Twelfth Monkey
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ECOTY supplement.p32-33. Considering these are supposed to represent the best cars of their respective years, what a load of crap.
Brava/Bravo, Peugeot 307, Scorpio etc etc?
I know it's been observed beforem but being French or Italian certainly seems to increase your odds of winning.
I wonder if I was the only one who read the tagline on the front (if memory serves, 'How the Insignia won this pointless, Eurovision-style automotive sham?) and expected it to have been compiled by Cropley, and to have the sole word 'undeservedly' in very large letters on each page.
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DaveGibson
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When I opened it, I did wonder if there would be any reference to the Fiesta's narrow loss and was pleasantly surprised to find none.
Simon, did you spot the error on P. 32?
The 1975-6 winner was indeed the 'Simca 1307-08' but that was the French name for the car we knew as the Chrysler (later Talbot) Alpine not the Simca 1300 that is pictured.
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PR
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| DaveGibson wrote: | | When I opened it, I did wonder if there would be any reference to the Fiesta's narrow loss and was pleasantly surprised to find none. |
I dare say that the supplement will have been signifcantly subsidised, if not paid for entirely, by Vauxhall.
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Stuntman
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Speaks the voice of experience!
I wonder whether they also paid extra, or stipulated specifically, so that Cropley would be the journo who wrote the piece, as a delightful helping of schadenfreude.
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PR
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Hehe!
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Twelfth Monkey
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Dave, your knowledge on such matters clearly exceeds mine, so I have to say that I didn't.
I did note that Croppers' introduction ends 'it has always taken a damn good car to win it.' Conflicts with a half-informed view, not to mention a good many of the summaries on p32/3. Tsk.
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Dr. Hfuhruhurr
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| Twelfth Monkey wrote: | | I did note that Croppers' introduction ends 'it has always taken a damn good car to win it.' Conflicts with a half-informed view, not to mention a good many of the summaries on p32/3. Tsk. |
What utter nonsense - it usually takes a mediocre compromise candidate to win it, and as remarked earlier, it helps if it's French or Italian.
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DB
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Not got a lot on today, so just bought a copy to kill an hour - I have stopped buying if regularly. What a pile of proverbial.
I particularly like the photo caption 'Possibly the world's only car park where no two cars are the same' I can count 3x GLK's, 2x Accords, 2x Fiestas, 3x Deltas, 2x A4s 2x MiTos and 2x Mazda 6s.
Also has any one seen this weeks 'Will it drift?' video - WTF!!!
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Matt
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The last time there was one of these car of the year supplements in my memory was 2002 (Pug 307), so it does beg the question whether these are on a whim from the mag or as mentioned above, advertising from the winners.
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Skyhook
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| DB wrote: |
Also has any one seen this weeks 'Will it drift?' video - WTF!!! |
I saw the start of it, and that was enough. What was Sutters (and his granny) thinking?
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Twelfth Monkey
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Well, my email said this, do hate having my words buggered-about with:
ECOTY supplement, tut tut.
Steve Cropley: 'it has always taken a damn good car to win it.'
Peugeout 307? 147? Scorpio? Mk3 Golf? Not to mention several
others which your own comments suggest as less than spectacular.
Xantia nearly beats first gen Mondeo? There is not a single BMW (of
which I must stress I am no particular devotee), and no overtly
sporting car since the 928. Fair enough, maybe it's cheap, economical
and innovative that has tended to get the gong. If so, why no A2?
Nothing cleverly eco-tweaked, like a small BMW with efficient
dynamics? Maybe things have to be cheap as well. Then why nothing
Korean, I wonder. Clearly they have moved the game on in terms of
affordable motoring in recent years.
Or is it just that the whole ECOTY thing is about as valid a measure
of excellence as Eurovision is of musical talent? Lots of French cars,
and a suspicious number of Fiats. Like I say, I'm no particular fan of
BMW, but for it to be unrecognised and for Fiat to scoop eight awards
does rather suggest that ECOTY is a sham, and that Autocar might be
better served by putting some distance between it and these rather
silly awards.
It seems that Croppers' repeated insistence that the Ford Fester
should have won might actually be a result of the cronyish history of
the joke that is ECOTY. If so, in the light of this supplement, please
keep it up.
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Frank Bullitt
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Can't remember what else there was in 95/96, but to be fair the Bravo/a was a breath of fresh air when everything else in the sector (save for the 306...French then) was tedious shyte.
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BeN
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| Frank Bullitt wrote: | | Can't remember what else there was in 95/96, but to be fair the Bravo/a was a breath of fresh air when everything else in the sector (save for the 306...French then) was tedious shyte. |
The Pug 406 was runner up to the Bravo/a then. It was probably the last of the stylish Peugeot saloons.
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Nice Guy Eddie
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I love the Alfa 147 and would have put it first, though I don't know what it was up against.
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Giant
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| Twelfth Monkey wrote: | Well, my email said this, do hate having my words buggered-about with:
ECOTY supplement, tut tut.
Steve Cropley: 'it has always taken a damn good car to win it.'
Peugeout 307? 147? Scorpio? Mk3 Golf? Not to mention several
others which your own comments suggest as less than spectacular.
Xantia nearly beats first gen Mondeo? There is not a single BMW (of
which I must stress I am no particular devotee), and no overtly
sporting car since the 928. Fair enough, maybe it's cheap, economical
and innovative that has tended to get the gong. If so, why no A2?
Nothing cleverly eco-tweaked, like a small BMW with efficient
dynamics? Maybe things have to be cheap as well. Then why nothing
Korean, I wonder. Clearly they have moved the game on in terms of
affordable motoring in recent years.
Or is it just that the whole ECOTY thing is about as valid a measure
of excellence as Eurovision is of musical talent? Lots of French cars,
and a suspicious number of Fiats. Like I say, I'm no particular fan of
BMW, but for it to be unrecognised and for Fiat to scoop eight awards
does rather suggest that ECOTY is a sham, and that Autocar might be
better served by putting some distance between it and these rather
silly awards.
It seems that Croppers' repeated insistence that the Ford Fester
should have won might actually be a result of the cronyish history of
the joke that is ECOTY. If so, in the light of this supplement, please
keep it up. |
I never realised they editted the letters and emails to such an extent. The Hate Mail letters have always struck me as written with poor coherence and without reasoned argument, obviously they do that themselves to belittle the negative comments!
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Frank Bullitt
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| Giant wrote: | | I never realised they editted the letters and emails to such an extent. The Hate Mail letters have always struck me as written with poor coherence and without reasoned argument, obviously they do that themselves to belittle the negative comments! |
I've won letter of the week twic ein Autocar, both magazine versions were heavily edited.
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DaveGibson
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| Frank Bullitt wrote: | | ......... I've won letter of the week twic ein Autocar, both magazine versions were heavily edited. |
It's either that or devoting three pages to 'Letters'. Now that's a thought.
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Frank Bullitt
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| DaveGibson wrote: | | Frank Bullitt wrote: | | ......... I've won letter of the week twic ein Autocar, both magazine versions were heavily edited. |
It's either that or devoting three pages to 'Letters'. Now that's a thought. |
Wouldn't harm - picked up yesterdays mag for a scan to see if it's worth buying and there's nowt of interest in there at all.
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Gurney
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When I read Simon's letter I almost thought he had ditched the RS4 and bought an M3. Came across as a card carrying member of the Bavarian sheep brigade.
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Twelfth Monkey
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I started to read it and assumed that someone else had similar thoughts to me. Only realised it was from me when I got to the name at the end. In fairness, such significant editing doesn't seem to be the norm, though I suspect that almost everything is edited to some degree. I've had a few published over the years, and none were buggered-about with to this extent.
Still, I thought their comment was a tacit admission that we're right about ECOTY.
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Mark
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I can't see what they have actually put in the magazine and don't understand why they they needed to edit it etc, but I assume it gets your message across and at least they've published it.
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Twelfth Monkey
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Brevity!
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