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Dr. Hfuhruhurr

F1 Game 2015 - Australia

Here we go then (well, in five weeks' time). New season, same rules:
- guess the top ten finishers (three points for each correct one, one point if one place out)
- guess the pole sitter and fastest lapper (one point for each)
- answer the bonus question: average speed (in kmh) of the fastest race lap

Deadline: Friday 13 March 2359 GMT
Humphrey The Pug

It's come round quick.

Will FI be racing?!
JohnC

First of the year and first to stick my neck out:

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Rosberg
Bonus: 212.12 Km/hr

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Bottas
5. Vettel  
6. Raikonnen  
7. Hulkenberg
8. Kvyat
9. Massa
10.Ericcson
Big Blue

Whilst I'm doing other FF1s:

Pole: Rosberg
F/L: Vettel
Bonus: 213.4 Km/hr

1. Rosberg
2. Bottas
3. Ricciardo
4. Vettel
5. Hamilton  
6. Massa  
7. Raikkonen
8. Kvyat
9. Sainz
10. Grosjean
BeN

I'll be away this weekend, so...ho hum.

1) Hamilton
2) Rosberg
3) Bottas
4) Magnussen
5) Vettel
6) Raikkonen
7) Button
8) Kyvat
9) Ricciardo
10) Massa

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest: Hamilton
Bonus: 210km/h
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Pole/lap Hamilton
Bonus 211.3

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Vettel
4 Raikkonen
5 Bottas
6 Massa
7 Ricciardo
8 Kvyat
9 Button
10 Hulkenberg
Scouse

Pole Rosberg
Lap Hamilton
Bonus 209.7.3

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Bottas
4 Raikkonen
5 Massa
6 Vettell
7 Button
8 Riccardo
9 Kvyat
10 Hulkenberg
Humphrey The Pug

Pole: Rosberg
F/L: Kimi
Bonus: 210 KMH

1. Hamilton
2. Rosburg
3. Bottas
4. Kimi
5. Ricciardo
6. Vettel
7. Massa
8. Kvyat
9. Grosjean
10. The new guy in the STR who is 17; his name escapes me at the mo
Tim

Pole Rosberg
Lap Hamilton
Bonus 215.2

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Vettel
4 Raikkonen
5 Bottas
6 Massa
7 Button
8 Riccardo
9 Kvyat
10 Hulkenburg
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
10. The new guy in the STR who is 17; his name escapes me at the mo

I think that'll be an acceptable answer until about mid-season
Eff One

Pole: Rosberg
F/L: Hamilton
Bonus: 209.1 km/h

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Bottas
5. Raikkonen †
6. Massa †
7. Ricciardo
8. Kvyat
9. Grosjean
10. Sainz
PhilD

Pole - Rosberg
F/L - Vettel
Bonus - 215.5 kmh

1) Hamilton
2) Rosberg
3) Vettel
4) Ricciardo
5) Raikkonen
6) Bottas
7) Kvyat
8) Button
9) Maldonado
10) Grosjean
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Pole : Rosberg
F/L : Rosberg
Bonus : 210.5 kph

1. hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Vettel
4. Bottas
5. Rikkiardo
6. Massa
7. Raikkonen
8. Kvyat
9. Grosjean
10. Button
Giant

Pole: Rosberg
F/L: Rosberg
Bonus: 208.3

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Vettel
5. Bottas
6. Kimi
7. Kvyat
8. Massa
9. Grosjean
10. Grosjeans teammate.
the other ct

Pole Rosberg
Lap Hamilton
Bonus 216.2

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Bottas
4 Vettel
5 Massa
6 Raikkonen
7 Riccardo
8 Grosjean
9 Kvyat
10 Maldonado
gooner

Pole: Rosberg
FL Hamilton
Bonus 213.5

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Kimi
5. Bottas
6. Ricciardo
7. Massa
8. Kvyat
9. Grosjean
10. Verstappen
Skyhook

Pole: Rosberg
Fastest Lap: Hamilton
Bonus: 208

1st: Hamilton
2nd: Rosberg
3rd: Bottas
4th: Ricciardo
5th: Massa
6th: Raikkonen
7th: Vettel
8th: Perez
9th: Kvyat
10th: Grosjean

My five year old daughter predicts Rosberg to win.
Sav

Pole: Rosberg
Fastest lap: Hamilton
Bonus: 212.6

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Bottas
4. Vettel
5. Ricciardo
6. Massa
7. Kyvat
8. Raikkonen
9. Sainz Jr
10. Grosjean
Eff One

The cars look nice. Sound better, too.

Jenson's 70s porn moustache concerns me a little.
Giant

Do McLaren have a title sponsor, their cars and overalls have huge bare patches.
gooner

Eff One wrote:
The cars look nice. Sound better, too.

Jenson's 70s porn moustache concerns me a little.


I noticed that too, do you reckon he's going to propagate a full Mansell on us?
Skyhook

Four seconds separating first to tenth - that's a massive difference compared to last year?
simonp

Oh dear. As it wasn't live on proper TV, I just looked up the result...
Big Blue

I watched it live. I say "watched" as in I paid attention every few minutes to the SkyGo app.

I'm looking forward to the MotoGP season even more now.
Twelfth Monkey

Recorded and might watch this afternoon.

Looks like it's going to be another thrilling season...
BeN

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
Humphrey The Pug wrote:
10. The new guy in the STR who is 17; his name escapes me at the mo

I think that'll be an acceptable answer until about mid-season


Verstappen. You might have heard of his dad Jos...
Sav

One of the most disappointing aspects of the race was the durability of the tyres. That was combined with the improvement in downforce and stability for most cars. A ďsoftĒ tyre shouldnít last comfortably for 25 laps, but not only last for 25 for laps, but allow the drivers to set fastest laps at that stage.

2014 was great to watch because although the tyres were also durable, the cars didnít have the corner entry stability or downforce of these 2015 cars. That meant the cars slid around and it was noticeably visible how much more correction the driver had to put through the wheel. Even the 2014 Mercedes never looked perfect on the track, it merely looked better than the rest.

It was perhaps the responsibility of the sportís various working groups to foresee the rather obvious improvements in downforce that would come over the winter, and lobby for tyres with more degradation and wear to compensate for that.

However, I think definitive judgment should wait until Sepang and a few races after that. Those are circuits with longer straightaways and much bigger braking zones; Albert Park has thrown up some strange results over the years but has never been a great circuit for racing imo. In particular I wait to see how these Pirelli tyres handle the much greater loading that Sepang poses. Only issue with this has been the proliferation of circuits in recent years with more slow to medium speed turns compared to high speed sweepers.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Sav wrote:

It was perhaps the responsibility of the sportís various working groups to foresee the rather obvious improvements in downforce that would come over the winter, and lobby for tyres with more degradation and wear to compensate for that.


One reason that recently came to light for Michelin not wanting to tender for the supply of tyres to F1 was that they didn't want to be seen to be the manufacturer of tyres that only lasted for a few dozen miles. I think Pirelli have also declined to make rapidly declining tyres for the same reason.

Personally I'd like to see tyres brought in that lasted the whole race, with changes only made for safety reasons or in the event of a puncture.

Today's race was hardly a classic but Nasr looks tasty behind the wheel, and Sainz Junior looks like a potential race-winner too
Nice Guy Eddie

Bloody hell that was amateur hour. It was like something from Ginetta juniors rather then F1. Thank god for Mercedes otherwise it would have been a joke.
TreVoR

Oh, I don't know, all the breakdowns added to the interest.

I do regret upgrading my Sky subs to include sports though.  
Skyhook

Quite bizarre that last year the cars were so reliable, but in this second year of the new engines they are all over the place. Renault seems to have gone even further back, though Ferrari have improved.

15 cars on the grid - and fewer starting - is rather embarrassing for the pinnacle of the sport.
PhilD

Skyhook wrote:
Quite bizarre that last year the cars were so reliable, but in this second year of the new engines they are all over the place. Renault seems to have gone even further back, though Ferrari have improved.


What's Horner bleating about? I get that he is pissed off with Renault but equalisation, seriously ? (BB, you aren't allowed to answer this   )
Sav

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Sav wrote:

It was perhaps the responsibility of the sportís various working groups to foresee the rather obvious improvements in downforce that would come over the winter, and lobby for tyres with more degradation and wear to compensate for that.


One reason that recently came to light for Michelin not wanting to tender for the supply of tyres to F1 was that they didn't want to be seen to be the manufacturer of tyres that only lasted for a few dozen miles. I think Pirelli have also declined to make rapidly declining tyres for the same reason.



Yes indeed, Michelin have frequently stated that they hold no interest in supplying tyres that degrade quickly. The durability of their tyres in WEC is quite impressive; often cars will top off with fuel but not take new tyres at some pitstops with how they can be double-stinted. After 2013 Iím not surprised that Pirelli want to be cautious, but undoubtedly, the racing was interesting from 2011 until mid-2013 because of the significant degradation. I hope they decide to play ball soon.

Iím not sure I would like to see tyres lasting for a whole race. Of course that was the intention for the 2005 season, with tyres having to last the whole distance. Problem with ultra durable tyres like that is that the drop off is almost non-existent, strategies are identical, and the pace between cars becomes too predictable. 2013 would have been a far more interesting season if Pirelli hadnít changed their tyres mid-season, in the early part of 2013 it was a case of Red Bull having the ultimate raw pace, but Ferrari sustaining a better pace during the race and keeping the tyres alive for longer. That was interesting to watch, and it entirely disappeared when the tyres became more durable.
Sav

PhilD wrote:
Skyhook wrote:
Quite bizarre that last year the cars were so reliable, but in this second year of the new engines they are all over the place. Renault seems to have gone even further back, though Ferrari have improved.


What's Horner bleating about? I get that he is pissed off with Renault but equalisation, seriously ? (BB, you aren't allowed to answer this † )


Plenty of other series have equalisation and balance of performance in general. Mr Horner of course only wants equalisation for the bit his team can't fully control, the powertrain - how convenient.
PhilD

Sav wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Skyhook wrote:
Quite bizarre that last year the cars were so reliable, but in this second year of the new engines they are all over the place. Renault seems to have gone even further back, though Ferrari have improved.


What's Horner bleating about? I get that he is pissed off with Renault but equalisation, seriously ? (BB, you aren't allowed to answer this † )


Plenty of other series have equalisation and balance of performance in general.


How about F1?
Twelfth Monkey

Horner has gone down massively in my estimation, and clearly can't see how the rules were not changed to rein in RB when it was winning everything.  So this all boils down to it being great when RB dominates but terrible when anyone else does.

No sympathy, ditch Renault ASAP and/or work harder.
PhilD

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Horner has gone down massively in my estimation, and clearly can't see how the rules were not changed to rein in RB when it was winning everything. †So this all boils down to it being great when RB dominates but terrible when anyone else does.

No sympathy, ditch Renault ASAP and/or work harder.


+1 I liked him before this!
Martin

PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Horner has gone down massively in my estimation, and clearly can't see how the rules were not changed to rein in RB when it was winning everything. †So this all boils down to it being great when RB dominates but terrible when anyone else does.

No sympathy, ditch Renault ASAP and/or work harder.


+1 I liked him before this!


Another +1 although he went down in my estimation when he hooked up with Ginger Spice!
Humphrey The Pug

Martin wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Horner has gone down massively in my estimation, and clearly can't see how the rules were not changed to rein in RB when it was winning everything. †So this all boils down to it being great when RB dominates but terrible when anyone else does.

No sympathy, ditch Renault ASAP and/or work harder.


+1 I liked him before this!


Another +1 although he went down in my estimation when he hooked up with Ginger Spice!


Never liked him, always something smarmy about him, I'm not in the least bit surprised that he has been shooting his mouth off.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Martin wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Twelfth Monkey wrote:
Horner has gone down massively in my estimation, and clearly can't see how the rules were not changed to rein in RB when it was winning everything. †So this all boils down to it being great when RB dominates but terrible when anyone else does.

No sympathy, ditch Renault ASAP and/or work harder.


+1 I liked him before this!


Another +1 although he went down in my estimation when he hooked up with Ginger Spice!

Yup, another +1 to all the above.  But I wonder how much is down to him, and how much is him acting as a voice for Marko/Marco ?

I'd also like to know who is suspected of finding a way round the 100kg/hr fuel flowrate maximum, that's prompted the FIA to ask for multiple measuring points to be intorduced.  Apparently you can fit a small tank after the fuel flow sensor to act as a reservoir so that the fuel rate to the engine can temporarily exceed the flow rate through the FIA sensor
Big Blue

Loving that Horner is a twat in the public eye, and that cheating car designer Newey has "stepped back" now that cheating is outweighed by sheer engineering spending by Mercedes.

McLaren - OMG! I like it that Ron said the exploding engine was the least of the weekend's worries.

Red car with a German in it was very fast. Just like the old days Kimi had his usual 'mare, exacerbated by the wheel issue.

New drivers did themselves well, so is that "easy to drive" cars or "great drivers"? probably a combination of the two.

Like Top Gear, I still love F1 no matter how shit it might get.
JohnC

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
I'd also like to know who is suspected of finding a way round the 100kg/hr fuel flowrate maximum, that's prompted the FIA to ask for multiple measuring points to be intorduced. †


I would suspect that Mr Horner's outburst might be a clue!
Humphrey The Pug

JohnC wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
I'd also like to know who is suspected of finding a way round the 100kg/hr fuel flowrate maximum, that's prompted the FIA to ask for multiple measuring points to be intorduced. †


I would suspect that Mr Horner's outburst might be a clue!


Yet he was perfectly fine with his flexible wings.
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
I still love F1 no matter how shit it might get.


F1 has for me always been more than just the race, in fact I often enjoy it despite the race!
Big Blue

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I still love F1 no matter how shit it might get.


F1 has for me always been more than just the race, in fact I often enjoy it despite the race!


Yes that's what I meant, probably put more eloquently
Martin

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:
I still love F1 no matter how shit it might get.


F1 has for me always been more than just the race, in fact I often enjoy it despite the race!


That's exactly how we feel about it.

The quality of the simulators has a huge part to play in how well the rookie drivers performed, but even so, they did exceptionally well.
simonp

http://sniffpetrol.com/2015/03/16/mclaren-finishes-australian-gp/
Eff One

Big Blue wrote:
New drivers did themselves well, so is that "easy to drive" cars or "great drivers"? probably a combination of the two.

Like Top Gear, I still love F1 no matter how shit it might get.


+1. I was seriously impressed with Nasr - was expecting more pay-driver mediocrity but he's clearly a cut or two above Ericsson.
Twelfth Monkey

First Horner, then Marko threatening to quit:

http://www.pitpass.com/53474/Red-Bull-in-F1-quit-threat

I love the way that a racing formula dominated by one factor (the engine) is deemed terminally flawed, but one dominated by a single sub-factor (the blown diffuser) was nirvana. †Not a lot of fully-formed adults in the paddock, are there?
JohnC

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
First Horner, then Marko threatening to quit:

http://www.pitpass.com/53474/Red-Bull-in-F1-quit-threat

I love the way that a racing formula dominated by one factor (the engine) is deemed terminally flawed, but one dominated by a single sub-factor (the blown diffuser) was nirvana. †Not a lot of fully-formed adults in the paddock, are there?


Red Bull had the same temper tantrum over tyres a couple of years ago and got their way but I think there are some truths in what they are saying. The mid running teams are all struggling for money and unsponsored teams such as McLaren will quickly run out of cash even with Honda funding the engines. Add to that the fact that Ferrari get a bigger slice of the prize fund that their performance deserves and you have a cocktail that could quickly go wrong, with several teams leaving the sport at the same time.

Blind Bernie has to find a way of reducing costs and keeping them down otherwise we could have a few lean years.
Twelfth Monkey

Given the decimation of the minnows in recent years, none of those things is new.  I don't disagree that they exist, but they did when RB was winning everything, and they weren't too grumbly then.
Big Blue

The tyre thing fucked me off no end, as Kimi would have been a more viable championship contender as would Alonso have been.

I agree the smaller teams should be getting a more equal share of the media money but Ferrari and Mercedes would simply get EVEN more from sponsors and parent companies so the gap would remain.

Any permutation could help; like Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari have to supply one team each with engines for free so that those teams can develop chassis and manage their teams with the money saved. Then some of the Constructor points from those teams are given to the selected factory team (Mercedes / Ferrari / Red Bull) to assist with the constructor championship.
Nice Guy Eddie

Since when has F1 ever been fair.

I can't understand how F1 cars are running around without sponsorship. What are the commercial departments doing. I understand they want $50million for their wing plates but if they aren't selling lower the price. Surely some money in is better then none. I guess McLaren are holding on for the likes of Marlboro and Shell to coming running back.

F1 has been odd for a long time. It's daft quite frankly for a team to need 1000 staff to get 2 cars to do 250 miles every couple of weeks.
Scouse

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
Since when has F1 ever been fair.

I can't understand how F1 cars are running around without sponsorship. What are the commercial departments doing. I understand they want $50million for their wing plates but if they aren't selling lower the price. Surely some money in is better then none. I guess McLaren are holding on for the likes of Marlboro and Shell to coming running back.

F1 has been odd for a long time. It's daft quite frankly for a team to need 1000 staff to get 2 cars to do 250 miles every couple of weeks.


Hasn't Ron stated that the budgets are so high these days that there simply aren't any companies out there who would stump up enough to be a title sponsor?
simonp

I heard on the radio yesterday that Bernie is punishing Manor Marussia for not racing by making them pay for their own transport to the next race. That'll be a big help...
JohnC

simonp wrote:
I heard on the radio yesterday that Bernie is punishing Manor Marussia for not racing by making them pay for their own transport to the next race. That'll be a big help...


I think that shows that he should be removed from office on the basis that he is no longer able to make rational decisions: that type of attitude will just destroy the sport. IMHO of course!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

...but one of Bernie's work ethics (and part of his success)  is "divide and rule, never mind about being fair"
Sav

PhilD wrote:
Sav wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Skyhook wrote:
Quite bizarre that last year the cars were so reliable, but in this second year of the new engines they are all over the place. Renault seems to have gone even further back, though Ferrari have improved.


What's Horner bleating about? I get that he is pissed off with Renault but equalisation, seriously ? (BB, you aren't allowed to answer this † )


Plenty of other series have equalisation and balance of performance in general.


How about F1?


I donít think it would work particularly effectively. The issue with equalisation is that it sounds relatively good in theory, carrying it out in practice is trickier. It would require a new working group to mandate the parameters for equalisation, and predictably, teams would argue over how elements are calculated.

There arenít many forms of motorsport where balance of performance works well. In IMSA there is always somebody complaining in each class, same with ACO-racing, and itís the same story in BTCC. There is course a key different between these championships and Formula 1. The latter doesnít have multiple drivetrain configurations, tyre manufacturers, styles of car etc. The case isnít particularly strong for Bop in F1, equalisation measures doesnít work effectively where it has greater need.

Mercedes-Benz enjoys a huge advantage due to a combination of factors. Firstly, the powertrain regulations are so complicated and different compared to the V8 and KERS set-up, Mercedes had a larger focus on the hybrid powertrains before 2014. They were targeting these specific regulations to win championships whereas the other large-budget teams were focusing on aerodynamic development to stay ahead in 2012 and 2013.

Secondly, it is harder than ever for a team lagging behind to catch up during a season. The hybrid regulations were documented as a huge change in 2014, but so was the tightening of the aerodynamic rules. It currently isnít possible for a team to make significant gains like in the past. Even as recently as 2009 McLaren turned up to Melbourne with a dogís dinner, by late July it was a winner Ė I donít think that is possible anymore.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Sav wrote:
..... Mercedes had a larger focus on the hybrid powertrains before 2014. They were targeting these specific regulations to win championships whereas the other large-budget teams were focusing on aerodynamic development to stay ahead in 2012 and 2013.

Indeed, and a good reason to berate Red Bull and Horner. Thye chose to capitalise on the present when they did, and won the title 4 years running.  Suddenly they are not competitive and moan about it.  Would the sport really be better off if RB were still winning almost every race? It may be frustrating for many that M-B now have a clearly faster car than anyone else, but surely that is better than RB remaining at the top for another 2, 3 or 4 years?
PhilD

Sav wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Sav wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Skyhook wrote:
Quite bizarre that last year the cars were so reliable, but in this second year of the new engines they are all over the place. Renault seems to have gone even further back, though Ferrari have improved.


What's Horner bleating about? I get that he is pissed off with Renault but equalisation, seriously ? (BB, you aren't allowed to answer this † )


Plenty of other series have equalisation and balance of performance in general.


How about F1?


I donít think it would work particularly effective.


and it's not been tried before?
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Results ... finally!

Pole Hamilton
Lap Hamilton
Bonus 221.145 (the other ct was closest with 216.2)

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Vettel
4 Massa
5 Nasr
6 Ricciardo
7 Hulkenberg
8 Ericsson
9 Sainz
10 Perez
11 Button

Scores

12 - Dr H
11 - Chris M, the other ct
10 - JohnC, Tim
9 - PhilD, Gooner
8 - BeN, Scouse, Eff One, Skyhook, Sav
7 - Humphrey, Giant
5 - Big Blue

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