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PG

F-Pace sold out

Was in the Jag dealer today. The aircon has stopped working on the XFR and a diagnostic showed the condenser had failed, so they've ordered one for fitting in about 10 days. Extended warranty should cover in full.

Anyway.... I saw the sales guy who sold me the XFR and we got chatting about the F-Pace. Had a good look and sit in one in the showroom. The interior is pretty much new XF. The stance and exterior are pretty much spot on to my eye (save the inevitable privacy glass that this one was fitted with). But £47k for a fully loaded, optioned to death 2.0d was a bit of a "how much??" moment.

But as they have already sold their entire 2016 allocation, price clearly is not holding people back. With a 12 month waiting list then, sounds like a success.
Thomas Magman

Re: F-Pace sold out

PG wrote:
Was in the Jag dealer today. The aircon has stopped working on the XFR and a diagnostic showed the condenser had failed, so they've ordered one for fitting in about 10 days. Extended warranty should cover in full.

Anyway.... I saw the sales guy who sold me the XFR and we got chatting about the F-Pace. Had a good look and sit in one in the showroom. The interior is pretty much new XF. The stance and exterior are pretty much spot on to my eye (save the inevitable privacy glass that this one was fitted with). But £47k for a fully loaded, optioned to death 2.0d was a bit of a "how much??" moment.

But as they have already sold their entire 2016 allocation, price clearly is not holding people back. With a 12 month waiting list then, sounds like a success.


This the SUV thingie? Doesn't surprise me they've sold them all - wasn't it these type of cars that saved Porsche at one point?

Was it the dealer down by Asda? They often seem to have nice saloons parked in the cinema overflow
PG

Re: F-Pace sold out

Thomas Magman wrote:
Was it the dealer down by Asda?


Surely was.
gonnabuildabuggy

How big is the F Pace?

Can't work out from pics if it's XE, XF or XJ sized?
PhilD

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
How big is the F Pace?

Can't work out from pics if it's XE, XF or XJ sized?


More XE than XF, and more Macan than Cayenne.
Racing Teatray

I was in a Jag dealer the other day, casting an eye over the XE (wife likes them, I was a bit underwhelmed) and there was an F-Pace in the showroom. Did zero for me. I can't imagine buying one even if I did want an SUV. I just don't think the current generation of Jags quite do it for me, save the F-Type coupe and the XF estate.
ds240

Had a sit in one yesterday.

I do like how they look, certainly a macan/Q5 sized rival.

Inside.. Is nice, but pushing it I feel for the price point. It's a nice clean dashboard design. I was sat in the S, so at the current top of their price range.

I wasn't blown away with a sense of premium with the upper dashboard areas or leather but not too much it would be a deal breaker. However and the lower plastics (doors, seat bases) were frankly 'budget'.

The fact there are hard plastics isn't that bad, but it was the sharp edges which was quite surprising. Clearly some areas can't get the cash splashed quite like audi/bmw/merc/porsche.

There are some rough edges, but I really think jaguar are onto a winner. It doesn't surprise me if allocations have run out and good luck to jag. It will be nice for them to get some proper cash injection from sales which will lead to more development funds for mk2.

They might even fill in huge gaps in the range like no estate XE or XF currently.

But... At the moment for me, the macan would still be my option if buying in this sector.
Bob Sacamano

I would imagine this successful launch will ensure that the mid life refresh will address the areas of poor interior quality.
PG

PhilD wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
How big is the F Pace?

Can't work out from pics if it's XE, XF or XJ sized?


More XE than XF, and more Macan than Cayenne.


Yep, it looks XF sized, but is actually in the middle, tending more to the XE. It is 10cm wider than an XE or XF - the interior did feel pretty "broad".

Stats (mm) - - - Wheelbase / Length / Width (including mirrors)
XE                     2835             4672          2078
XF                     2960             4954          2091
F-Pace               2874             4731          2175
tali

47k ? -you buy an Evoque convertible for that !  
Giant

PG wrote:
PhilD wrote:
gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
How big is the F Pace?

Can't work out from pics if it's XE, XF or XJ sized?


More XE than XF, and more Macan than Cayenne.


Yep, it looks XF sized, but is actually in the middle, tending more to the XE. It is 10cm wider than an XE or XF - the interior did feel pretty "broad".

Stats (mm) - - - Wheelbase / Length / Width (including mirrors)
XE                     2835             4672          2078
XF                     2960             4954          2091
F-Pace               2874             4731          2175


Comparing raw dimensions of car always intrigues me, the XF is only 282mm longer than the XE, which equates to 6% longer, yet it looks, and I imagine generally perceived, as a a far larger car.

It's the same when the magazines compare a new model with its predecessor and comments of 'it's grown significantly' actually are normally discussing dimensions of <100mm.
Tim

On the price thing I suspect we're possibly all still at the point where we think that a 2 litre diesel should be in the 20s prior to options but that's clearly not the case any more.
How does the F-Pace compare with the German rivals on price?
Bob Sacamano

Tim wrote:
On the price thing I suspect we're possibly all still at the point where we think that a 2 litre diesel should be in the 20s prior to options but that's clearly not the case any more.
How does the F-Pace compare with the German rivals on price?


I'm not sure why we would expect a well-specced 2.0d to cost less than a well specced 3.0d or 3.5d. The manufacturing costs are largely similar.
Martin

Tim wrote:
On the price thing I suspect we're possibly all still at the point where we think that a 2 litre diesel should be in the 20s prior to options but that's clearly not the case any more.
How does the F-Pace compare with the German rivals on price?


The list price of a 2.0d R Sport is £41k compared to £38.5k for an X3 2.0d M Sport Auto, which discounts down to about £35k.  You could get an X3 35d M Sport for £39,000.  It's a similar story with the Q5, £40k would get you into an SQ5.

The 3.0d S is £51,500, the X5 40d M Sport is £50,000.

A 3.0d Macan is £46,000.
Racing Teatray

Terrifyingly, Italian TV (which I have at home) is showing a new advert for the F-Pace starring none other than Professor Stephen Hawking. It's really rather creepy.
Bob Sacamano

Racing Teatray wrote:
Terrifyingly, Italian TV (which I have at home) is showing a new advert for the F-Pace starring none other than Professor Stephen Hawking. It's really rather creepy.


What part is he playing - the Satnav?
PhilD

Bob Sacamano wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
Terrifyingly, Italian TV (which I have at home) is showing a new advert for the F-Pace starring none other than Professor Stephen Hawking. It's really rather creepy.


What part is he playing - the Satnav?


Racing Teatray

No. More a sort of weird "I've been expecting you Mr Bond"-type character waiting in some vast room equipped with giant screens to whom the driver of the F-Pace has been rushing.
Thomas Magman

There was some blurb on the supercharged V6 one in the last EVO
Martin

There's a fuller test in this months mag
PhilD

Racing Teatray wrote:
Terrifyingly, Italian TV (which I have at home) is showing a new advert for the F-Pace starring none other than Professor Stephen Hawking. It's really rather creepy.


12th look away now

https://youtu.be/XYkcuxw4aJM
Thomas Magman

Martin wrote:
There's a fuller test in this months mag


I only got my last one on Friday!
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Racing Teatray wrote:
Terrifyingly, Italian TV (which I have at home) is showing a new advert for the F-Pace starring none other than Professor Stephen Hawking. It's really rather creepy.


I'd rather see one with Professor Stanley Unwin spouting forth about the F-Pace......
Alf McQueef

I'm interested in whether it works with the road, yet still handles, Jaguar style, or smashes through it taking no prisoners, Audi style. Certainly more interested in that than some of the less obvious plastics, I rarely spot those things.

After the Ghibli (rather annoyingly, for an almost sensible and affordable Masser) disappointed,  the Maserati Levante seems to have rather hit the jackpot if Evo are to be believed, so it can be done. The Macan seems like a good size and overall proposition but a lot of the reports seem to suggest that while it can go round corners fast, its not a lot of fun, which is a shame - the Q3 RS shows it can be done.

I'm worryingly interested in these sorts of vehicles (the fast petrol variants anyway), though driving a Discovery recently reminded me how much I hate a really raised driving position, so I suspect the interest has its limits.
Tim

Alf McQueef wrote:

I'm worryingly interested in these sorts of vehicles (the fast petrol variants anyway), though driving a Discovery recently reminded me how much I hate a really raised driving position, so I suspect the interest has its limits.


My brother in law has just bought a 53 plate X5 4.6iS.
Having driven it briefly I was pleasantly surprised at how solid it felt but having just stepped out of the 370 it felt like driving a double deck bus from the top deck and was incredibly 'airy', the windows are huge!
Michael

Alf McQueef wrote:
though driving a Discovery recently reminded me how much I hate a really raised driving position, so I suspect the interest has its limits.


A Discovery is quite different to most of the breed as the window line is so much lower to give that 'commanding' driving position - but it does make you feel sat on it rather than in it.
My mother has just got a Cayenne (I had nothing to do with it) and that has a far more car like driving position and experience.
gonnabuildabuggy

Tim wrote:
Alf McQueef wrote:

I'm worryingly interested in these sorts of vehicles (the fast petrol variants anyway), though driving a Discovery recently reminded me how much I hate a really raised driving position, so I suspect the interest has its limits.


My brother in law has just bought a 53 plate X5 4.6iS.
Having driven it briefly I was pleasantly surprised at how solid it felt but having just stepped out of the 370 it felt like driving a double deck bus from the top deck and was incredibly 'airy', the windows are huge!


I'd be interested to hear how he gets on with this. I really fancied one back when I ended up with the E500 and still do to some extent. However the X5 "Image" and fuel consumption (I suspect he will be lucky to get 15 mpg) are putting me off them a bit nowadays.
Racing Teatray

Michael wrote:
Alf McQueef wrote:
though driving a Discovery recently reminded me how much I hate a really raised driving position, so I suspect the interest has its limits.


A Discovery is quite different to most of the breed as the window line is so much lower to give that 'commanding' driving position - but it does make you feel sat on it rather than in it.
My mother has just got a Cayenne (I had nothing to do with it) and that has a far more car like driving position and experience.


I remember that very low window line feature from the (original-shape) Range Rovers that my father had when I was a teenager. We loved going in those cars - particularly the LSE one he had - it was a brilliant family car.
Tim

gonnabuildabuggy wrote:
Tim wrote:
My brother in law has just bought a 53 plate X5 4.6iS.
Having driven it briefly I was pleasantly surprised at how solid it felt but having just stepped out of the 370 it felt like driving a double deck bus from the top deck and was incredibly 'airy', the windows are huge!


I'd be interested to hear how he gets on with this. I really fancied one back when I ended up with the E500 and still do to some extent. However the X5 "Image" and fuel consumption (I suspect he will be lucky to get 15 mpg) are putting me off them a bit nowadays.


He texted me this morning to say that on a run on main roads at 55-65 and with a couple of overtakes he got 22.1 but that on the motorway it dropped to 19, presumably due to higher speed vs wind resistance.

He does say it needs all the O2 sensors replaced, I've told him to check the MAFs and it may need all the filters done too so the economy may improve!
He opted for a 4.6 instead of the 4.8 as I think the latter has air suspension which could presumably be a bit of a money pit.
gonnabuildabuggy

Tim wrote:

He texted me this morning to say that on a run on main roads at 55-65 and with a couple of overtakes he got 22.1 but that on the motorway it dropped to 19, presumably due to higher speed vs wind resistance.

He does say it needs all the O2 sensors replaced, I've told him to check the MAFs and it may need all the filters done too so the economy may improve!
He opted for a 4.6 instead of the 4.8 as I think the latter has air suspension which could presumably be a bit of a money pit.


I think he's doing well already on economy, my E500 got about 20mpg average and that's far lighter, although I'll admit I did tend to drive it hard.

RR's struggle to get to 20mpg so anything starting with a 2 is an excellent result.
Alf McQueef

It doesn't sound great to me. If you just get on the motorway and drive at 80 ish, even picking back up to that speed briskly when slowed down, the XFR will easily do 26, drive with any semblance of anticipation and skill and well over 27 is possible even cruising at 80. Slow a bit, or hit some long 50 limit roadworks, and it nudges 30.

I suppose that's 4WD and barn door aerodynamics playing a part on the X5! I bet the newer ones are better...
Chris M Wanted a V-10

Alf McQueef wrote:
..... or hit some long 50 limit roadworks, and it nudges 30.

Ah, you've been traveling a lot on the M3 recently too, then.
Yesterday and this evening, I have passed recent multi-car accidents just where the roadworks start (heaidng north-bound) after Fleet services.  Both were clear, bright, dry days. Fortunately I've only been held up very briefly on both occasions
PG

Racing Teatray wrote:
I remember that very low window line feature from the (original-shape) Range Rovers that my father had when I was a teenager. We loved going in those cars - particularly the LSE one he had - it was a brilliant family car.


When I had the two Range Rover classics, younger children of visitors always wanted to go in them as they could actually see out.
Racing Teatray

And they had rear fold-down armrests on the sides as well, IIRC...?
Michael

Racing Teatray wrote:
And they had rear fold-down armrests on the sides as well, IIRC...?


We had an LSE that had those - stopped you sitting on the massive wheel arch intrusion.
Racing Teatray

Michael wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
And they had rear fold-down armrests on the sides as well, IIRC...?


We had an LSE that had those - stopped you sitting on the massive wheel arch intrusion.


Dad's second one was an LSE too.

This is a 18yr old me at the wheel!

Michael

Is that the mobile phone aerial in the lower right? I think we had them stuck on the rear side windows. Bit like those yellow Philips coded radio stickers it not something you see these days.
Racing Teatray

Yes, because it had two and the other was at the back so that they didn't interfere with one another. The reason was that it was delivered with a handset car phone installed between the front seats, and then my father subsequently had one of the first hands-free cradles installed on the dashboard for his Motorola mobile. Which meant you could ring the front of the car from the back of the car, and vice-versa, which was relatively amusing and ever so slightly OTT.
PG

Michael wrote:
Racing Teatray wrote:
And they had rear fold-down armrests on the sides as well, IIRC...?


We had an LSE that had those - stopped you sitting on the massive wheel arch intrusion.


Indeed they did.  

I loved the front seat arm rests too. They were really comfy and you could sit their in your "armchair" all day at 85 leptons.
Tim

Our Shogun had the fold down rear armrests on the outsides.
Always seemed a bit weird.
Alf McQueef

Evo were very nice about the F Pace - forgetting their own test of the Levante recently, they said it and the Macan are the only two SUVs that people should consider if they want driving pleasure to be in the equation. They said the interior was as good quality, and better in overall design/space/appeal, as the Macan as well, and that the whole packasge is better than the Cayenne even on pure driving. It lacks the last few % of the Macan's driving dynamics but since even the porker has come up short compared to cars not SUV's, and 99% of the customers will never notice, that's no loss.

The only shame to me was that, as with the XE, there was not much love for the V6S engine, which seems well reviewed in the F Type but not elsewhere. You do want a lot of torque in this sort of car and even I would consider the diesel (V6 diesel anyway) the more obvious choice as the rattling somehow suits an SUV, whereas an out and out sport car, certainly a soft top, with a derv is far more questionable. The forthcoming V8 will be the one to buy second hand in a few years anyway...

Hopefully it will make Jaguar far more profitable, and from my position make the dealers more numerous, larger, and professional as they have to deal with all these customers. The dealer experience I have had so far has been acceptable - and cheaper than expected - but much more Alfa than BMW.
franki68

A friend has been enquiring and quoted September delivery .
Twelfth Monkey

I was looking at one of these in the B&Q car park yesterday.  My conclusion is that if I was held at gunpoint and ordered to buy a 4x4, it'd probably be one of these.  Lose a couple of inches out of the ride height and it'd be a handsome beast - just a slightly taller estate, really...
JohnC

The solicitor across the road turned up in his new 66 plate one yesterday. All black with big (silver) wheels which look about 21". It is pretty handsome. I haven't been to look at it properly yet so I have no idea what engine it has but given that he has had a Cayman S, followed by a diesel Evoque which he hated and a C250 estate which he didn't much like either, I have the feeling this might have more go than the last 2 cars.
PhilD

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
I was looking at one of these in the B&Q car park yesterday.  My conclusion is that if I was held at gunpoint and ordered to buy a 4x4, it'd probably be one of these.  Lose a couple of inches out of the ride height and it'd be a handsome beast - just a slightly taller estate, really...


I'm fine with 4x4/SUVs (in fact I think I'd quite suit one!) but agree that F-Pace is a handsome beast. I was a little disappointed at first, as I thought it could have been braver, but it's a grower with great proportions (as per normal for Callum designs).

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