one day but that's part of the retirement plan where we tour moving on every few days for weeks on end with all the comfort and a pair of bikes for local biffing about - however, we might just find a more expensive caravan suits when it comes to it.


For me, the idea of a motorhome is too compromised unless it's large enough to tow a small car. The VW T5 option is very much the "lifestyle" thing of the moment and I can see tbe appeal to a certain extent but they are far too small and you need the tent annexe if you have kids and are going for a longer break. A good mate of mine is in Cornwall in his at the moment. His is his every day car. There's no way I would want to do every single journey in a van, as good as it was to Paris and back last summer. As an aside, I'd love to know how many fucking VW vans are in Cornwall at this time of year!
Frank Bullitt

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Frank Bullitt

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Big Blue

Nice colour. About a gazillion times better for a DS4 than silver.
Martin

That does look really smart, lovely colour.
Twelfth Monkey

Oops, a bit late to this!  Glad you are enjoying it - the colour really does suit the car very well.
Big Blue

As I'm here in France it struck me: the DS4 looks several times nicer in the metal than in photos.
Boxer6

That looks very nice indeed.

Here's to many happy miles (and equally happy ones towing your tin tent!)

Chris M Wanted a V-10

My wife would like a 'turD in the similar red colour that Renault offer; the DS looks good in red too
PG

Till I saw the side view, I'd forgotten the DS4 has hidden rear door handles. Nice touch.

You treat your camera very well - giving it its own seat.  
Martin

Just looking at the pictures again as I didn't notice the camera....can't believe the DS5 has less rear legroom!  You can't really fit anyone with feet behind the drivers seat as you've got it set the DS5 must be up against the rear cushion.  

Does the DS5 have a longer rear seat cushion, making the knee room appear less when it isn't?  The DS4 looks quite short, using the car seat as a good reference.
Michael

Access to the rear does look challenging. Nice colour, I hope you enjoy it.
Frank Bullitt

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PhilD

Well done on buying the worst car on sale

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/ds/ds-4-review/

(actually the answer to the headline is no, in fact it doesn't match the article - clearly a sub-editor with an axe to grind)

I did wonder when ruminating about your need for a bigger diesel whether you had bought a caravan but like Martin thought the DS4 too small. Obviously not.  It does look too nice to be doing it though!
Frank Bullitt

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Bob Sacamano

Frank Bullitt wrote:


Caravan is being collected half 4 on Friday then it's a trip away for the weekend relatively local - looking forward to it.


I do hope you're watching this:

http://www.channel5.com/show/carry-on-caravanning

Let it serve as a warning.  

The guy doing the video blogging about the best loo paper for your caravan toilet is my hero.
Frank Bullitt

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PhilD

I actually watched this, very entertaining!

http://bbc.in/2bkQAZM
PG

PhilD wrote:
I actually watched this, very entertaining!

http://bbc.in/2bkQAZM


Caravanner of the Year. That's quite an accolade..
TreVoR

I watched that this afternoon for a laugh. The 42 year old with the bad combover living with his mother!  
Andy C

TreVoR wrote:
I watched that this afternoon for a laugh. The 42 year old with the bad combover living with his mother!  


I thought Alan was in his 50s?
Martin

I may have mentioned this before, but my Uncle was a race winning caravanner (sponsored by Opel) back in the 70s and I watched him at Silverstone, Oulton Park and a few other circuits in the UK.  He slept in the caravan the night before / between qualifying and racing, trying to keep it in one piece.   He raced against Tony Pond in one race iirc.

I think the caravan club set it up partly to get the speed limit increased.

They have a section on it in the national motor museum and it's how caravanner of the year should be contested now.

http://nationalmotormuseum.org.uk/road_rally_the_legacy
Roadsterstu

Car looks good, FB, although the ride height looks as though it should be half what it is. Good colour, though.

Do you have the back rest for FB Junior's seat? It's the same as Evan's seat and I still use the back rest for now as it positions the belt across the shoulder properly.
PG

TreVoR wrote:
I watched that this afternoon for a laugh. The 42 year old with the bad combover living with his mother!  


Who he nearly ran over in the reversing test as she wandered aimlessly about behind the caravan.
Frank Bullitt

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PhilD

Roadsterstu wrote:
Car looks good, FB, although the ride height looks as though it should be half what it is..


What is going on with the ride height?
Frank Bullitt

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PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Roadsterstu wrote:
Car looks good, FB, although the ride height looks as though it should be half what it is..


What is going on with the ride height?


Erm, nothing...?!


Any chat on your Citroen forums about lowering DS4s?
Michael

Didn't Citroen originally plan this as an SUV but bottle it at the last minute? No future in the segment, after all.
PhilD

3-box saloons are the future Michael!

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