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Scouse

F1 Game 2016 - Austria

Sorry for treading on your toes Doc.
How about we skip the bonus this round?

Pole: Rosberg
Fastest: Rosberg
Bonus:

1) Rosberg
2) Hamilton
3) Vettel
4) Massa
5) Bottas
6) Raikonen
7) Button
8) Riccardo
9) Verstappen
10) Alonso
Humphrey The Pug

Did wonder where this was.

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Hamilton

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Kimi
4. Bottas
5. Vettel
6. Perez
7. Ricciardo
8. Massa
9. Verstappen
10. Button
JohnC

Or we could use last year's bonus?:

Bonus question: fastest qualifying lap time by a driver who didn't get into Q3 (one point for closest)
the other ct

Pole Hamilton
Lap Rosberg
Bonus 1m 10.374s

1 Rosberg
2 Hamilton
3 Massa
4 Vettel
5 Bottas
6 Hulkenberg
7 Verstappen
8 Sainz
9 Perez
10 Alonso
BeN

Away this weekend. Again.

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest: Vettel

1) Hamilton
2) Rosberg
3) Vettel
4) Raikkonen
5) Bottas
6) Massa
7) Verstappen
8) Ricciardo
9) Magnussen
10) Alonso
JohnC

Pole Hamilton
Lap Hamilton
Bonus 1m 09.817s

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Ricciardo
4 Hulkenberg
5 Vettel
6 Raikonnen
7 Verstappen
8 Perez
9 Bottas
10 Button
Eff One

Pole: Rosberg
F/L: Hamilton
Bonus: 1.08.889

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Raikkonen
5. Ricciardo
6. Bottas
7. Hulkenberg
8. Sainz
9. Massa
10. Button
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Pole : Rosberg
F/Lap : Rosberg
Bonus : 1:08:622

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Ricciardo
5. Verstappen
6. Raikkonen
7. Bottas
8. Hulkenberg
9. Perez
10. Alonso
Big Blue

Pole: Rosberg
F/L: Rosberg
Bonus: 1.07.655

1. Rosberg
2. Vettel
3. Hamilton
4. Raikkonen
5. Bottas
6. Huldenberg
7. Perez
8. Verstappen
9. Ricciardo
10. Alonso
PhilD

Pole - Hanilton
F/L - Hamilton
Bonus - Theresa May

1) Rosberg
2) Hamilton
3) Vettel
4) Ricciardo
5) Raikkonen
6) Bottas
7) Verstappen
8) Massa
9) Alonso
10) Button
Sav

Pole: Rosberg
Fastest lap: Vettel
Bonus: 1:08.674

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen
4. Verstappen
5. Bottas
6. Vettel
7. Ricciardo
8. Massa
9. Sainz
10. Perez
Sav

Rosberg has been handed a five-place grid penalty for a gearbox change in Spielberg, after a hard crash on the exit of turn 2 in FP3.

A left rear wishbone failed on corner exit, sending him into a spin, hitting the barrier with the front and back ends. Me and my dad were deliberating about the gearbox change, the secondary rear-impact was fairly significant.

I've always liked this course; proof that tracks don't need to have 1:45 minute laps to be exciting. Keep it short, keep it simple and you can have great racing - like Interlagos as well.
BeN

What happened on that last lap there?!
PhilD

BeN wrote:
What happened on that last lap there?!


The inevitable!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

A true racer never gives up until he passes the chequered flag


(unless he disables his car on the way there.....)
Sav

I thought the race was outstanding. Button in particular had some great dices, it was sad to see him tumbling down the order, but he still beat some theoretically faster cars.

The final lap was another example of Rosberg and Hamilton in wheel-to-wheel combat, but as usual, it was Hamilton who came out on top. The team was very eager to point out about Rosberg’s braking troubles. It was visable to an extent; Rosberg had plumes of black dust coming from the fronts from about half way through the race. However, in that specific situation at turn 2 Nico didn’t look out of control under braking, he simply didn’t turn enough with the aim of running Lewis off the track.

Hamilton will make mistakes, no doubt. He was very calamitous in 2011; crashed in Baku during the qualifying, misjudged the restart at Silverstone last year, and Hungary 2016 was messy. However, he usually judges his overtaking and wheel-to-wheel combat just right. He plays dare devil and usually gets away with it. Rosberg clipped Hamilton’s tyre in 2014 at Spa, costing himself the win, and then today he couldn’t edge Hamilton off without ruining his own race. Look back to Austin last year, Montreal this year and Bahrain two years ago – Hamilton pushed the limits with Rosberg but came out on top without ruining his own race.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Sav wrote:
I thought the race was outstanding. Button in particular had some great dices, it was sad to see him tumbling down the order, but he still beat some theoretically faster cars.


If you look at the fastest race lap per driver (currently on the BBC Sports F1 results page) it makes you wonder how Button finished anything like as high as he did !  Pretty impressive performance and I hope that by this evening, Ch4 will have the highlights available to watch as they weren't available when I tried last night.



I'll also be very interested to see if Phil wins the bonus question....
JohnC

I see that Toto is contemplating the introduction of team rules in certain circumstances. If they had been in place there is no doubt that Hamilton would not have been allowed to pass Rosberg.

Rosberg was just an idiot with that accident. As Sav says, he just tried to run Hamilton off the road and then deliberately blocked him from getting back on. He should just have accepted that Hamilton was going past and settled for 2nd which was as good as he could expect in the circumstances. He seems incapable of rational thought in the heat of battle.
Humphrey The Pug

Team rules will be a shame as the only issues that I can re-call, between those two have been caused by Rosberg.

Rosberg is only in the championship position that he is in due to Hamilton's mis-fortune, if Hamilton hadn't had his issues in the early part of the season then he will be ahead and in a straight fight, Rosberg just cannot beat Hamilton and he cannot cope with the pressure.

Rosberg is also a complete and utter tit and seems to be the only person that cannot see that he was in the wrong, the penalty he received was weak too, particularly as he refused to let give way to Hamilton when he tried to re-join.

Silverstone should be fun and I can imagine that if Rosberg gets on the podium, the boo's will be far greater than the boo's that Hamilton received.
Bob Sacamano

Humphrey The Pug wrote:


Rosberg is also a complete and utter tit and seems to be the only person that cannot see that he was in the wrong, the penalty he received was weak too, particularly as he refused to let give way to Hamilton when he tried to re-join.



But he's a white German driving for a German team so he fits the bill for their advertising and PR.
Humphrey The Pug

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:


Rosberg is also a complete and utter tit and seems to be the only person that cannot see that he was in the wrong, the penalty he received was weak too, particularly as he refused to let give way to Hamilton when he tried to re-join.



But he's a white German driving for a German team so he fits the bill for their advertising and PR.


Hamilton is a far bigger draw and far more marketable than Rosberg will ever be.
PhilD

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:


Rosberg is also a complete and utter tit and seems to be the only person that cannot see that he was in the wrong, the penalty he received was weak too, particularly as he refused to let give way to Hamilton when he tried to re-join.



But he's a white German driving for a German team so he fits the bill for their advertising and PR.


Hamilton is a far bigger draw and far more marketable than Rosberg will ever be.


Not according to the boo boys yesterday!

I don't (fully) agree that Rosberg should have conceeded. He has shown da ham that he is willing to take them both out to protect his position, that could come in handy later in the season. It's all mind games innit!
Humphrey The Pug

PhilD wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:


Rosberg is also a complete and utter tit and seems to be the only person that cannot see that he was in the wrong, the penalty he received was weak too, particularly as he refused to let give way to Hamilton when he tried to re-join.



But he's a white German driving for a German team so he fits the bill for their advertising and PR.


Hamilton is a far bigger draw and far more marketable than Rosberg will ever be.


Not according to the boo boys yesterday!

I don't (fully) agree that Rosberg should have conceeded. He has shown da ham that he is willing to take them both out to protect his position, that could come in handy later in the season. It's all mind games innit!


He didn't not conceded, he just drove straight on; very different from taking a slightly wider line to push the overtaker wide; as others do and then almost taking him out again when Hamilton tries to re-join.
PhilD

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:


Rosberg is also a complete and utter tit and seems to be the only person that cannot see that he was in the wrong, the penalty he received was weak too, particularly as he refused to let give way to Hamilton when he tried to re-join.



But he's a white German driving for a German team so he fits the bill for their advertising and PR.


Hamilton is a far bigger draw and far more marketable than Rosberg will ever be.


Not according to the boo boys yesterday!

I don't (fully) agree that Rosberg should have conceeded. He has shown da ham that he is willing to take them both out to protect his position, that could come in handy later in the season. It's all mind games innit!


He didn't not conceded, he just drove straight on; very different from taking a slightly wider line to push the overtaker wide; as others do and then almost taking him out again when Hamilton tries to re-join.


You know what I mean, concede/except Ham was getting past/etc!
Nice Guy Eddie

Rosberg really wasn't thinking and his brainless move as Toto described really isn't how you protect a corner. All he had to do was hit the apex and he'd have been able to push out Hamilton onto the grass at corner exit, just like what Hamilton's done to him each time they get together.
Bob Sacamano

I genuinely believe that if he didn't have the Rosberg name he'd be nowhere near an F1 car.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I genuinely believe that if he didn't have the Rosberg name he'd be nowhere near an F1 car.


An interesting topic! Taken from Wiki:

-Rosberg, who spent much of his youth in Monaco with his family, still lives in the principality and speaks French, Italian, German, English and Spanish fluently. His father deliberately chose not to teach him Finnish, concentrating on those other languages which would be more important for Nico's life and racing career.

-Rosberg started out in karting at the age of six

-Rosberg then moved up to German Formula BMW in 2002, where he won the title. His performances resulted in a move to drive for his father's team in Formula 3 Euro Series.

So groomed from an early age to be in F1. Are you saying had all of the above happened, but he wasn't a Rosberg, he wouldn't have been give a chance in an F1 car?
PhilD

Oh, and Sav,as our resident F1 expect, what's "Anal Beading"?


JohnC

Bob Sacamano wrote:
I genuinely believe that if he didn't have the Rosberg name he'd be nowhere near an F1 car.


I think he is just as fast a anyone else and can put in the same lap times as the best of them.

His problems arise when he has to defend against someone and he seems to spend more time worrying about them than how to drive his own race - that's why he makes mistakes. He is a great driver but not quite such a good racer.
Bob Sacamano

PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I genuinely believe that if he didn't have the Rosberg name he'd be nowhere near an F1 car.


An interesting topic! Taken from Wiki:

-Rosberg, who spent much of his youth in Monaco with his family, still lives in the principality and speaks French, Italian, German, English and Spanish fluently. His father deliberately chose not to teach him Finnish, concentrating on those other languages which would be more important for Nico's life and racing career.

-Rosberg started out in karting at the age of six

-Rosberg then moved up to German Formula BMW in 2002, where he won the title. His performances resulted in a move to drive for his father's team in Formula 3 Euro Series.

So groomed from an early age to be in F1. Are you saying had all of the above happened, but he wasn't a Rosberg, he wouldn't have been give a chance in an F1 car?


So groomed from an early age because he was the son of a racing driver and all the advantages that entailed and then a move to his father's team. Sounds like the exact career route of every racing driver...

Yes, what I'm saying is if he'd been born Nico Smith he'd be nowhere near an F1 car now.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:
I genuinely believe that if he didn't have the Rosberg name he'd be nowhere near an F1 car.


An interesting topic! Taken from Wiki:

-Rosberg, who spent much of his youth in Monaco with his family, still lives in the principality and speaks French, Italian, German, English and Spanish fluently. His father deliberately chose not to teach him Finnish, concentrating on those other languages which would be more important for Nico's life and racing career.

-Rosberg started out in karting at the age of six

-Rosberg then moved up to German Formula BMW in 2002, where he won the title. His performances resulted in a move to drive for his father's team in Formula 3 Euro Series.

So groomed from an early age to be in F1. Are you saying had all of the above happened, but he wasn't a Rosberg, he wouldn't have been give a chance in an F1 car?


So groomed from an early age because he was the son of a racing driver and all the advantages that entailed and then a move to his father's team. Sounds like the exact career route of every racing driver...

Yes, what I'm saying is if he'd been born Nico Smith he'd be nowhere near an F1 car now.


But if he'd been groomed by John Smith and went to the JS Racing Team would he have got an F1 spot? Is it the name, the name plus the privilege, the name plus privilege plus talent? or some other combo?

We know that there have been lots of F1 drivers over the years who have benefitted from rich benefactors. As a sport it's a long way from "jumpers for goal posts" so how do you separate the genuinely gifted from the merely privileged?
Big Blue

Anyone saying Lewis "owned by Ron from childhood" Hamilton is just like the guy that decided to drive a race car at 18 and found they weren't too bad at it?
Chris M Wanted a V-10

PhilD wrote:
Oh, and Sav,as our resident F1 expect, what's "Anal Beading"?

Maybe it's one of the slang nicknames for "Frank Williams" ???  
Sav

Anal Beading –

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Rosberg really wasn't thinking and his brainless move as Toto described really isn't how you protect a corner. All he had to do was hit the apex and he'd have been able to push out Hamilton onto the grass at corner exit, just like what Hamilton's done to him each time they get together.


This in a nutshell. It’s easy for me to say, but I don’t think Rosberg should have conceded the position, instead he should have turned into the corner like normal, but deliberately rammed Hamilton off the track on corner exit. Hamilton would have had to concede on the run-off. This brings me back to point; Hamilton can nudge Rosberg and push the limits without actually getting into trouble – Bahrain 2014, Austin 2015, Japan 2015 and Montreal 2016 are fine examples of this. But that is the sign of a great racer who knows the limits, and can race hard on the limit without creating a mess.

Rosberg has demonstrated great race craft throughout his career. He was fantastic in GP2, and his debut in F1 was quite something with the overtaking he achieved. Indeed, Rosberg has proven he can overtake Raikkonen, Ricciardo, Vettel and others with great skill and judgement. But then comes Hamilton, and it’s almost like he overreacts and chokes because he is so desperate to beat Hamilton in a wheel-to-wheel dual.

Of course, this is all positive for F1. We’re discussing a last lap pass for the win in F1, at last! I do believe the wider variation in tyre allocations is providing some fantastic racing this year – yesterday’s GP was genuinely fantastic.

If Bernd Maylander didn't know how his Mercedes GT-S handled before Austria, he does now. I can't remember the last time that the Safety Car was deployed in every single race during a weekend where GP2/3 were present - including the Grand Prix. The Porsche Supercup race had 3 outings for the Safety Car in only 16 laps. Messy weekend.

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