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Dr. Hfuhruhurr

F1 Game 2015 - America

So we move from Russia to America, where I can't see Obama bludgeoning himself into every photo op the way Putin did the other week.

As usual, y'all need to guess the top ten finishers, the pole sitter and fastest lapper

Bonus question: average speed of fastest lap, in mph (as we're in the USA). One point for closest.

Deadline: Friday 23 October 2359 GMT
Scouse

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest: Hamilton
Bonus: 126mph

1) Hamilton
2) Rosberg
3) Vettel
4) Raikonen
5) Bottas
6) Massa
7) Ricciardo
8) Nasr
9) button
10) Alonso
BeN

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest: Hamilton
Bonus: I refuse your imperial units. Convert to metric!  

1) Hamilton (and thus champion)
2) Rosberg
3) Vettel
4) Raikkonen
5) Massa
6) Bottas
7) Hulkenburg
8) Perez
9) Ricciardo
10) Kyvat
Humphrey The Pug

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Hamilton
Bonus: 131mph

1. Hamilton
2. Kimi
3. Rosberg
4. Massa
5. Bottas
6. Vettel
7. Kvyat
8. Perez
9. Ricciardo
10. Verstappen
PhilD

Pole - Hamilton
F/L - Vettel
Bonus - 129.6mph

1) Hamilton
2) Rosberg
3) Vettel
4) Ricciardo
5) Raikkonen
6) Bottas
7) Kvyat
8) Massa
9) Maldonado
10) Grosjean
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Pole Hamilton
Lap Hamilton
Bonus 123.748

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Vettel
4 Bottas
5 Massa
6 Raikkonen
7 Alonso
8 Nasr
9 Hulkenberg
10 Perez
Eff One

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Rosberg
Bonus: 122.4mph

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Bottas
5. Raikkonen
6. Vettel
7. Massa
8. Sainz
9. Grosjean
10. Verstappen
JohnC

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest: Vettel
Bonus: 111mph

1) Hamilton
2) Rosberg
3) Ricciardo
4) Bottas
5) Kvyatt
6) Massa
7) Vettel
8) Hulkenberg
9) Raikonnen
10) Sainz
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Pole: Rosberg
F/Lap: Hamilton
Bonus: 12

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Verstappen
5. Vettel
6. Raikkonen
7. Bottas
8. Sainz
9. Grosjean
10. Massa
the other ct

Pole: Kvyat
F/Lap: Sainz
Bonus: 112

1. Ricciardo
2. Grosjean
3. Sainz
4. Verstappen
5. Hulkenberg
6. Hamilton
7. Perez
8. Alonso
9. Vettel
10. Maldonado
Big Blue

Pole: That Hamilton boy
F/L: That goddam Nazi Vettel boy
Bonus: Faster than a greased pig in a corn chuck

1. Goddam, that Hamilton boy agin
2. I ain't sure where he's from, but he calls himself Keke's boy
3. That Nazi Vettel is looking dangerous
4. Icier than a Texan that works for a Mexican.
5. A goddam Eye-Tie that sounds like Crocodile Dundee
6. If that Rusky stops just get out there and lynch him
7. A boy called Max with a surname that ain't from these parts
8. Cheese eating surrender monkey
9. A real live Saint? I don't think so....
10. Fernando? You let a Spic on my racetrack, boy?
Sav

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest lap: Vettel
Bonus: 117 mph

1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Ricciardo
4. Rosberg
5. Verstappen
6. Kyvat
7. Raikkonen
8. Sainz
9. Bottas
10. Hulkenberg
the other ct

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Sav

What an absolutely thrilling Grand Prix. Yes, the top three was predictable, but the manner in which the front runners changed throughout the race was almost difficult to keep track of. †The mid-field represented something more akin to a Formula Ford race with the constant swapping for position, the Toro Rosso guys were particularly fantastic to watch, Raikkonen sounded like an old man being beaten up by some youngsters!

As for Rosberg, I can understand heís miffed at being nudged into turn 1 on the opening lap by Hamilton. However on the other hand, what did he expect? He surely knew Hamilton was going to ease him off onto the run-off one way or another; I was surprised he kept driving into an obvious disappearing gap. Once it was clear Hamilton wasnít going to allow Rosberg to go around the outside of turn 1, it would have been better to concede the lead rather than lose further positions.

Hamilton was kind of lucky with the timing of the final Safety Car period when Kyvat smashed into the inside barrier on the exit of the penultimate turn. Without that crash Rosberg on much fresher tyres would have easily caught Hamilton. The Safety Car period only resulted in Hamilton losing one position, and it was then Rosberg who was on older tyres. Its funny how things work out; when the last virtual Safety Car was called it looked like Rosberg had the definite advantage, being able to take new tyres without a great position loss and Hamilton didnít get the chance to pit. In only a few minutes the situation changed the other way to benefit Hamilton.

I'm really pleased to see Jolyon Palmer joining Lotus next year. His GP2 championship is his obvious achievement, but not all GP2 champions have stood out. Palmer was outstanding last year and a clear stand-out, outpacing his nearest rival Felipe Nasr both in speed and wheel-to-wheel combat comprehensively. My only disappointment is that Palmer wasn't driving in Formula 1 for this season. It's great to see a talented upcoming Brit deservingly get a drive in F1. I say that because unfortunately too many won't get the opportunity.

Last thing: the Mercedes AMG GT S sounded amazing in qualifying! Officially it was checking the track conditions, but it was also rather entertaining and lovely to listen to.
Alf McQueef

Annoyed I missed that - of the two RWC semi finals and GP, I got to watch 10 mins of one of the rugby matches! That's what happens when it rains all day Saturday then I have heaps to do on Sunday, which included washing both cars for the first time in at least 6 weeks...

Looks like a superb one, even McLaren did OK, I'll catch the highlights later...
DetmoldDick

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That's as funny as..
Bob Sacamano

It was enjoyable seeing cuntychops taking the hump over Lewis throwing the cap to him and then going round with a face like a slapped arse afterwards.

Rosberg will never win the World title, he's not got what it takes.
Martin

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Rosberg will never win the World title, he's not got what it takes.


+1

I can understand his frustration, anyone competitive would feel the same, but he's only himself to blame.  I thought the funniest bit was Paddy Lowes face after the cap throwing incident....if looks could kill!

Loved the race, one of the best for quite a long time, I was glued to the screen the whole race.
Big Blue

Bob Sacamano wrote:

Rosberg will never win the World title, he's not got what it takes.


Yes, that is correct. He's fast by virtue of having been driving a race vehicle for almost as long as he can walk and having had the time and ability to keep the practice up throughout his formative years. He's just not "hungry" for it, which also sums up Kimi. He won the title, it was pretty unremarkable the way it happened (lots of mistakes by the McLaren duo as opposed to outright challenge from Kimi) and he just doesn't give a shit. I'm sure he (Kimi) enjoys driving an F1 car and for Rosberg it gives his playboy life some sense of purpose which it would have lacked otherwise but championships? Yeah - whatever.

This means that multiple champions of all kinds, like Schumacher, Vettel, Federer, golfists, CR7, Alex Ferguson, Rossi, Steve Redgrave and their ilk all have some other psychological wiring even compared to their fierce competitors. So yes, I agree: Rosberg will never be champion unless he has some kind of psychiatric help.
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:


Rosberg will never win the World title, he's not got what it takes.


And Hamilton will never be Senna no matter how much he bangs on about it...
Bob Sacamano

PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:


Rosberg will never win the World title, he's not got what it takes.


And Hamilton will never be Senna no matter how much he bangs on about it...


I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to emulate your hero.
Humphrey The Pug

Bob Sacamano wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Bob Sacamano wrote:


Rosberg will never win the World title, he's not got what it takes.


And Hamilton will never be Senna no matter how much he bangs on about it...


I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to emulate your hero.


TBH it's everyone else that bangs on about it; he's just answering questions.
Martin

I've not heard him say he will be as good as Senna, just that he is his hero / inspiration, I can't see anything wrong with that.
PhilD

Where did I say "as good as" ?  
Big Blue

Hamilton is better than Senna maybe not a better driver but better as a competitor and I really am not a fan of Hamilton in any way shape or form.

Even though he's a complete twat Lewis doesn't accept that he has some god-given right to drive through people - when challenges have come up in front of Hamilton he really, truly has let his driving do the talking whereas Senna would be giving iot the large to all and sundry - it was Balestre's fault; the pole should have been on the other side; why was J-L Schlesser in MY way in Monza? etc. The only F1 season Senna showed us his out and out greatness was '93 when he accepted he was in an inferior car but still pushed Prost for the title.

Granted Senna was a natural talent as is Hamilton but ethically he was in a place more akin to Mike Tyson's ear biting days.
PhilD

All of which may or may not be true. It's also irrelevant. Hamilton desperately wants to be a god like Senna, and he never will be.
JohnC

I think it is exceptionally difficult to compare drivers from different eras.

The driver of a current F1 car has a totally different machine in his hands than even Senna did but when compared to the cars that Jim Clark drove or those driven by Stirling Moss it is as comparable as an iphone 6s to the old wind up phones of over 100 years ago..

The driving styles and skills required for each type of car are significantly different and it is quite possible that a 22 year old Senna in Lewis Hamilton's car might be slower than LH or Rosberg.

It is possible that Senna in Jim Clark's car might have been faster but we will never know.

We are talking about people here who are at the very pinnacle of driving ability and the differences between winning races, being a world champion and being an also ran, are tiny. Put most of the F1 field in a Mercedes and they would spend most of the time at the front of the field. One or two might even show LH up.

Differences in performance can be down to getting the set up you like, having a car with the right amount of understeer or oversteer and with enough progression in its change of direction that the driver can gain confidence in what it is going to do.

The best driver this planet has ever seen may not have been fortunate enough to get the right car at the right time with the right team and the right funding and may just have slipped into obscurity or some other class of racing. Look at Alonso who has often been stated to be the best driver of the current era but a few bad team moves have seen him in the doldrums for a good few years now. The whole F1 grid is made up of excellence, just some are a bit luckier than others with where they are sitting.

We can all have opinions about who is/was the best but we will never know.
gooner

Big Blue wrote:
Hamilton is better than Senna maybe not a better driver but better as a competitor and I really am not a fan of Hamilton in any way shape or form.

Even though he's a complete twat Lewis doesn't accept that he has some god-given right to drive through people - when challenges have come up in front of Hamilton he really, truly has let his driving do the talking whereas Senna would be giving iot the large to all and sundry - it was Balestre's fault; the pole should have been on the other side; why was J-L Schlesser in MY way in Monza? etc. The only F1 season Senna showed us his out and out greatness was '93 when he accepted he was in an inferior car but still pushed Prost for the title.

Granted Senna was a natural talent as is Hamilton but ethically he was in a place more akin to Mike Tyson's ear biting days.


I don't get the whole 'Hamilton is a twat' thing. What bothers you so much about him? Ok he is found hanging around all the top names in black celeb-Dom and his fashion may seem questionable to those of us less in tune with youth fashion, but he doesn't generally do anything away from F1 to bring down the sports name and, if anything, is doing more to raise the sports profile than all the other drivers combined. I really don't think he acts like a twat generally and certainly less so than Rosberg who goes around like a spoilt brat when he's not getting his way.

Hamilton does live the playboy life at times but who can blame him? I'd do the same. The key thing is that he always remains professional when he's in the car and gives his all to help the team and is fully committed to his sport. If he manages to maintain a pretty active social life too then good luck to him.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

gooner wrote:

I don't get the whole 'Hamilton is a twat' thing. What bothers you so much about him? Ok he is found hanging around all the top names in black celeb-Dom and his fashion may seem questionable to those of us less in tune with youth fashion, but he doesn't generally do anything away from F1 to bring down the sports name and, if anything, is doing more to raise the sports profile than all the other drivers combined. I really don't think he acts like a twat generally .....

+1, maybe the lifestyle critics are envious of Lewis?

...and after all, he is a Brit and proclaims his love of England even if he doesn't live here anymore for tax reasons (and I wish I could afford to live elsewhere for tax reasons too!).  I have no problem with Lewis being a Brit and being on top of the world.  Good luck to him, and may he win the title again in 2016.  There is often a fine line between genius and madness and maybe he's quite close to it; after all, he's not only fast behind the wheel of a racing car but he can sing, compose and play musical instruments
Big Blue

Sorry, one of the reasons he looked to leave McLaren in the first place was that he couldn't wear his own clothes. Fuck me, imagine at the start of the FA Cup the Arsenal players came out some dressed like Gangstas (sic), some like Adam Ant in the Prince Charming era, a couple in dinner suits....
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:
Sorry, one of the reasons he looked to leave McLaren in the first place was that he couldn't wear his own clothes. Fuck me, imagine at the start of the FA Cup the Arsenal players came out some dressed like Gangstas (sic), some like Adam Ant in the Prince Charming era, a couple in dinner suits....


Are we supposed to agree that's a bad thing?  
PhilD

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
gooner wrote:

I don't get the whole 'Hamilton is a twat' thing. What bothers you so much about him? Ok he is found hanging around all the top names in black celeb-Dom and his fashion may seem questionable to those of us less in tune with youth fashion, but he doesn't generally do anything away from F1 to bring down the sports name and, if anything, is doing more to raise the sports profile than all the other drivers combined. I really don't think he acts like a twat generally .....


+1, maybe the lifestyle critics are envious of Lewis?



That's a straw man as far as I'm concerned Chris as I've never mentioned his lifestyle being a problem.
Humphrey The Pug

The thing that bothers me with Hamilton is that he comes across as someone who does what he does, wears what he wears and hangs around with who he hangs around with because he feels that is how a young and successful guy is supposed to be, he never looks comfortable in those clothes and those surroundings, he just looks awkward; he comes across as a try hard.
Giant

Big Blue wrote:
Sorry, one of the reasons he looked to leave McLaren in the first place was that he couldn't wear his own clothes. Fuck me, imagine at the start of the FA Cup the Arsenal players came out some dressed like Gangstas (sic), some like Adam Ant in the Prince Charming era, a couple in dinner suits....


Imagine that!...
Twelfth Monkey

I think Da Ham's biggest problem is that when things aren't going his way he has a tendency to whinge.  I think all top drivers can lose sight of their good fortune, especially after they get used to winning, but I shudder to think how he'd be behaving if he was still at McLaren.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Pole Rosberg
Lap Rosberg
Bonus 122.51 mph (Eff One was closest with 122.4)

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Vettel
4 Verstappen
5 Perez
6 Button
7 Sainz
8 Maldonado
9 Nasr
10 Ricciardo
11 Alonso

Scores

11 - Scouse, Chris M
10 - BeN, PhilD, Dr H, Big Blue (possibly)
9 - Eff One
6 - JohnC
5 - Humphrey
3 - the other ct, Sav

Deemed (3 points)

Giant, Tim, Chocy Rocky, Gooner, Skyhook

Standings

170 - Chris M
163 - Scouse
154 - Sav, Dr H
152 - JohnC
144 - Eff One
134 - Humphrey
130 - Big Blue, BeN
127 - the other ct
121 - PhilD
106 - Giant
88 - Tim
83 - Chocy Rocky
82 - Gooner
80 - Skyhook
Scouse

Woo! And indeed fucking hoo!
BeN

Not bad. And I didn't even bother with the bonus...
Big Blue

Yeah, I definitely got 10
Scouse

Back to the Hamilton:

https://thef1news.com/chit-chat/h...igns-vettel-webber-raikkonen.html

So two of your titles had fuck all to do with the mahoooosive car advantage and Britney Spears driving the one next door?
Sav

Generally very silly comments if that what he said. With Schumi, he has just plain faster than Barrichello. In particular his in and out laps were outstanding, and Rubens alluded to this a few years ago in an interview.

With Vettel, it is a mixed picture IMO. He was just faster than Webber, particularly where mattered in qualifying. Saying that, the team preferred Vettel. Some of the decisions regarding which driver would run certain aerodynamic upgrades in 2010 was telling, because unlike in 2011, 2012 or 2013 - Webber was actually a title contender. The team also appeared to favour Vettel in the Turkey clash, which was wrong as it was Vettel who swerved into Webber.

I also didn't like what happened during the 2013 Japanese Grand Prix. Webber had qualified on pole, lead much of the race but the team decided to pit Webber for an additional time compared to Vettel. They claimed that Webber was harder on his tyres so needed the extra stop, but it didn't seem that way. It was Vettel fighting to pass Grosjean who was chewing up his tyres. There was some discussion last weekend about drivers taking strategies into their own hands, and I wouldn't advocate that occurring, but in Japan I think the call was wrong from Red Bull.

Hamilton was brilliant against Alonso. After becoming a double world champion and going to McLaren, did Alonso think that his rookie teamate would win four races and score the same amount of points as him? Against Button it was a mixed picture, I feel Hamilton had the raw speed, but was ultimately out-psyched by Button during the races on many occasions, and of course he had a messy 2011.

Rosberg has been a tougher opponent for Hamilton than people give him credit for. The challenge for Nico is to sustain his new-found pace over a longer period, and when it counts - fighting for a championship. If one goes back to Spa 2014, Rosberg was booed and scrutinised after that clash, and it was almost like Rosberg choked on the pressure and made errors, and Hamilton capitalised from negative energy and managed to consistently win races. 2016 will be a new opportunity for Rosberg to prove that he can beat Hamilton when it really matters.

Even now in wheel-to-wheel situations, I believe Hamilton has the ability to race Rosberg very close, perhaps over the edge and get away with it - Bahrain 2014 and Austin 2015 are fine examples. Hamilton often plays dare devil and gets away from it, but it can go wrong - as illustrated by his catalogue of errors in Hungary earlier this year. IMO, Rosberg needs to not only beat Hamilton in terms of laptimes, but come out on top in wheel-to-wheel combat. In this regard Hamilton has rather trodden over Rosberg.
Big Blue

I'm glad you pointed out how indifferently Hamilton fared against JB. The incoming Button was mentally stronger and had a personality that gave him more of McLaren's expertise than previously blue-eyed boy (yeah I know but it's a figure of speech) Hamilton probably thought he deserved.

This last couple of years has shown what a great driver Hamilton is and what a fabulous car the Merc is. Rosberg is a very good, tidy driver but he really needs some hunger to give him that edge. Hamilton is more driven but the jury remains out as to which is more nauseating: Hamilton's boy-dun-good-down-wiv-da-kids persona or Nico's utterly inoffensive and polite-to-the-point-of-sickly manner.

As to Seb: this season has moved him a notch or two higher in the great champions stakes. He had the best car, he didn't like that final year with the shit car and has shown he's not just Adrian's robot-boy. Him and Hamilton in the Merc would have been interesting.
Humphrey The Pug

I read an interesting article recently; can't remember who wrote it though.

It was comparing Schumacher, Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton and the way that they all work, it was suggested that both Alonso and Hamilton are just naturally fantastic and gifted drivers and they didn't really have to work for it; it just happened, whereas both Schumacher and Vettel; as good a drivers as they are, it wasn't as natural an ability and they both had to work very hard to achieve what they have achieved.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

I'd love to know just how much Vettel worked hard to achieve his first F1 win for Toro Rosso - looked very much like natural ability at that time, to me anyway
Big Blue

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
I'd love to know just how much Vettel worked hard to achieve his first F1 win for Toro Rosso - looked very much like natural ability at that time, to me anyway


I was at that race and yes, he was simply better than anyone else but he had the most tractable engine at the time (the Ferrari one that nearly carried Massa to the title) and the best chassis for the conditions (a version of the Red Bull one) - this is highlighted by the fact that Bourdais in the other T-R was 4th in qualifying (he started from pit-lane so didn't feature in the race). Vettel himself admitted the car set-up was ideal for the conditions. What set Vettel apart was that this was his first pole and his first win and to do so in such circumstances showed his mental strength above all else. He did not put a foot wrong all weekend.

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