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PhilD

Evo 217

I just know I'm going to enjoy this. Easily in my top 5, probably my top 3 and on some days it's number 1:


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simonp

Did you ever read this?

http://www.build-threads.com/tag/ferrari-f40-lm-restoration/
PhilD

No, that's brilliant thanks!
Alf McQueef

Same here, I can go on about liking NA engines as much as I like, but the F40 just has a massive allure and alongside its 288GTO brother is always in my top 3.

I'm still reading the COTY in last month's Evo currently - I've been busy!! It was interesting that a few people suggested there that the 488 had such low to mid range grunt that you find yourself not revving it out, and not being as immersed in the experience as you'd like. Not an issue for most cars, and I'm pretty happy riding a wave of torque in my saloon 95% of the time if I'm honest, but in the smallest, mid-engined, Ferrari this is surely an issue? Because it only exists for that 5% of your mileage... The 456 will go down as a classic for sure. I want one - or even a 430...
Twelfth Monkey

The 570S seems to represent McLaren hitting the nail firmly on the head.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

For me the Ferrari was the moral winner of COTY, as the top three are no longer available, other than by paying way over the odds to speculator cvnts ...
PhilD

Twelfth Monkey wrote:
The 570S seems to represent McLaren hitting the nail firmly on the head.


Pretty amazing considering they started from scratch 5 years ago.
franki68

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
For me the Ferrari was the moral winner of COTY, as the top three are no longer available, other than by paying way over the odds to speculator cvnts ...


I would hazard a guess if you want to buy the ferrari you will face a very long wait list and a substantial premium to take delivery within the next 12 months.
franki68

The mclaren is so tempting,if I hadn't just bought a car I think I may have gone for it.
Alf McQueef

Finally read the article. Knew the GT4 would win, though to be fair it sounds absolutely lovely, and very much to my tastes - I actually like an initial hint of understeer on turn in if driving conventionally - I'm a natural trail braker and things that are set up too neutral/oversteer balance can scare me. All of the various Cayman track specials (I'm not enough of a Porsche nerd to know the various terminologies) have sounded brilliant to me. I want a go!

McLaren have done a great job. Their first post-F1 car was technically excellent and a lot of people liked it, since then they have relentlessly worked on the very difficult subjective side of car appeal and seem to have cracked it with the 675LT and 570S.  That combined with their competitors coming towards them in also having turbo engines has made their cars seem real contenders now. Not bad for 4 years work.

There was a lot of talk about speed on the road this year, and the relentless pace of modern forced induction cars does worry me, I would love to see what speed people like Barker and the Franchittis get to in something like a GT3 or 488 or 675LT when fully "on it" - it will easily be double the NSL on most open, straightish roads, and that's not only license loss, but prison territory, especially if anything goes wrong. And that's where these cars go wrong, as that performance aims them towards a track, but any number of lightweight track specials is more approacheable and more enjoyable on a track.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

franki68 wrote:
I would hazard a guess if you want to buy the ferrari you will face a very long wait list and a substantial premium to take delivery within the next 12 months.

True, but at least Joe Public can buy a new one, given the readies and a certain amount of patience.

Speaking of which, did you read about McLaren's 995 a month deal on the 570S?
PhilD

franki68 wrote:
The mclaren is so tempting,if I hadn't just bought a car I think I may have gone for it.


Damn, would have been great reading about your McLaren!
Twelfth Monkey

Dr. Hfuhruhurr wrote:
franki68 wrote:
I would hazard a guess if you want to buy the ferrari you will face a very long wait list and a substantial premium to take delivery within the next 12 months.

True, but at least Joe Public can buy a new one, given the readies and a certain amount of patience.

Speaking of which, did you read about McLaren's 995 a month deal on the 570S?


Is that a hefty-downpayment-and-balloon deal?
Martin

I saw this advertised, £40k deposit and a £90k balloon iirc, so 3 years / 36,000 miles costs around £76,000
Twelfth Monkey

Ten years ago I'd be doing man maths.  Now I'd just see it as deferring retirement by 4-5 years, and alas that's just not worth it.
Martin

I've got a link to a price list if you change your mind!

By the time you've added a colour you'd want, memory seats, parking sensors and a few other options you're soon over £10k, most of which would be lost after 3 years.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Martin wrote:
By the time you've added a colour you'd want, memory seats, parking sensors and a few other options you're soon over £10k, most of which would be lost after 3 years.

Sadly, McLaren are playing the same piss-taking game as Ferrari and Porsche when it comes to options and their prices.
Martin

They are.  I had a look through the options list and its rediculous.
PhilD

simonp wrote:
Did you ever read this?

http://www.build-threads.com/tag/ferrari-f40-lm-restoration/


only just made it to part 2 (of 5!) Talk about detailed!
simonp

I only looked at the pictures!
Tim

EVO is becoming increasingly hard to read.
Too many stupidly expensive cars (most Ferraris of the last few years have had £50k of extras on) and way too much talk of 'over-rotating' the rear axle, etc as if they're a bunch of top notch racing drivers.

It was fairly clear from the car of the year test that a lot of the machinery they had required to be going extremely fast to be at its best, that's contrary to most peoples abilities let alone the increasingly poor condition of the roads.

There are too many bloody Porsches in it nowadays as well  

In fact on the Porsche front it now reminds me of Autocar from 15 years ago where they'd tested every variant of AMG but only a few cars from the whole of the, say, Ford range.
This month we've had a long feature of the first drive pf the new 911 with its turbo engine and next month they're doing a test against its rivals.
The month after Porsche will probably release a new paint colour giving them another excuse to drive the thing.

I'd prefer it to be more down to earth.
PhilD

I must be reading a different magazine to you Tim! I'd have agreed with you a few years back they have made a real effort recently to cater for all budgets.
him

^^^ Agree with Tim (as per my other thread), this is my first month since EVO began where I have no copy to read.

I cancelled my subscription last month.
Dr. Hfuhruhurr

Dan "Rhyming Slang" Prosser makes himself look a right idiot in the 570S group test. Heading up a North Wales pass in the pissing rain, in a 2wd sports car on P Zero Corsas, but doesn't slow down because he doesn't want his colleagues to think he's going soft. Hits standing water, aquaplanes, narrowly avoids totalling McLaren against rock face.
him

^^^ I am slightly ashamed to say, he is the main reason I can't read the magazine anymore.
Tim

PhilD wrote:
I must be reading a different magazine to you Tim! I'd have agreed with you a few years back they have made a real effort recently to cater for all budgets.


Nope.
What's the average cost of the car of the year group test?
What's the average cost of this months McLaren test, then add the F40 value, etc, etc

I've come to the conclusion that on the roads I usually drive on 300BHP is probably as much power as you can use on a regular basis - 400 in my M5 is plenty for a few seconds blast but you can't keep your foot down for long (partly because the roads are twisty but also because they're so poorly maintained).
Remember also that the M5 weighs nearly 2 tonnes whereas the McLaren, etc are under 1500kg but have an extra 200BHP.

An example of another reason I think they've lost the plot is that they said the Aventador had a truly dreadful driving position and the gearbox was awful in any mode other than Corsa yet they put it 4th.
A quick look through ads for used examples unsurprisingly shows them having done minimal mileage because, presumably, they're so uncomfortable and scary to drive that the owner will probably use their Range Rover/X5/Cayenne for 99.9% of journeys.

Where are the tests of £25-40k cars and, say, 6 to 10 year old stuff?
They're in there but only occasionally whereas I think they should be the main foundation of the mag.
PhilD

PhilD wrote:
simonp wrote:
Did you ever read this?

http://www.build-threads.com/tag/ferrari-f40-lm-restoration/


only just made it to part 2 (of 5!) Talk about detailed!


Finally finished, and it was an amazing read and piece of work. The Evo piece in comparison was a bit of an anti-climax.
PhilD

Tim wrote:

What's the average cost of the car of the year group test?


The one with the Peugeot 208, Honda Civic and Seat Leon in yeah?

Tim wrote:

What's the average cost of this months McLaren test, then add the F40 value, etc, etc


The Mclaren test or the the 'all weather/everyday supercar' test? I agree that a £20k supercar would be nice, where the hell are they?!

and if I'm adding the £1m+ 3 year rebuild of a legendary Ferrari cost to the average of a different article can I also add the two MX5s and the old Lancia Integrale from the fast fleet?
Tim

Sure, add them

The 3 hot hatches still don't really balance out 3 or 4 £150k+ supercars do they?

I have no objection to seeing supercars in magazines but it seems that too much of the time they're the features of the main articles.

By the time of the next Evo we'll have had the car of the year test, the 'all weather' supercar feature and then the new 911 turbo* vs rivals.






* Is the previous range topper in the 911 range going to be know as the (11 Turbo GLX/HLS from now on to differentiate it from all the other turbos in the range  
Stuntman

I generally view evo as a nice bit of escapism.  Cracking photos of cracking cars, with some nuggets of information regarding how they drive (although often you have to read between the lines).  These days I pay more attention to what Meaden and Bovingdon say; previously for me it was Barker.

I'm still very happy to suscribe and look forward to it dropping through my letterbox.  I think they do still review all performance cars across the spectrum pretty adequately.
Twelfth Monkey

Tim wrote:
Is the previous range topper in the 911 range going to be know as the (11 Turbo GLX/HLS from now on to differentiate it from all the other turbos in the range  


Word is that they've taken over the rights to Vanden Plas...
Scouse

Stuntman wrote:
I generally view evo as a nice bit of escapism.  Cracking photos of cracking cars, with some nuggets of information regarding how they drive (although often you have to read between the lines).  These days I pay more attention to what Meaden and Bovingdon say; previously for me it was Barker.

I'm still very happy to suscribe and look forward to it dropping through my letterbox.  I think they do still review all performance cars across the spectrum pretty adequately.


Agree with this.
PhilD

Stuntman wrote:
I generally view evo as a nice bit of escapism.  Cracking photos of cracking cars, with some nuggets of information regarding how they drive (although often you have to read between the lines).


If you get a Tesla it will do that for you.
Tim

I do still enjoy EVO most of the time but perhaps I'm getting old and a bit more mature (finally!) and it feels somewhat remote from what I'm interested in.

I did like the hot hatch article in Octane, maybe I've reached the classic car age

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