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Dr. Hfuhruhurr

F1 Game 2014 - Canadia

So off to North America for the next race. As usual, you need to guess the top ten finishers, the pole and fastest lappers, and answer the bonus question: how many drivers will retire because of accidents?

Deadline: Friday 6 June 2359 GMT
BeN

Best not to forget again...

1) Hamilton
2) Rosberg (we can probably copy and paste these two names here for the rest of the season)
3) Vettel
4) Alonso
5) Massa
6) Ricciardo
7) Hulkenberg
8) Raikkonen
9) Perez
10) Button

Pole Hamilton
Fastest Hamilton
Bonus 2
Scouse

Bollocks- usually the best race of the year and it's LSII's first communion :-(
JohnC

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Ricciardo
Bonus: 3

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Raikkonen
5. Vettel
6. Alonso
7. Magnussen
8. Button
9. Hulkenberg
10. Bottas

I'll get this in whilst I have time. Submitting pre practice didn't do BigTC any harm last race!
Sav

My favourite Grand Prix of the year and the best circuit for racing on the schedule.
Big TC

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Hamilton
Bonus: 4
1; Hamilton
2; Rosberg
3; Ricciardo
4; Vettel
5; Raikkonen
6; Alonso
7; Button
8; Bottas
9; Hulkenburg
10; Magnussen
Scouse

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Hamilton
Bonus: 6

1: Hamilton
2: Rosberg
3: Button
4: Alonso
5: Ricciardo
6: Massa
7: Raikonen
8: Hulkenberg
9: Vettel
10: Kvyat
Humphrey The Pug

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Hamilton
Bonus: 7

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Button
4. Raikkonen
5. Alonso
6. Massa
7. Ricciardo
8. Bottas
9. Vettel
10. Magnussen
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Pole/Lap Hamilton
Bonus 6

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Ricciardo
4 Alonso
5 Vettel
6 Raikkonen
7 Hulkneberg
8 Massa
9 Bottas
10 Magnussen
Tim

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Alonso
Bonus: 3

1 Hamilton
2 Rosberg
3 Alonso
4 Vettel
5 Raikkonen
6 Bottas
7 Button
8 Grosjean
9 Massa
10 Hulkenburg
Chocy Rocky

Pole: Rosberg
F/L: Rosberg
Bonus: 2

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Vettel
5. Raikkonen
6. Riccardo
7. Massa
8. Button
9. Bottas
10. Magnussen

Fingers crossed Hamilton doesn't whitewash the weekend.
PhilD

Pole: Ham
FL: Ham
Bonus: 4

1-Hamilton
2-Vettel
3-Rosberg
4-Ricciardo
5-Alonso
6-Button
7-Kimi
8-Bottas
9-Magnussen
10-Hulkenberg
the other ct

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Vettel
Bonus: 4

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Raikkonen
4. Vettel
5. Alonso
6. Bottas
7. Ricciardo
8. Button
9. Vergne
10. Hulkenberg
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Pole: Hamilton
F'Lap: Hamilton
Bonus: 4

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Alonso
4. Vettel
5. Bottas
6. Raikkonen
7. Ricciardo
8. Magnusson
9. Button
10. Massa
Skyhook

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest lap: Alonso
Bonus: 2

1st: Rosberg
2nd: Hamilton
3rd: Ricciardo
4th: Vettel
5th: Alonso
6th: Bottas
7th: Massa
8th: Raikkonen
9th: Hulkenberg
10th: Button
Mrs Skyhook

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Rosberg
Bonus: 4

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Ricciardo
4. Alonso
5. Massa
6. Raikkonen
7. Vettel
8. Button
9. Grosjean
10. Bottas
gooner

Pole Hamilton
Fl Alonso
Bonus 3

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Alonso
4. Vetted
5. Kiki
6. Hulkenberg
7. Ricardo
8. Bottas
9. Magnussen
10. Verne
Eff One

Pole: Hamilton
F/L: Hamilton
Bonus: 3

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Alonso
4. Button
5. Massa
6. Raikkonen
7. Vettel
8. Magnussen
9. Bottas
10. Vergne
Sav

Pole: Hamilton
Fastest lap: Rosberg
Bonus: 4

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Alonso
4. Vettel
5. Ricciardo
6. Raikkonen
7. Bottas
8. Button
9. Massa
10. Vergne
Big Blue

oops. Missed the deadline
Big TC

Well, that got a bit better after halfway!

It's always nice to see a first-time GP winner, but I'm really pleased to see Vettel get  beaten by Ricciardo (on a regular basis).
(Still think that Hammy will be Champion, though)
PhilD

Big TC wrote:
Well, that got a bit better after halfway!

It's always nice to see a first-time GP winner, but I'm really pleased to see Vettel get †beaten by Ricciardo (on a regular basis).
(Still think that Hammy will be Champion, though)


I've been so impressed with Ricardo, it's Webber Plus! I only really watched the second half of the race so can't comment on it getting better but I what I saw was terrific even if I think my heart stopped when Massa and Perez came together!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

At least I've scored more points than in Monaco!
Great shame about Massa's silly accident. Poor Perez, almost in sight of the flag and he gets taken out in a big way.
Poor Hamilton, 2 car failures and resulting DNF's this year, not his fault, whilst Rosberg continues with 100% record.
And Max Chilton ended his run of finishing every race in a big way too.
Sav

It was a terrific Grand Prix.

I chuckled at Max Chiltonís reasoning for ramming his teammate. Apparently Bianchiís late braking into the turn caught him out. No, Max, you quite simply wrecked your teammate.

I did think that the brakes might be an issue this weekend. A combination of longer braking zones due to the higher straightway speeds, less downforce and much higher air temperatures for today meant that the brakes would take more of a pounding. Montreal has seen brake issues before, but not for a while. Only Bahrain and Singapore get close to Montrealís braking demands.

Glad to see Perez and Massa escaping relatively unscathed from that accident. The onboard footage of Massaís car breaks up before he connects with Perez, but perhaps Massa just got caught out by the extent of Perezí deceleration, bearing in mind the later was struggling with fading brakes.
DetmoldDick

What if Rosberg had conceded the lead to Hamilton after missing the chicane? Of course he gained an advantage by missing the chicane, he would have otherwise been overtaken.

Hamilton would have been running in clear, cool air and may not have experienced his mechanical /electrical problems.

It seems to me that Rosberg is repeatedly pushing the limits of legality on the track and is the new darling of the stewards.
gooner

DetmoldDick wrote:
What if Rosberg had conceded the lead to Hamilton after missing the chicane? Of course he gained an advantage by missing the chicane, he would have otherwise been overtaken.

Hamilton would have been running in clear, cool air and may not have experienced his mechanical /electrical problems.

It seems to me that Rosberg is repeatedly pushing the limits of legality on the track and is the new darling of the stewards.


I think Rosberg got away with it because Hamilton was not actually in the process of overtaking when they reached the chicane and had not passed Rosberg, therefore there was no place to give back as Hamilton hadn't taken the place. Bit dodgy nonetheless mind.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

"A bit dodgy"..... you don't have to gain or hold a place, you have to be seen to gain an advantage before you are penalised.
Rosberg's cut of the chicane gave him his fastest lap of the race up to that point, and increased the gap to Hamilton by around another 0.6 seconds.
An advantage was definitely gained.
I think he wasn't penalised because of racism which I still believe exists in F1; don't think the stewards wanted a black driver to be given the lead (discuss).

This morning I read that Perez moved over on Massa causing the last-lap crash, and Perez has a 5-place penalty for the next race
JohnC

Well those results didn't do too much for my points total!
Good race though and nice to see Ricciardo with a win.
Rosberg was a bit too smug for my liking and it's going to be difficult for Hamilton to get back to the top unless Rosberg has some bad luck of his own. I can see it coming to blows at some point because Rosberg's behaviour suggests that he would be prepared to do a Schumacher and take his nearest rival out if it meant that he stayed ahead in the points.

I'm not sure what to think about the Massa/Perez accident. If Perez's brakes were so bad that he had to slow down so early then he should probably have go out of the way a bit more readily. On the other hand Massa could have pulled over further and been through without contact: lost points for both teams which they could both do with.

Enjoyable watching.
JohnC

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
I think he wasn't penalised because of racism which I still believe exists in F1; don't think the stewards wanted a black driver to be given the lead (discuss).



I really don't see that being the case. There might be some anti Hamilton sentiment but I don't believe that has anything to do with the colour of his skin.
Other drivers often refer to him as "Hamilton" but then refer to other drivers by their Christian names or nickname which suggests that he maybe isn't the most popular person in the paddock. I have no idea of the specifics but I do remember when I was racing that there were always guys who would run to the stewards with a complaint about this or that or would stomp about like spoilt brats when things weren't going their way - they tended to be left on the outside by the other drivers and certainly wouldn't be helped with as much enthusiasm. I think any lack of popularity is likely to be for these reasons and not race.

Who were the race stewards in Canada?
Skyhook

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
At least I've scored more points than in Monaco!
Great shame about Massa's silly accident. Poor Perez, almost in sight of the flag and he gets taken out in a big way.


Perez has been penalised for the crash. Data showed Massa braked 5 metres earlier than normal, and that Perez moved over slightly.
Frank Bullitt

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:

I think he wasn't penalised because of racism which I still believe exists in F1; don't think the stewards wanted a black driver to be given the lead (discuss).


Cobblers.

It also wasn't too hard to spot that Perez came across on Massa.

An interesting race but worryingly most of the excitement came from how artificial technology performed.
Eff One

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
"A bit dodgy"..... you don't have to gain or hold a place, you have to be seen to gain an advantage before you are penalised.
Rosberg's cut of the chicane gave him his fastest lap of the race up to that point, and increased the gap to Hamilton by around another 0.6 seconds.
An advantage was definitely gained.
I think he wasn't penalised because of racism which I still believe exists in F1; don't think the stewards wanted a black driver to be given the lead (discuss).

This morning I read that Perez moved over on Massa causing the last-lap crash, and Perez has a 5-place penalty for the next race


The rule as explained by DC for the final chicane was that if you missed it once - and didn't gain or hold a place by doing so - you were given a warning. If you did it again you were penalised.

It was a shame to see the Massa/Perez battle end in the wall. Initially I thought it was Massa's fault, though it seemed an unlikely misjudgement. But the replays do show Perez moving. I think Massa could have left more space though - 60/40 Perez IMO.
Humphrey The Pug

If Hamilton had cut the chicane would he have been penalised? Yes I think he would have.

Yes Rosberg didn't gain a place however he did gain 0.6 of a second and if he had have taken the chicane properly Hamilton would have overtaken him.

You are talking bollocks Chris regarding racism however I don't think Hamilton is particularly liked within the paddock and given what we see of him I'm not particularly surprised that he isn't liked and given his "because I is black" comment a few years ago I doubt that has been forgotten where the stewards are concerned.

Kudos for Vettel being the first to congratulate Ricciardo and it looked a genuine congratulations too particularly with him lifiting him up and hugging him.

Did anyone hear Rosberg say "good" when he was told that hamilton had DNF'd, I didn't, however other forums are saying he did, he said it in the room where they go just before they go on to the podium.
Big Blue

The question "Hamilton - DNF?" was asked by Vettel. If Rosberg said "gut" or Vettel said "gut" is a moot point: they're both German (and a title win for a German is a title win for Germany); they both know the paddock scene and they both have an opinion of the others in the paddock.

As to the Rosberg missing the chicane: Hamilton was nowhere near so the "warning" not "give a place back" solution is used. DC quite clearly said that BEFORE the warning was issued. It was great: more psyche-stress for Hamilton.

We're going to the next one so I can tell you all whether they sound shit or not. I also expect there to be a sea of Tifosi and a sea of German Mercedes fans as it is a short journey for both groups.
Frank Bullitt

If Hamilton's car had gone up in a ball of flames and Rosberg had said 'good' this would be an issue but finding out your competition didn't score should be a reason to be pleased, and why not.
Nice Guy Eddie

I thought Chris was joking. I doubt Hamilton would ever have got a seat driving for Renault when Flav was in charge but I very much doubt the stewards give a toss. Still it would be cool to see a Hamilton doing his Ali G again.

This puts Rosberg firm favourite for the title and Hamilton needs to seriously raise his game as Nico has a very nice points cushion now.

Poor old Marussia, They probably said to Chiltern for the first time to go see what he could do rather then just make it to the end and then that happens.
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
If Hamilton's car had gone up in a ball of flames and Rosberg had said 'good' this would be an issue but finding out your competition didn't score should be a reason to be pleased, and why not.


because it's your team mate?
Martin

PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
If Hamilton's car had gone up in a ball of flames and Rosberg had said 'good' this would be an issue but finding out your competition didn't score should be a reason to be pleased, and why not.


because it's your team mate?


That doesn't matter, he's your main rival so it's perfectly natural to feel that way.  It would have been different if he'd crashed out and was injured.
PhilD

Martin wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
If Hamilton's car had gone up in a ball of flames and Rosberg had said 'good' this would be an issue but finding out your competition didn't score should be a reason to be pleased, and why not.


because it's your team mate?


That doesn't matter, he's your main rival so it's perfectly natural to feel that way. †It would have been different if he'd crashed out and was injured.


Of course it matters.
Frank Bullitt

PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
If Hamilton's car had gone up in a ball of flames and Rosberg had said 'good' this would be an issue but finding out your competition didn't score should be a reason to be pleased, and why not.


because it's your team mate?


Specifically because he is your team mate - I think the first rule is to make sure you are ahead of the other chap driving the same car at the end of the season.

It's a team sport but I don't suspect that at a driver level it is without the shed-loads of cash spent on people who develop 'culture' and re-engineer their brains to make sure a Prost/ Senna moment doesn't happen.
Eff One

Humphrey The Pug wrote:
If Hamilton had cut the chicane would he have been penalised? Yes I think he would have.


No, assuming the same situation the rule is clear. Also, Rosberg was fully aware that he'd gained time by cutting the chicane, and slowed down in the first couple of corners on the following lap.

They were right not to penalise him.
Martin

PhilD wrote:
Of course it matters.


Not if you want to be World Champion when you've got a decent/comparable team mate!
BeN

Big TC wrote:
Well, that got a bit better after halfway!

It's always nice to see a first-time GP winner, but I'm really pleased to see Vettel get †beaten by Ricciardo (on a regular basis).
(Still think that Hammy will be Champion, though)


Dang. I went to sleep.  

Must watch the repeat.
PhilD

Martin wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Of course it matters.


Not if you want to be World Champion when you've got a decent/comparable team mate!


and how do you think you become world champion? Not biting the hand the feeds you springs to mind.
PhilD

Frank Bullitt wrote:
PhilD wrote:
Frank Bullitt wrote:
If Hamilton's car had gone up in a ball of flames and Rosberg had said 'good' this would be an issue but finding out your competition didn't score should be a reason to be pleased, and why not.


because it's your team mate?


Specifically because he is your team mate - I think the first rule is to make sure you are ahead of the other chap driving the same car at the end of the season.

It's a team sport but I don't suspect that at a driver level it is without the shed-loads of cash spent on people who develop 'culture' and re-engineer their brains to make sure a Prost/ Senna moment doesn't happen.


be pleased but don't be so stupid as to say it while the eyes of the world are on you.
PR

I think we all know Rosberg will be absolutely delighted that Hamilton failed to finish but it's rather crass to express it in public, if that's indeed what he did.

Still, if you want to see unsporting behaviour on a mass scale may I refer you back to the Murray-Monfils match last week at Roland Garros. Any point Murray won was met with a barely audible hint of light clapping whereas if he made an error (which he did, rather a lot, during the third and fourth sets) the crowd went mad with cheers.
gooner

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:

I think he wasn't penalised because of racism which I still believe exists in F1; don't think the stewards wanted a black driver to be given the lead (discuss).


Wow. I've read some daft comments on here, and have written my fair share, but that takes some beating. I really do hope you don't truly believe that.
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I thought Chris was joking.

There is one person at least who can see my sometimes bizarre sense of humour !
Tim

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Poor Hamilton, 2 car failures and resulting DNF's this year, not his fault, ....


The more I think about it the more I have to disagree with part of this.

Hamilton and Rosberg both had the same electrical issue at the same point and I think Rosberg had already been told about brake issues (he certainly queried what balance setting Hamilton was on).
I think Hamilton suffered a bit of red mist behind Rosberg and failed to protect his brakes in his determination to show Rosberg who's the boss, thus resulting in his retirement.

While Hamilton may be one of the fastest drivers out there - certainly faster than his team mate over a lap - it looks to me as if he doesn't think about the race as much as some others.

On a separate point I was interested to see the power usage graphic for Hamilton and Vettel early in the race - coming up to the final chicane they had both used about 50% of the available electric power.
In a race where fuel usage was an issue I would've expected the electric to be fully used in a lap to help keep fuel consumption down.
Unless they can't regenerate 100% of the electric in a normal lap at Montreal?
Giant

Tim wrote:
Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Poor Hamilton, 2 car failures and resulting DNF's this year, not his fault, ....


The more I think about it the more I have to disagree with part of this.


I think that was Chris' point. I think Chris needs to ramp up the sarcasm a notch in his posts to avoid confusion!
Tim

Yes, now I've re-read it I would take it that way.
It's all Chris' fault  
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Tim wrote:

Unless they can't regenerate 100% of the electric in a normal lap at Montreal?

I thought I heard a couple of races back one of the commentary team saying that the rules are framed such that you take 2 full laps to recover/harvest the full amount of energy that you can deploy over one lap.
So you can either use half the amount of permitted electrical boost each lap, or the full amount every 2nd lap (or any mix in between)
gooner

Chris M Wanted a V-10 wrote:
Nice Guy Eddie wrote:
I thought Chris was joking.

There is one person at least who can see my sometimes bizarre sense of humour !


Perhaps I didn't get the sarcasm!
Alf McQueef

It was pretty gutting for the neutral observer that a severely hobbled Mercedes was only overtaken by one car - then not easily - despite being hobbled for much of the race.

And for Hamilton of course - as his team mate is unlikely to finish much below second without a very serious mechanical issue.

Still, it was a properly exciting race for once.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Pole Rosberg
Lap Massa
Bonus (number of accident retirements) 4 (Perez, Massa, Chilton, Bianchi)

1 Ricciardo
2 Rosberg
3 Vettel
4 Button
5 Hulkenberg
6 Alonso
7 Bottas
8 vergne
9 Magnussen
10 Raikkonen
11 Perez

Scores

10 - Big TC
9 - Gooner
8 - PhilD, the other ct, Sav
7 - Humphrey, Eff One
6 - BeN, JohnC, Chris M
5 - Tim
4 - Scouse, Dr H, Chocy Rocky, M et Mme Skyhook

Deemed (4 points)

Nice Guy Eddie, Big Blue, Giant

Standings

74 - the other ct
73 - Chris M
71 - Sav
66 - Skyhook
65 - Mrs Skyhook
64 - Big TC
62 - PhilD
59 - JohnC
58 - Eff One
56 - Humphrey
51 - Dr H
46 - Nice Guy Eddie
44 - Scouse
42 - Gooner
39 - BeN
38 - Tim
35 - Chocy Rocky, Big Blue
27 - Giant

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