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Big Blue

F1 in trouble....

...or so says di Montezemelo.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114486

I have to agree on the internet / social media side of things. I subscribe to motoGP on their own platform of Internet / Apps. This means I can watch the races live or whenever else I like for a small fee (Ä99 per season which is about what the SKY TV programme-set my friend has is per month). The catch-up is great as the time-banner is marked with incidents of note (passes, crashes, super-slow-mo, start, finish, interviews etc.). Sky F1 does the same, I'm sure, but you have to pay for a load of other stuff you didn't really want and they restrict the number of devices that your account be associated with. With the motoGP site I can use my account login anywhere in the world on any machine.

Now, I'm quite old for all that compared to "young viewers" to the extent that I got into Grand Prix motorcycling long before they were born and remember that it was utter STARVATION on TV for races and you had to rely on MCN reports the Wednesday after a race for decent pictures, reports, gossip, news etc. Then Duke Videos came along with a season-ending video to actually SEE some racing bikes and all this was when F1 was already live on the BBC every other week. Back then there were no other distractions on a Sunday: no Football on a Sunday, no 999 TV channels, no internet, no tablets etc. so selling F1 for a high price and living the high life on it was simple. Trying to use that model in 2014 is just driving casual and armchair viewers away. Why pay a shed load of cash for a TV channel to watch 10 events live per year when I can see oodles of other interesting and colourful things for free on my iPAD?

Bernie is quoted as saying that F1 is commercial: "if they pay us for that stuff we'll do it". Fair enough but a the sponsors are saying: "er, we are paying you and we expect you to be providing the stuff of the 21st century in return" but I'm sure if Santander (a massive F1 sponsor) or Mercedes-Benz (a massive F1 Sponsor) wanted to show live / delayed highlights on their websites then F1 would go into a mad litigious fury. No doubt di Montezemelo has advisers of a different flavour to Bernie and they are clearly on a different path of modernity in terms of sport and media interaction. One thing I think is inevitable though is that a change will come sooner than later as if sponsors start questioning the viability then the problems really begin - ask McLaren.
Eff One

Pure self-interest, nothing more. LDM's voice was notably absent from the chorus of complaint during the borefest that was Ferrari's domination of F1 a decade ago.

The man is a complete and utter cunt and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near an F1 paddock.
Tim

I'd like to see all the races on council telly, included in my TV licence.
I'm really not interested in watching or keeping up with it on social media.
simonp

Sky charge £10 for a 24 hour pass to access their sports channels if you're not already a customer (via NowTV).
Martin

It didn't cost me any more to watch F1 on SKY when they took it on, so it feels like I'm getting it for free. †I've tried the BBC out since and didn't like it. †I'm sure that it's partly because I'm used to the SKY way of doing things now and mainly because of Brundle and a lack of EJ, but I like the way its presented and the detailed insight.

I'm not sure how you get to nearly £100 a month with SKY, I pay £57.25 but that includes my line rental, all calls and broadband as well as the TV package. †I know people who pay nearly that for their mobile, which really is mad!  I don't bother with my own mobile, I'm quite happy with my employer picking up the bill.
Humphrey The Pug

simonp wrote:
Sky charge £10 for a 24 hour pass to access their sports channels if you're not already a customer (via NowTV).


That doesn't get you both the qualifying and race though, unless you part with £20.

I wonder if switching to Sky and also having to buy the whole Sky Sports package to watch F1 has not particularly worked well in terms of revenue and audience figures in the UK?
Martin

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I wonder if switching to Sky and also having to buy the whole Sky Sports package to watch F1 has not particularly worked well in terms of revenue and audience figures in the UK?


Is that what they make you do now?  I don't have the Sports package, it was/is free because I have HD.  If I had to pay for all Sports to get it I may well feel different, but I'd still pay to watch every race.
Big Blue

Eff One wrote:
Pure self-interest, nothing more. LDM's voice was notably absent from the chorus of complaint during the borefest that was Ferrari's domination of F1 a decade ago.

The man is a complete and utter cunt and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near an F1 paddock.


Interview from 2001. This is about spreading the F1 message and even then he was of the opinion that pay-per-view and non-terrestial-only TV was a no-go zone. Sponsors want maximum exposure not exposure to those that want to be exposed to.
Humphrey The Pug

Martin wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I wonder if switching to Sky and also having to buy the whole Sky Sports package to watch F1 has not particularly worked well in terms of revenue and audience figures in the UK?


Is that what they make you do now? †I don't have the Sports package, it was/is free because I have HD. †If I had to pay for all Sports to get it I may well feel different, but I'd still pay to watch every race.


Yep, if I want F1 I have to buy the whole package now and I'm just not prepared to do that for 1-2 races a month, Martin if you change your Sky package at all you may lose the F1 from your HD pack.
Martin

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Martin if you change your Sky package at all you may lose the F1 from your HD pack.


Thanks, I'll bear that in mind.  I wouldn't put it past them!
Eff One

Martin wrote:
It didn't cost me any more to watch F1 on SKY when they took it on, so it feels like I'm getting it for free. †I've tried the BBC out since and didn't like it.


It only comes as part of Sky Sports now, which means an extra £22 on top of one of their standard bundles. It's a non-starter for me - and surely for tens of thousands of others.

I bought a couple of Now TV passes for the Monaco GP weekend (which wasn't live on the Beeb) and enjoyed the coverage - especially having Brundle back. But I didn't find it wildly better than the BBC. Brundle and Ant Davidson are great, but Crofty and their pitlane woman are bloody annoying.

Incidentally, you can get a Now TV box and five day passes for £35.
Martin

Meant to say I didn't like it as much, not that I didn't like it at all.

£22 a month would make me think twice, as I don't watch any other sport, but I'm pretty sure we'd still subscribe as we both enjoy watching it, Lindsay probably even more than me.

So that's only £11 each with man maths  
PhilD

What do you make of the F1 show? I caught it a few weeks ago at a friends house and enjoyed it. Its stuff like that that would tempt me to add skysports/F! to my TV package not just the races themselves.
Martin

I don't watch it all that often, as it gets very repetitive, but it can be a good show.   The classic races (highlights) are pretty good too.
Frank Bullitt

Martin wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Martin if you change your Sky package at all you may lose the F1 from your HD pack.


Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. †I wouldn't put it past them!


Indeed. I also had the £10 Sky HD package upgrade which gave me free F1 but got rid of it a while back then realised they no longer offered this package so would need Sky Sports to get it back.  Do not get rid of your HD!!! Now I, on virgin and would happily pay for F1 alone but not the whole Sports package.
Martin

I'd never get rid of HD, I won't watch something if it's only available in SD!
Sav

Formula 1ís reluctance to utilise social media is an issue, but for me, a bigger issue is the proliferation in TV coverage going to TV networks that make the sport more inaccessible to watch for committed and casual audiences alike.

For the decades F1ís great strength has been attracting a wider audience that doesnít only consist of diehard racing enthusiasts. I question whether F1 will retain that wider audience if it is broadcasted on subscription channels that make it harder to follow the sport, and people are less likely to accidentally view F1 compared to coverage on BBC, ITV, Channel 4 etc.

I agreed with something else Luca di Montezemolo said. Few people really watch motor racing for efficiency. I think the lack of noise and type of noise is still an issue. Racing in the flesh has almost always offered something that punters canít see anywhere else, dazzling noise is one of the great USPís of attending a racing event. I think the current powertrain regulations were required just to retain two of the three current engine makers, but it doesnít mean the cars canít sound more exciting and canít wow spectators and TV viewers once again.
Twelfth Monkey

Martin wrote:
I'd never get rid of HD, I won't watch something if it's only available in SD!


That's silly, surely.  A few of the films we record on spec aren't in HD, and I'd be missing out in not doing so.
Tim

Sav wrote:

I agreed with something else Luca di Montezemolo said. Few people really watch motor racing for efficiency. I think the lack of noise and type of noise is still an issue. Racing in the flesh has almost always offered something that punters canít see anywhere else, dazzling noise is one of the great USPís of attending a racing event. I think the current powertrain regulations were required just to retain two of the three current engine makers, but it doesnít mean the cars canít sound more exciting and canít wow spectators and TV viewers once again.


I agree about the efficiency thing but surely engines sounded their best in the 3.5 litre era rather than the screamers from more recently?
How about a nice V10 or V12, limited to something like 12k revs?
Mind you the original turbo era 1.5s didn't sound too bad.

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