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Chris M Wanted a V-10

F1 Game 2016 - Malaysia

Here we go again.... attempting to keep the 2016 challenge running in the face of apathy.
Bonus question: Bearing in mind the high possibility of a downpour that could reduce lap times for a while and/or halt the race, what will be the winner's total time from start to finish?
JohnC

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Hamilton
Bonus: 1hr 38mins 43s


1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Vettel
4. Verstappen
5. Raikkonen
6. Ricciardo
7. Hulkenburg
8. Perez
9. Bottas
10. Button
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Pole: Hamilton
F/Lap: Verstappen
Bonus: 1 hr 44m 45s

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Vettel
4. Raikkonen
5. Verstappen
6. Perez
7. Ricciardo
8. Button
9. Hulkenberg
10. Bottas
PhilD

Pole - Rosberg
F/L - Hamilton
Bonus - 1h 42m 12s

1) Rosberg
2) Hamilton
3) Vettel
4) Ricciardo
5) Raikkonen
6) Bottas
7) Verstappen
8) Massa
9) Alonso
Big Blue

Pole: Rosberg
FL: Vettel
Bonus: 1.41.37

1. Vettel
2. Rosberg
3. RšikkŲnen
4. Hamilton
5. Bottas
6. Verstappen
7. Ricciardo
8. Hulkenberg
9. Perez
10. Button
Sav

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest lap: Rosberg
Bonus: 1 hour, 34 mins

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Vettel
4. Ricciardo
5. Raikkonen
6. Verstappen
7. Perez
8. Bottas
9. Hulkenberg
10. Button
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Well, I'll forget about ordering that new Mercedes I have always aspired to own, then
PhilD

You'll be alright Chris, I mean they don't just blow up for anyone.
Frank Bullitt

Only for those with a chip on their shoulder m
Giant

Really enjoyed the engine blow up, what rotten luck!  
Humphrey The Pug

Really felt for Hamilton, just when he's pulled it round again, something else goes wrong for him.

As much as I find it hard to warm to him, as a driver he is far superior to Rosberg, who is only in the points position he is in due to Hamilton's unreliability.

Also Rosberg is just a whiny shit with zero personality, who cannot pull a decent overtake; another clumsy effort on Kimi there!

5 races to go, Hamilton can do it and has pulled through a similar points defecit earlier on in the year, in less races, it'll be hard though but I hope he does it.
Martin

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Really felt for Hamilton, just when he's pulled it round again, something else goes wrong for him.

As much as I find it hard to warm to him, as a driver he is far superior to Rosberg, who is only in the points position he is in due to Hamilton's unreliability.

Also Rosberg is just a whiny shit with zero personality, who cannot pull a decent overtake; another clumsy effort on Kimi there!

5 races to go, Hamilton can do it and has pulled through a similar points defecit earlier on in the year, in less races, it'll be hard though but I hope he does it.


Looks like we might be alone, but I agree with you!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

I agree too, and as a Brit, I want to see a Brit win the title hence my disappointment with Merc who made no secret a long time back that as a German company, they wanted to win the title with a German driver. Nico is considered as German so I recon (with my cynicism) that there is something going on - he can't win by out-driving Hamilton so something else has to happen......

Let's wait and see what pans out but there are certainly a fair number of Lewis fans who flew out to see him in Malaysia who are extremely disapointed (much more so than me) after yesterday's events
Martin

I don't think for one minute that Lewis is being given inferior equipment.
Humphrey The Pug

Martin wrote:
I don't think for one minute that Lewis is being given inferior equipment.


I don't either, it is odd though that he is having all of the failures.
Nice Guy Eddie

Martin wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Really felt for Hamilton, just when he's pulled it round again, something else goes wrong for him.

As much as I find it hard to warm to him, as a driver he is far superior to Rosberg, who is only in the points position he is in due to Hamilton's unreliability.

Also Rosberg is just a whiny shit with zero personality, who cannot pull a decent overtake; another clumsy effort on Kimi there!

5 races to go, Hamilton can do it and has pulled through a similar points defecit earlier on in the year, in less races, it'll be hard though but I hope he does it.



Looks like we might be alone, but I agree with you!


+1
Big Blue

Huge cheer in my living room when his car went bang,  a cheer later beaten by Koscielney's "goal" in the 93rd minute. My girls thought I'd been attacked by intruders.

I think Lewis is the driver of his generation, even above Alonso. He could well be the best F1 racer of all time and I wouldn't argue with any poll that came to that conclusion. But he's such a dickhead it's impossible to warm to him.
Frank Bullitt

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Martin wrote:
I don't think for one minute that Lewis is being given inferior equipment.


I don't either, it is odd though that he is having all of the failures.


There is one common factor when the equipment fails - the bit of flesh at the wheel, I think Rosberg is much more capable of mechanical sympathy (which perhaps makes him less exciting).

Everything says I should want Lewis to win but like BB, all I see is a Bell-end.
Nice Guy Eddie

I can't see that, its not as if these cars are being driven to the ragged edge as its all about conserving brakes, saving fuel, reenergising the recovery systems etc. and any component seen to be 'overused' would show up on telemetry. Just looks like bad luck to me. It happens but then the likes of Vettel and Alonso haven't exactly been blessed by the good luck fairies this year.
Humphrey The Pug

From what I've read, Hamilton is very easy on the car, only when he needs to does he, errrr put the hammer down, he is very good at managing the situation and not ragging the car, he certainly doesn't crash into others when overtaking and remember when we had fuel use readouts, he always used less fuel than Rosberg but was faster than Rosberg.
BeN

Bummer.

I agree very much with BB though.
PhilD

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
I agree too, and as a Brit, I want to see a Brit win the title hence my disappointment with Merc who made no secret a long time back that as a German company, they wanted to win the title with a German driver. Nico is considered as German so I recon (with my cynicism) that there is something going on - he can't win by out-driving Hamilton so something else has to happen......



Tinfoil hat for Chris!
Scouse

Big Blue wrote:
Huge cheer in my living room when his car went bang, †a cheer later beaten by Koscielney's "goal" in the 93rd minute. My girls thought I'd been attacked by intruders.

I think Lewis is the driver of his generation, even above Alonso. He could well be the best F1 racer of all time and I wouldn't argue with any poll that came to that conclusion. But he's such a dickhead it's impossible to warm to him.


This bit in spades.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Scouse wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Huge cheer in my living room when his car went bang, †a cheer later beaten by Koscielney's "goal" in the 93rd minute. My girls thought I'd been attacked by intruders.

I think Lewis is the driver of his generation, even above Alonso. He could well be the best F1 racer of all time and I wouldn't argue with any poll that came to that conclusion. But he's such a dickhead it's impossible to warm to him.


This bit in spades.

+1, but he's still a Brit and I'd prefer him to win over Rosberg
Giant

Scouse wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
Huge cheer in my living room when his car went bang, †a cheer later beaten by Koscielney's "goal" in the 93rd minute. My girls thought I'd been attacked by intruders.

I think Lewis is the driver of his generation, even above Alonso. He could well be the best F1 racer of all time and I wouldn't argue with any poll that came to that conclusion. But he's such a dickhead it's impossible to warm to him.


This bit in spades.


Not sure I'd rate him quite as highly, but he's clearly far superior to Rosberg. However, life's not fair and championships arent handed out based on talent alone. As BB says, he's impossible to warm to. He's not even an antihero or villain as Schumacher was often cast, he's just a media trained prat.
gooner

Agree but I'd rather our best driver wasn't beaten by Ze Germans!
Giant

gooner wrote:
Agree but I'd rather our best driver wasn't beaten by Ze Germans!


Why?

I like various drivers, for their driving and their personality. Their nationality is irrelevant.

If there was a fully British team with all British drivers, engineers and designers against an all German, an all French etc teams then I could perhaps understand patriotism being a driving factor. However most teams are based in the U.K. many (most?) with large numbers of british engineers and designers and most drivers live in Monaco and other tax havens.

I'm not being antagonistic, just curious.
Frank Bullitt

Agreed, Rosberg's nationality is of no interest especially as this is a team sport despite the obvious general appeal of single drivers.

By that yardstick you only have Button driving for a British team (with a Japanese engine so perhaps that doesn't count).

Oh, and it is 'Ze Germans' who foot the bill every time Hamilton wants a new piece of jewellery, tat or...erm...engine
Nice Guy Eddie

I think Hamiltons moonlighting for a huge amount of other brands might cover his fetish for bling.
BeN

I obviously don't have a patriotic stake in watching F1, so I generally support drivers who have decent personalities. I used to like Vettel when he first started out but his antics at Red Bull r.e. Webber left a bad taste. Hamilton I've always thought of negatively, especially in his first year at McLaren with that childish spat with Alonso.

Right now I don't have a favourite driver but I'd like to see Nico win just to shut Lewis up.
Scouse

Frank Bullitt wrote:
Agreed, Rosberg's nationality is of no interest especially as this is a team sport despite the obvious general appeal of single drivers.

By that yardstick you only have Button driving for a British team (with a Japanese engine so perhaps that doesn't count).

Oh, and it is 'Ze Germans' who foot the bill every time Hamilton wants a new piece of jewellery, tat or...erm...engine




I know he was born there, but Rosberg is more a marketing German, what with his Monagasque childhood, German mother and Finnish father and racing as Finnish or German prior to F1 as to what suited him better at the time.
gooner

Scouse wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
Agreed, Rosberg's nationality is of no interest especially as this is a team sport despite the obvious general appeal of single drivers.

By that yardstick you only have Button driving for a British team (with a Japanese engine so perhaps that doesn't count).

Oh, and it is 'Ze Germans' who foot the bill every time Hamilton wants a new piece of jewellery, tat or...erm...engine




I know he was born there, but Rosberg is more a marketing German, what with his Monagasque childhood, German mother and Finnish father and racing as Finnish or German prior to F1 as to what suited him better at the time.


Calm down it was merely a glib comment. I've no problem with the Germans really, especially as they've just built my new car for me. It doesn't mean I don't struggle to like Rosberg at times either, he can be a bit petty in the comments he makes rather (not that Hamilton's approach of blaming God is any better), although his bitterness towards Hamilton when he's not winning is understandable.
PhilD

Did anybody else see Ricciardo breaking the fourth wall?
gooner

PhilD wrote:
Did anybody else see Ricciardo breaking the fourth wall?


Is that an inuendo for something?
Humphrey The Pug

PhilD wrote:
Did anybody else see Ricciardo breaking the fourth wall?


Yep, loved it.
JohnC

Who broke the other 3?
PhilD

JohnC wrote:
Who broke the other 3?


Vestappen tends to get the blame these days.
Sav

Eddie and Humph are right. The engines are so carefully controlled with the plethora of settings; mechanical sympathy doesnít really come into the engines anymore. Itís the same story with the seamless shift gearboxes. If anything, it should have been Rosbergís engine going pop with all the overtaking he had to do in dirty air. That required using more RPM and more aggressive settings. Sure, Hamilton had to keep the Red Bullís at bay, but he had clean air and didnít need to overtake. Particularly since engine unit usage was limited over a season, drivers rarely use full revs during races. Same story with the turbo revs now as well. The limit is 125,000 rpm, but they donít run to that maximum very often.

The incidents were interesting. Firstly, I sympathise with Vettel for his contact with Rosberg. There was a legitimate gap on the inside. I thought this before the contact was initiated, but Rosberg very conservatively braked for turn 1, he gave up the outside of Hamilton very quickly, and perhaps that caught Vettel out. Itís the type of turn 1 that is so inviting with the sheer track width and the length of the braking zone, I respect Vettel for his decision; you canít act in retrospect in that type of situation. These drivers are desperate to overtake at the start because itís generally so difficult to overtake.

Stewards seem to like the view that the driver on the offensive is at blame, ignoring the potentially silly actions of those defending. IMO, this is why silly blocking and weaving is so prolific in modern motorsport. It was so ironic to see Verstappen complaining about Vettelís aggressiveness. Pot kettle blackÖ

As for Rosberg on Raikkonen in turn 2, I donít think Rosberg anything wrong. Raikkonen did the strange thing of defending the inside in turn 1, but he didnít defend at all in turn 2 and took such a wide line into the corner. If you leave the inside open, expect the gap to get filled, or someone to force that gap open. Raikkonenís defending was strange, on the preceding lap he defended against Rosberg when he didnít need to, costing himself time. If that sort of move isnít allowed, this signals a bad precedent. It was hard racing, and quite frankly, in the majority of other motorsport that move would have been a non-issue. Even 10 years ago that move wouldn have been a non-issue.

I also believe that Rosbergís move on Verstappen at Hockenheim was similarly a non-issue. Rosberg has been getting feisty in wheel-to-wheel combat and I like it. Heís been successful at coming out on top against other drivers. The nuance here is that he hasnít gone up against Hamilton and won. In Austria he scored an own goal when he had the definitive advantage on the inside. I want to see Rosberg win some wheel-to-wheel duals against Hamilton before deciding whether he would be a worthy champion.

The past champions like Alonso, Schumacher, Button, Vettel and Hamilton have not only been great racing drivers with stunning speed and skills, but theyíve demonstrated the ability to dominate their respective teammates. I donít think Rosberg has dominated Hamilton where it matters, when both have clean weekends without technical issues. Hamilton was very disappointing in Singapore, but apart from that, I donít think Rosberg has beaten Hamilton on speed so far this season.
PhilD

Sav wrote:
Lots of good stuff


As usual Sav. Rosberg gets a lot of stick for his clumsy driving and I'm sure some of it is justified but sometimes it's just lazy. The Raikkonen move looked good to me, set him up nicely then seized the opportunity like a classic boxers one-two combo.

He'll be worthy champion if he wins. Dominating a team mate may be a factor when deciding on greatness but it's not needed to be the champ.

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