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Chris M Wanted a V-10

F1 GP Monaco - quotes after the race

Make me laugh, from Autosport's live text commentary:

13:59 Rosberg and Hamilton do not seem to be exchanging much in the way of congratulations on the podium.
Sav

It was a fairly interesting GP for Monaco. Stand out performance was Bianchi; first points for Marussia, and the first points scoring finish of the new teams that entered in 2010. Glad to see John Booth smiling, he ran Manner Motorsport so well in Formula 3; it is good to see him getting some moderate success in F1 finally.

Kimi’s move on Magnussen almost went to plan, Kimi just about ran out of space at the hairpin. Kimi’s puncture was such a shame, as his start and run into turn 1 was superb – it was opportunistic like Alonso quite often.

I think the Mercedes battle will go down the wire, but Lewis' expectations today were unrealistic. Rosberg was always going to get priority in pitstops, they were unlikely to call Lewis in before the Safety Car got deployed to jump Rosberg. I'm surprised why now that the pits are open under caution, more drivers didn't pit whilst the officials hesitated deploying the SC. Oh well.
BeN

It's 2007 all over again, yeah? Except substitute Alonso for Rosberg, and the absence of a third lurking contender to snatch the title away at the last...
Big TC

I think Hamilton let himself down quite a lot with his post-raced comments.

He surely realises that he just has the edge over Rosberg at most races, so he should prevail at the end of the year, so long as he doesn't make any unforced errors.

Today's race was just one of those that he had to concede to Rosberg - he can't win them all (even if his massive ego expects that he should).
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Big TC wrote:
Today's race was just one of those that he had to concede to Rosberg - he can't win them all (even if his massive ego expects that he should).

Yup.  Rosberg drove to the far end of the sliproad when he had his off in qualifying, so it was bad luck for Hamilton.  Not sure if the yellow flags should have been waved or not, but that wasn't Rosberg's decision to make.
Monaco is just a crap circuit with no real room for overtaking so once he'd not got pole he should have been prepared to settle for second place.
As you said, you can't win them all
PhilD

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Big TC wrote:
Today's race was just one of those that he had to concede to Rosberg - he can't win them all (even if his massive ego expects that he should).

Yup.  Rosberg drove to the far end of the sliproad when he had his off in qualifying, so it was bad luck for Hamilton.


According to BBC he did but I've also seen it reported that he reversed back onto the track??
Sav

PhilD wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Big TC wrote:
Today's race was just one of those that he had to concede to Rosberg - he can't win them all (even if his massive ego expects that he should).

Yup.  Rosberg drove to the far end of the sliproad when he had his off in qualifying, so it was bad luck for Hamilton.


According to BBC he did but I've also seen it reported that he reversed back onto the track??


Yep. Magnussen's reverse at St Devote was worse - almost back onto the racing line.
PhilD

Sav wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Big TC wrote:
Today's race was just one of those that he had to concede to Rosberg - he can't win them all (even if his massive ego expects that he should).

Yup.  Rosberg drove to the far end of the sliproad when he had his off in qualifying, so it was bad luck for Hamilton.


According to BBC he did but I've also seen it reported that he reversed back onto the track??


Yep. Magnussen's reverse at St Devote was worse - almost back onto the racing line.


so he did reverse? and got away with it?!
simonp

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Rosberg drove to the far end of the sliproad when he had his off in qualifying


People learn from their mistakes. Or, in this case, from Michael Schumacher's mistakes.
Eff One

So was Rosberg's off in Q3 deliberate?

Several of my fellow karters - whose opinions I trust - are unequivocal that it was. So is Mark Hughes at Motorsport. Most of the Sky broadcasting team and the Monaco stewards (including Derek Warwick) say that it wasn't.

I'm on the fence.

But I would be deeply disappointed if it was deliberate. I'd expect someone like Rosberg to understand that if you win by cheating, the whole competition is rendered meaningless.
Big Blue

Regardless of how or what Rosberg did or didn't do Hamilton's attitude will do for him (Hamilton) in a war of minds with Rosberg. He's a German / Finn and will just laugh off anyone else's opinion of them and carry on as if there was nothing to it. Hamilton will let it fester and whenever any minor or major issue occurs with his car or powerplant it will be because Rosberg is favoured.

Pissed off about Kimi's race. I mean, REALLY pissed off.
Humphrey The Pug

I think it was deliberate; look at the trackside camera footage as he is coming down the hill towards the corner that he went off, he is clearly trying to unsettle the car and on the incar footage you can see him sawing at the wheel way before the corner whilst going in a straight line.

Also look at his hands frantically trying to select reverse when he is in the run off road.
Humphrey The Pug

Big Blue wrote:
Pissed off about Kimi's race. I mean, REALLY pissed off.


Yep, same here, the last two races he has been up there with Alonso, finally and seemed to have the measure of him this weekend just gone and then he gets a bloody puncture.
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
Regardless of how or what Rosberg did or didn't do Hamilton's attitude will do for him (Hamilton) in a war of minds with Rosberg. He's a German / Finn and will just laugh off anyone else's opinion of them and carry on as if there was nothing to it. .


Erm no, he’s a spoilt little brat brought up in Monaco, up against a spoilt little brat from the Bronx (Stevenage). There will be hair pulling and tears before bedtime!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Eff One wrote:
So was Rosberg's off in Q3 deliberate?
.....Most of the Sky broadcasting team and the Monaco stewards (including Derek Warwick) say that it wasn't.

Probably becasue they can't actually prove it.
Eff One wrote:

I'd expect someone like Rosberg to understand that if you win by cheating, the whole competition is rendered meaningless.

He may understand, but that probably won't stop him from gloating and basking in glory
Boxer6

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I think it was deliberate; look at the trackside camera footage as he is coming down the hill towards the corner that he went off, he is clearly trying to unsettle the car and on the incar footage you can see him sawing at the wheel way before the corner whilst going in a straight line.

Also look at his hands frantically trying to select reverse when he is in the run off road.


Something Coulthard and co commented on immediately afterwards.

For what it's worth, it looked a deliberate act to me, though as also said by the commentators, he couldn't be certain events would unfold as they did. Fair odds though I'd have thought, and worth the play if he were so inclined. We'll probably never know the truth of it.

As an aside, my cousins' husband works (in some technical capacity - aero I think) for Marussia, and was practically incoherent when he phoned her on Sunday night. Knowing him, there's every possibility that a wee vino or 10 was involved somewhere!
Eff One

Boxer6 wrote:
As an aside, my cousins' husband works (in some technical capacity - aero I think) for Marussia, and was practically incoherent when he phoned her on Sunday night. Knowing him, there's every possibility that a wee vino or 10 was involved somewhere!


True of the whole team I'm sure - was delighted for them, definitely the feel-good story of the weekend. They have, on the quiet, made a big step forward - Chilton topping the times on one day of the Barcelona test was tyre-assisted for sure, but would have been unthinkable under any conditions pre-season.
PhilD

Boxer6 wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
I think it was deliberate; look at the trackside camera footage as he is coming down the hill towards the corner that he went off, he is clearly trying to unsettle the car and on the incar footage you can see him sawing at the wheel way before the corner whilst going in a straight line.

Also look at his hands frantically trying to select reverse when he is in the run off road.


Something Coulthard and co commented on immediately afterwards.

For what it's worth, it looked a deliberate act to me, though as also said by the commentators, he couldn't be certain events would unfold as they did. Fair odds though I'd have thought, and worth the play if he were so inclined. We'll probably never know the truth of it.



Kryten and Gobshite kept banging on about this; how he wouldn’t have known that Ham’s lap would be spoilt, and how he drove to the end of the run-off, and how the stewards cleared him, blah blah blah but if he did reserve onto the track then it’s pretty obvious how it would unfold. Isn’t there in car footage of Ham lifting off and cruising past Rosbergs stricken car? I also read that as reversing isn’t illegal outside of the pit lane this bit wasn’t looked at by the stewards, which makes absolutely no sense.

Btw – I have no dog in this fight, I think the whole thing is hilarious and just what F1 needs!
Giant

I think it was deliberate. It may not have been good sportsmanship but world championships are very rarely won by the nice guy, see Vettel v Webber, hakkinen v Coulthard, Schumi v everyone etc, not that I'm suggesting Hamilton is 'the nice guy', just that this has proved that Rosberg isn't. It was a risk as he couldn't have been sure yellow flags would have been waved or he could have been punished by the stewards, but it paid off.
Rosberg agreed with the interviewer on 5live who suggested it had been vital to stop Hamilton's momentum at this race and as BB said above, the manor of it will fester within Hamilton to his detriment.

An excellent weekend for Rosberg.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Giant wrote:
... the manor of it will fester within Hamilton to his detriment.

I wouldn't bet on it. Buton has been quoted as saying that when he was team-mates with Lewis and things didn't go Lewis's way, he came back at the next race and just blew Button away.

Would love to see Lewis win Canada by half a lap or more
Twelfth Monkey

Big TC wrote:
I think Hamilton let himself down quite a lot with his post-raced comments.

He surely realises that he just has the edge over Rosberg at most races, so he should prevail at the end of the year, so long as he doesn't make any unforced errors.

Today's race was just one of those that he had to concede to Rosberg - he can't win them all (even if his massive ego expects that he should).


I'd agree with that, Hamilton comes across as a mardy yoof when he's like this.  My heart does not bleed.

That said, Rosberg did seem to be deliberate in unsettling the car.  Not that I'm an expert...
Tim

Hamilton makes it almost impossible to like him - just when he finally stops wearing his sunglasses at every opportunity he makes some childish comments like last weekend. I had to turn the sound off as he was making me feel uncomfortable and annoyed.
He was certain he was going to get pole position with the lap that got 'ruined'. Sure he was    There would've been no mistakes anywhere in the lap would there?
It would've been nice to see a still-shot comparison of his lap with Rosberg's pole lap in the same way they did with Rosberg's 2 laps.

As for Rosberg looking like he was trying to unsettle the car?
Well, maybe that's true or maybe he had overdone the 'harvesting' thing and the back end was unsettled by braking?
Skyhook

Tim wrote:

It would've been nice to see a still-shot comparison of his lap with Rosberg's pole lap in the same way they did with Rosberg's 2 laps.


Ant Davidson did on Sky - Hamilton was fractionally behind Rosberg before the 'incident', but about to enter the sector where he was usually quicker than Rosberg.

Hamilton doesn't make it easy to like him at times, for all the skill he has on track. Easy to comment from the sofa of course but he could've used his interviews for devilment -

"Yes I lost pole, but I can take confidence cos if Rosberg did have an accident it was because he was over his skill limit to try and beat me, and if he did cheat then that's cos it's the only way he can be faster than me. I win, so ner ner ner".

Ok, maybe that wouldn't be better...
Big Blue

Tim wrote:
Hamilton makes it almost impossible to like him


Yep. He's a great driver but his media persona is just bottom of the barrel stuff. Alonso is a great driver (best on the grid at present IMHO) and also gob-shites his team and team mates, but in a snide way such that it makes him slightly harder to dislike (although I'm imagining there are lots in the UK that hate him for his behaviour at McLaren). Kimi and Button are the media-role-models at either end of the spectrum. Pick one of those as a persona, Hamilton, and you're on to a winner.
Humphrey The Pug

Big Blue wrote:
Tim wrote:
Hamilton makes it almost impossible to like him


Yep. He's a great driver but his media persona is just bottom of the barrel stuff. Alonso is a great driver (best on the grid at present IMHO) and also gob-shites his team and team mates, but in a snide way such that it makes him slightly harder to dislike (although I'm imagining there are lots in the UK that hate him for his behaviour at McLaren). Kimi and Button are the media-role-models at either end of the spectrum. Pick one of those as a persona, Hamilton, and you're on to a winner.


The problem with Hamilton is that he just comes across as a spoilt immature child when things don't go his way plus there is his image; dark glasses, diamond earings, celeb girlfriend, gangsta mates, constant selfies on instagram etc, all of these these things just make him unlikeable.

With Alonso he is doesn't get all humpy or sorry for himself or woe is me, he makes a little comment about the team not performing as they should and then moves on.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Big Blue wrote:
Alonso is a great driver (best on the grid at present IMHO) and also gob-shites his team and team mates, but in a snide way such that it makes him slightly harder to dislike (although I'm imagining there are lots in the UK that hate him for his behaviour at McLaren).

Hamilton's behaviour since always makes me wonder if the incredible biased British press told us the true story about the 2007 season.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Humphrey The Pug wrote:

The problem with Hamilton is that he just comes across as a spoilt immature child when things don't go his way plus there is his image.....

indeed, especially when he says that he came from a humble background in Stevenage with nothing, so is grateful for everything that he has now.

Maybe he came good too soon, and from his first GP realised that actually, he is rather good at this F1 lark, and his brain got infiltrated by Ron-speak, the press, and other bad influences/influencers? At least when his dad was his manager his comments tended to be not that bad (although admittedly is based on what we read in the press, and not necessarily what really went on)
PhilD

When someone bangs on about how humble and blessed they are or how they have found happiness and inner peace etc etc you know full well how they will react when things aren’t going well. Anyone on Facebook will recognise friends like this!
Scouse

Mark Hughes in Motorsport reckons it was deliberate:

So did he do it on purpose? The front-on shot was the most damning for him. It showed him sawing away at the wheel as if correcting a squirming rear end under braking – except the rear wasn’t squirming at all but simply following his lead on the steering.

He’d been a bit messy into Massenet, got quite out of shape over the Casino crest, ensuring he was already 0.1sec slower than his first run at the same point. He was further towards the centre of the track than you’d normally be there, but not by an outrageous amount and by the time he reached the turn-in point, visually the car was comfortably slowed down enough that he’d still make the turn.

Instead, he locked up his front brakes and headed for the escape road. The stewards later said they could ‘find no evidence’ that he’d done it deliberately. “Yes, of course it was deliberate,” said a multiple Grand Prix-winning colleague. “But he’s never going to tell anyone. He doesn’t need to.”

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/reports/2014-monaco-gp-report/
gooner

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Alonso is a great driver (best on the grid at present IMHO) and also gob-shites his team and team mates, but in a snide way such that it makes him slightly harder to dislike (although I'm imagining there are lots in the UK that hate him for his behaviour at McLaren).

Hamilton's behaviour since always makes me wonder if the incredible biased British press told us the true story about the 2007 season.


It has started to look that way. The rot set in shortly after his championship year. From then on he was driving a car that was not up to the standard of Vettel's Red Bull and he hasn't coped well with it. To the point, it seems, that he appears to act like he has a devine right to be crowned. 2014 champion and is quick to start attacking Rosberg when he doesn't win. Thus is then coupled to Rosberg taking exactly the same attitude having waited a long time to be in a star that's at the front of the grid.

I personally like Mercedes attitude that so once Hamilton and Rosberg bag the constructors title, if they are still battling for the drivers title they can do what they like. That could make for an interesting last few races later this year.
Tim

It occurred to me over the weekend that the media, and perhaps Hamilton, were blowing this all out of proportion by comparing it to the Senna/Prost situation.

It might develop to that stage but really it's a little bit of fuss about a tiny incident in qualifying.

If Hamilton was as good as he thinks it wouldnt've been an issue anyway - he would already have bagged pole.
Even Merc have said that he gets up to speed for the single lap much quicker than Rosberg.
Alf McQueef

Eff One wrote:
So was Rosberg's off in Q3 deliberate?

Several of my fellow karters - whose opinions I trust - are unequivocal that it was. So is Mark Hughes at Motorsport. Most of the Sky broadcasting team and the Monaco stewards (including Derek Warwick) say that it wasn't.

I'm on the fence.

But I would be deeply disappointed if it was deliberate. I'd expect someone like Rosberg to understand that if you win by cheating, the whole competition is rendered meaningless.


Watching live I thought it was an accident but on the in-car replay I think it was most likely deliberate -the sawing at the wheel early in the braking zone had no function except to make it look like he was in trouble, IMHO...

Lewis will still win the champs reliability aside - i agree he needs to stop being such a child. He had a right to ask questions but was too emotional. What was this shit about one eye being shut too? They both looked fine after the race. I drove half a test session at Bruntingthorpe and all the way home to Kent in my Caterham with one eye open after I rubbed the other one with a petrol soaked hand and I get crap in my eyes all the time mountain biking - they always look awful for a long time after.
BeN

Alex Yoong, which is who we have for commentator duties here in Asia, raised a theory over the incident. He said that it MIGHT not have been deliberate, but Rosberg was pushing hard with the thinking that if he makes a mistake, it would play into his hands.

So, subconsciously deliberate, somewhat.
Tim

BBC are saying that Del Boy Warwick has said Hamilton needs to 'man up' and get over it while Mika Hakinnen reckons he needs to try to learn to lose with dignity.
PR

Tim wrote:
BBC are saying that Del Boy Warwick has said Hamilton needs to 'man up' and get over it while Mika Hakinnen reckons he needs to try to learn to lose with dignity.


That might be difficult given he was indoctrinated from an early age at the Ron 'show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser' Dennis school of motorsport.
simonp

I've a feeling Da Ham will get his revenge by putting in an unmatchable qualifying time in Canada.
Tim

simonp wrote:
I've a feeling Da Ham will get his revenge by putting in an unmatchable qualifying time in Canada.


Yup.
It's what I would expect to see and it's the reason why his attitude at Monaco is so disappointing - he clearly has the pace to beat Rosberg at the majority of circuits but surely even his superego can see that he might be 100% dominant at all of them*.

















*On the basis of what we're seeing I don't think Da Ham's ego can actually accept that  

If this were the BBC website I'd be getting called a racist now.
PG

Big Blue wrote:
Kimi and Button are the media-role-models at either end of the spectrum. Pick one of those as a persona, Hamilton, and you're on to a winner.


Hamilton could not "do a Button" persona wise. So his only option is to just STFU and let his driving talk for him. Otherwise, as already said, he just comes over as a spoilt child.
Alf McQueef

Jenson Button is that rare thing in sport, a champion who is also a nice, genuine human being. As was Hill. Sadly it does not usually get you far in professional sport, but at least some people care about being decent human beings!
Humphrey The Pug

Alf McQueef wrote:
Jenson Button is that rare thing in sport, a champion who is also a nice, genuine human being. As was Hill. Sadly it does not usually get you far in professional sport, but at least some people care about being decent human beings!


A colleague's friend works at McLaren, he was saying that many of the "normal" staff are under strict instructions not to approach the drivers or talk to them unless the driver actually instigates any contact or conversation.

Button would happily approach and chat to anyone and had many friends there, he would sit and socialise with the everyday staff in the canteen for lunch and breaks, whereas Hamilton would avoid everyone and keep away and in my colleague's friends words "is a cock".
Big Blue

I'm fairly sure I remember JB was a twat when he was a teenager into his very early 20s but he grew up, like most other teenagers. WTF is wrong with Da Ham?
BeN

Big Blue wrote:
I'm fairly sure I remember JB was a twat when he was a teenager into his very early 20s but he grew up, like most other teenagers. WTF is wrong with Da Ham?


Could be that JB did struggle in his early years in F1, thereby giving him some perspective of how it's like to be at the bottom end. Hamilton has only really known winning ever since he started racing, so perhaps he's too proud to accept any less.

I think that whole Honda debacle was pretty sobering for JB too. I'm sure he must have felt at that time that his career was on the line when Honda pulled out.

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