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Dr. Hfuhruhurr

F1 Game 2014 - Spain

Once again, you need to guess the top ten finishers, and who takes pole and fastest lap.

Bonus question: race winner's average speed in mph

Deadline: Friday 9 May 2359 GMT
Tim

Pole : Hamilton
F/L : Hamilton
Bonus : 115.7

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Vettel
5. Kimi
6. Ricciardo
7. Button
8. Hulkenberg
9. Grosjean
10. Kyvat
Humphrey The Pug

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Rosberg
Bonus: 115.3

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Alonso
4. Ricciardo
5. Raikkonen
6. Vettel
7. Button
8. Kvyat
9. Massa
10. Bottas
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Pole Hamilton
Lap Hamilton
Bonus 118.3

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Alonso
4 Button
5 Magnussen
6 Raikkonen
7 Riccardo
8 Massa
9 Bottas
10 Kvyat
Big Blue

Pole Hamilton
Lap Hamilton
Bonus 117.9

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Alonso
4 Raikkonen
5 Magnussen
6 Massa
7 Button
8 Riccardo
9 Bottas
10 Vettel
Scouse

PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post
Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Rosberg
Bonus: 121.4

1: Hamilton
2: Rosberg
3: Button
4: Alonso
5: Vettel
6: Massa
7: Raikonen
8: Hulkenberg
9: Ricciardo
10: Kvyat
Chocy Rocky

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Pole : Rosberg
F/L : Rosberg
Bonus : 120.07

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Raikonen
5. Vettel
6. Button
7. Hulkenberg
8. Riccardo
9. Massa
10. Perez
PhilD

Pole: Ham
FL: Ham
Bonus: 125

1-Hamilton
2-Vettel
3-Rosberg
4-Ricciardo
5-Alonso
6-Button
7-Kimi
8-Bottas
9-Magnussen
10-Hulkenberg
BeN

1) Hamilton
2) Rosberg
3) Vettel
4) Alonso
5) Ricciardo
6) Massa
7) Maldonado
8) Button
9) Raikkonen
10) Magnussen

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest Hamilton
Bonus: 160
JohnC

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Hamilton
Bonus: 116.1

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3.Ricciardo
4. Alonso
5. Vettel
6. Raikkonen
7. Button
8.Hulkenberg
9. Massa
10.Perez
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Pole: Hamilton
F/Lap: Hamilton
Bonus: 108.7 mph

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Alonso
5. Massa
6. Magnussen
7. Vettel
8. Button
9. Raikkonen
10. Kvyat
Skyhook

Pole: Rosberg
Fastest lap: Alonso
Bonus: 114 mph

1st: Rosberg
2nd: Hamilton
3rd: Ricciardo
4th: Vettel
5th: Alonso
6th: Bottas
7th: Massa
8th: Raikkonen
9th: Hulkenberg
10th: Button
Mrs Skyhook

Pole Hamilton
FL Hamilton
Bonus 116.2

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Ricciardo
4 Alonso
5 Massa
6 Vettel
7 Magnussen
8 Bottas
9 Hulkenberg
10 Button
gooner

Pole: Hamilton
FL: Raikkonen
Bonus 117

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Raikkonen
4. Alonso
5. Button
6. Ricardo
7. Massa
8. Vettel
9. Bottas
10. Magnuson
the other ct

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Vettel
Bonus: 116.3

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Alonso
5. Vettel
6. Raikkonen
7. Button
8. Bottas
9. Magnussen
10. Massa
Sav

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest lap: Rosberg
Bonus: 115.4 mph

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Alonso
5. Magnussen
6. Vettel
7. Raikkonen
8. Button
9. Massa
10. Hulkenberg
Eff One

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Rosberg
Bonus: 116.3

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Alonso
5. Vettel
6. Raikkonen
7. Button
8. Bottas
9. Magnussen
10. Massa
Big TC

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Vettel
Bonus: 116.8

1. Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Vettel
4 Ricciard
5. Alonso
6  Raikkonen
7 Bottas
8 Hulkenberg
9 Button
10 Magnussen
Nice Guy Eddie

Pole Hamilton
FL Hamilton
Bonus 119.4

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Riccardo
4. Vettel
5. Alonso
6. Button
7. RRaikonnen
8. Hulkenberg
9. Bottas
10. Magnussen
Big TC

Utter domination by Mercedes. Wonder if any other team will get a look-in this year.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Big TC wrote:
Utter domination by Mercedes. Wonder if any other team will get a look-in this year.

Not the way things are going at the moment, they won't although Red Bull's performance appears to have increased to put them second.
Personally I'd like to see Hamilton break Seb's record for the number of consecutive victories.

McLaren must take some sort of award for the most under-performing team of modern times, bearing in mind their resources and experience
Humphrey The Pug

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
McLaren must take some sort of award for the most under-performing team of modern times, bearing in mind their resources and experience


It's a close one between them and Ferrari for that accolade.
gooner

Big TC wrote:
Utter domination by Mercedes. Wonder if any other team will get a look-in this year.


During Brawn's title winning season we were saying the same as Button stormed to multiple wins early in the season. But after about 6 races the others started to play catch up and it was only through consistent mid points finishes that they staved off Red Bull, but it was pretty close by the end. We're only a quarter if the season down, plenty of time for the tables to turn.
Big Blue

gooner wrote:
Big TC wrote:
Utter domination by Mercedes. Wonder if any other team will get a look-in this year.


During Brawn's title winning season


And who was in charge of the development of the Mercedes? And Michael's Ferrari domination years? And the Benetton?

Ah yes....  Everyone raves about Newey but Ross Brawn is the real deal.
Humphrey The Pug

Big Blue wrote:
gooner wrote:
Big TC wrote:
Utter domination by Mercedes. Wonder if any other team will get a look-in this year.


During Brawn's title winning season


And who was in charge of the development of the Mercedes? And Michael's Ferrari domination years? And the Benetton?

Ah yes.... †Everyone raves about Newey but Ross Brawn is the real deal.


Yep and he has been seen at Ferrari recently, he said he popped in as he was on holiday and there is nothing to read into it; yeahh righ!! Also there are rumours of Newey being offered a blank cheque by Ferrari.

Newey and Brawn at Ferrari next year?
Twelfth Monkey

DRS doesn't work in 2014, does it?  I'd been willing Rosberg past as he was the quicker at the end, but it wasn't to be.
Big Blue

DRS is bollocks all round. The cars should be trimmed to be the best compromise for each circuit and live with whether then can go round corners on rails or fly down the straights at 320kph.

Interesting fact: F1 top speed at Barcelona is 318kph. motoGP top speed at Barcelona is 342.4kph. Respective Lap records are 1:19.954 in a F1 car and 1:40.893 on a motoGP bike.

So going round corners fast is more important than opening up some wing flap on the straight. Get rid of DRS as soon as possible.
Big Blue

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
Also there are rumours of Newey being offered a blank cheque by Ferrari.


Twelfth Monkey

I think DRS had been a great idea.
PhilD

Big Blue wrote:


So going round corners fast is more important than opening up some wing flap on the straight. Get rid of DRS as soon as possible.


We know this, but how does that aid overtaking?
Sav

Big Blue wrote:
DRS is bollocks all round. The cars should be trimmed to be the best compromise for each circuit and live with whether then can go round corners on rails or fly down the straights at 320kph.

Interesting fact: F1 top speed at Barcelona is 318kph. motoGP top speed at Barcelona is 342.4kph. Respective Lap records are 1:19.954 in a F1 car and 1:40.893 on a motoGP bike.



Some cars over the weekend went 337 kph. It has been a while since F1 cars topped 200 mph on the main straight.

At Monza they really will be immense. Undoubtedly they are a lot slower on the overall lap, to the extent that GP2 front runners would give F1 back markers a difficult time, but the top speeds are a lot higher. Not sure if I have problem with this, the cars were terrific to watch all weekend.
Big Blue

PhilD wrote:
Big Blue wrote:


So going round corners fast is more important than opening up some wing flap on the straight. Get rid of DRS as soon as possible.


We know this, but how does that aid overtaking?


It doesn't but giving the vehicle behind a falsified advantage over the vehicle in front (ie 2 cars designed with x-amount of downforce for the corners; suddenly the car behind has less-than-x downforce and can pass the other car in a straight line, as was the case with all the main straight overtakes on Sunday) makes the race series as a whole look childishly like a video game. If the aero rules combined with the technical possibilities make it impossible to design cars that can race wheel to wheel without resorting to gimmickery the aero rules need to be revised. The fact that DRS is not available UNLESS you are overtaking (or to be correct: within 1 second of the car ahead) shows that there is a fundamental aero-rules issue. If the drivers could use it at will it would be more acceptable as a tool of the driver.

Additionally, I didn't see much overtaking at the sharp end, DRS or no-DRS. Remember how "boring" it was when Schumacher won everything and then Vettel did the same - Hamilton is now in danger of becoming boring and we may see him sporting a bushy moustache and speaking with a Brummie accent before long.
Tim

There's been a fundamental aero issue for the last 20-25 years but the governing body refuse to do anything about it.
Remember Max Mosley likening F1 to a game of chess - as if that was a good thing!
Twelfth Monkey

I think it's truer to say that DRS negates the falsified disadvantage that a following car experiences because F1 is now an aero formula. †In the days before downforce, the trailing car had the slipstream advantage. †I think a car that is the best part of a second a lap quicker should be able to get by, what is boring is when faster cars have to hold station because of lost downforce.
Tim

It also doesn't help that they're braking from 200mph for a hairpin in the space of about 100 yards.
If they went back to steel discs (or at least longer braking distances) I think there would be more scope for action in that part of the lap.
As it is braking lunges now come at the end of a DRS straight - see Vettel's various ones into turn 10 (or whatever number it is).
Twelfth Monkey

I think a few years back they looked at steel discs, and the deceleration wasn't massively different.
Eff One

Also, braking distances have been lengthened this year by higher straightline speeds and lower downforce, which has the double-whammy effect of making the cars less stable under braking while needing lower corner entry speeds. It was visibly noticeable into turn 1 at Barcelona.
Sav

I think DRS has largely been a positive introduction in the absence of revised aerodynamic regulations. There is no doubt that some passes have been rather too simple. For the most part, it allows the chasing driver to have a chance to pass that would have never existed without DRS. In Spain, a lot of the passes were decided into the braking area of turn 1, pretty much how overtaking has always been determined. The aero wake coming off the final turn was still significant enough to mean that mostly, drivers only caught the car in front by the end of the straight.

I still remember those dreadful races in Spain pre-Pirelli, pre DRS where it was just so immensely boring to watch. Compared to those years, I prefer this F1 with some actual racing and battling any day.

DRS might be a tad gimmicky, it might be a sticking plaster over a much larger issue, but I donít see things changing until the aero rules fundamentally get changed. And until then, F1 needs some sort of engineered entertainment.

The 2009 regulations were technically a huge change for Formula 1, but if the racing was barley any different. Rather than cutting downforce, various clever concepts were introduced at the rear of the cars to increase downforce. That was a missed opportunity.

The issue of overtaking and dirty air even stretches to NASCAR. For a few years NASCARís R&D centre in Charlotte has been looking at various ways to increase passing on intermediate 1.5 mile circuits. People complain passing is too difficult and the racing can become rather stale. Theyíve tried difference heights of the rear spoiler, positioning of the splitter, changing the deck lid, and they are even considering reducing the horsepower to help cars race alongside each other more frequently. The cars are going faster than ever before on downforce circuits, meaning passing on entry to turns is getting more difficult.

So far not much has changed in NASCAR, as long as the lead car can keep the chasing car pinned down to the apron, the lead car will have clean air and the optimum high line. DTM is also looking at revising its aerodynamic rules to make passing more of a possibility. It seems to be a problem in many series.
Sav

I do like watching the F1 cars in 2014. Corners that previously saw the cars seemingly glued the tarmac now appear to be more challenging. It has been a long time since F1 cars were tail happy in turn 9 in Spain. Similarly, turn 16 required the drivers to modulate the throttle and use the entire exit kerb. I donít think that was the case before, since F1 started to use the slower final section.

The Barclona circuit layout has never been particularly well suited to Formula 1 cars. A combination of fast corner entries, comparatively less braking compared to circuits like Bahrain and short straights means that it doesnít suit F1 cars for racing.

GP2 was fantastic to watch on Sunday, with overtaking on the outside of turn 4 and around the outside of turn 12. The tyres were far more sensitive and degraded quicker than the Formula 1 compounds. GP2 is less dependent on the circuit for racing, but I think a lot of this is because the series is a one-make formula - there is no real straightway or corner advantage for anybody. That keeps the order relatively close.  

On the subject of carbon brakes, IndyCar switched from steel brakes to carbon brakes when it introduced its new car, the DW12 in 2012. The racing on road and street courses has only improved. Reverting back to turbo engines and the new chassis has made more of an impact imo.

IndyCar only last Saturday raced around a revised version of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway road course and that was a great race.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Results and scores, rather belatedly

Pole Hamilton
Lap Vettel
Bonus 113.265 (Skyhook was closest with 114)

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Ricciardo
4 Vettel
5 Bottas
6 Alonso
7 Raikkonen
8 Grosjean
9 Perez
10 Hulkenberg
11 Button

Scores

16 - Sav
14 - Skyhook
13 - PhilD, JohnC, the other ct
12 - Mrs Skyhook, Eff One, Big TC
11 - Scouse
10 - Chris M
8 - Humphrey, Dr H, BeN
7 - Tim, Big Blue, Gooner
4 - Chocy Rocky

Deemed (4 points)

Eddie (sorry, eight hours late and highest score can't be allowed), Giant

Standings

66 - Chris M
61 - the other ct
56 - Sav
53 - Skyhook
52 - Mrs Skyhook
51 - PhilD
48 - JohnC
45 - Eff One
43 - Humphrey
42 - Big TC
41 - Dr H
34 - Nice Guy Eddie, Scouse
32 - Gooner, BeN
29 - Chocy Rocky, Tim
28 - Big Blue
22 - Giant

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